Got inspired by the GC ship, so here is a liner for the rather un-economic route Rotterdam-Angusstad-Batavia.
The range might be a bit excessive but it will allow for a high speed trip between Angusstad and Batavia, a neat run of 7000nm.
Tun Fatimah, Netherlands Subsidised liner laid down 1912
Drawing will follow...
Displacement:
20 000 t light; 20 637 t standard; 30 412 t normal; 38 232 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
721,78 ft / 721,78 ft x 91,86 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
220,00 m / 220,00 m x 28,00 m x 9,00 m
Armament:
2 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99,21lbs / 45,00kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm guns in single mounts, 19,84lbs / 9,00kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 317 lbs / 144 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 67 068 shp / 50 033 Kw = 25,50 kts
Range 7 500nm at 25,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 17 594 tons
Complement:
1 150 - 1 496
Cost:
£1,109 million / $4,436 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 41 tons, 0,1 %
Machinery: 2 674 tons, 8,8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 884 tons, 25,9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 10 412 tons, 34,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 9 400 tons, 30,9 %
- 1000 cabin passengers (6t) 6000ton
- Cargo 3000 ton
- Radio 25 ton
- Anti-collision device (Radar) 25 ton
- 150 ton Refridgerated cargo 300 ton
- reserve 50 ton
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
49 827 lbs / 22 601 Kg = 483,9 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 4,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
Metacentric height 5,5 ft / 1,7 m
Roll period: 16,5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,01
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,87
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,544
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,86 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,87 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,56 ft / 9,01 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Mid (50 %): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Stern: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Average freeboard: 23,49 ft / 7,16 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64,1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175,0 %
Waterplane Area: 46 001 Square feet or 4 274 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 202 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 567 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,19
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
The freeboard seems low-ish for a liner, but she looks good otherwise. The all-cabin arrangement's probably a good choice for a route that long.
Look forward to seeing the picture...
Big,Big, Moderate speed Long endurance
Baltic Liner, BCS Liner laid down 1914
Displacement:
31.463 t light; 32.293 t standard; 41.500 t normal; 48.866 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
720,43 ft / 715,22 ft x 114,83 ft x 25,43 ft (normal load)
219,59 m / 218,00 m x 35,00 m x 7,75 m
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 3 shafts, 59.405 shp / 44.316 Kw = 22,85 kts
Range 7.500nm at 20,00 kts
Range 25.000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 16.573 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
1.453 - 1.889
Cost:
£1,850 million / $7,400 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0,0 %
Machinery: 2.517 tons, 6,1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10.946 tons, 26,4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 10.037 tons, 24,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 18.000 tons, 43,4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
71.822 lbs / 32.578 Kg = 665,0 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 5,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
Metacentric height 8,0 ft / 2,4 m
Roll period: 17,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,86
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,696
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Mid (50 %): 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Stern: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Average freeboard: 26,51 ft / 8,08 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 67,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 225,6 %
Waterplane Area: 65.567 Square feet or 6.091 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 180 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 625 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,18
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily
300 /1.Class passengers....................300x10 t.= 3000 t.
1000/2.Class passengers...................1000x08 t.= 8000 t.
1500/Steerage passengers.................1500x03 t.= 4500 t.
Total passengers .................................2800 passengers.
Cargo ...................................................1000 t.
Extra Wireless and more seaboats......1000 t.
Refrigiated Store:Equipment 150 t. Store 350 t.
Le Magnificent is now 10 years, and her replacement is designed.
Unfortunatly, pricetag of Le Magnificent and the current government aren't of the same idea, so all military specs she had are ommited, except the 2 hoists that are convertable to moint and hoist gun emplacements.
Oil firing to get rid of the black smoke that plagues Le Magnificent on high speed.
A longer, more slender hull gives a higher speed compared to power.
This eleminates the vibrations that make Le Magnificent less suitable for longer ranged high speed runs.
QuoteNormandy, France Liner laid down 1914 (Engine 1916)
Displacement:
35.315 t light; 36.218 t standard; 43.256 t normal; 48.886 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
886,31 ft / 879,27 ft x 91,86 ft x 32,32 ft (normal load)
270,15 m / 268,00 m x 28,00 m x 9,85 m
Armament:
2 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83,72lbs / 37,98kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1914 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 294 lbs / 133 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 145.102 shp / 108.246 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 9.300nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 12.669 tons
Complement:
1.499 - 1.949
Cost:
£2,576 million / $10,303 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 37 tons, 0,1%
Machinery: 5.406 tons, 12,5%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.872 tons, 27,4%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7.941 tons, 18,4%
Miscellaneous weights: 18.000 tons, 41,6%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
49.412 lbs / 22.413 Kg = 590,2 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 3,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m
Roll period: 16,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 41 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,01
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,24
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,580
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,57 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29,65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 27
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1,97 ft / 0,60 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 36,09 ft / 11,00 m
- Forecastle (20%): 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Mid (50%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Stern: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Average freeboard: 24,46 ft / 7,46 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87,0%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172,0%
Waterplane Area: 57.980 Square feet or 5.386 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 149%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 662 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,09
- Longitudinal: 0,97
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
18000tons of misc weight is:
17t / 1st class cabin passenger ......... 400 passengers = 6800tons
4.25t / 2nd class cabin passenger.........1000 passengers = 4250tons
1.78t / Steerage passenger......................2500 passengers = 4450tons
Total passengers.......................................3900 passengers = 14900tons
Cargo = 1500tons
Extras inc wireless & more seaboats = 1000tons
or
17000tons = 8500soldiers
600tons = misc cargo
400tons = more seaboats and Wireless
Now I want to see what the New Zionite steamship looks like. I'm thinking, "four circular swimming pools, two forward and two aft, with the inner ones raised up a deck level to...umm...be exclusive to the first class passengers. And really thick plating in case of icebergs."
Ledeper - quite an impressive beast, but the engine year needs to be 1912 or 1916. P3D's comments about coal versus oil probably apply to you and to Maddox.
Maddox - not enough freeboard; it ought to be 1/3 to 1/2 of beam. The low steadiness may cause sea-sickness, too...
Quote from: The Rock Doctor on August 29, 2008, 09:32:18 AM
Look forward to seeing the picture...
Working on it, I have just found out that it is quite hard to draw liners...
Indeed. Different design considerations entirely.
This better then?
The oil firing has a comfort reason, and that may cost a bit. Less smoke/soot/ashes, passengers on the deck don't like soot on the clothes.
And the trade off: the black gang or oil.
What's cheapest? a few 100 guys shoveling coal or a few pumps and more expensive fuel?
QuoteNormandy, France Liner laid down 1914 (Engine 1916)
Displacement:
35.673 t light; 36.606 t standard; 43.842 t normal; 49.630 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
886,31 ft / 879,27 ft x 91,86 ft x 28,87 ft (normal load)
270,15 m / 268,00 m x 28,00 m x 8,80 m
Armament:
4 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83,72lbs / 37,97kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1914 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1914 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 461 lbs / 209 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 151.043 shp / 112.678 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 9.300nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 13.024 tons
Complement:
1.514 - 1.969
Cost:
£2,653 million / $10,614 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 58 tons, 0,1%
Machinery: 5.628 tons, 12,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.988 tons, 27,3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8.169 tons, 18,6%
Miscellaneous weights: 18.000 tons, 41,1%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
56.961 lbs / 25.837 Kg = 680,3 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
Metacentric height 5,1 ft / 1,5 m
Roll period: 17,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,03
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,77
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,658
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,57 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29,65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1,97 ft / 0,60 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 36,09 ft / 11,00 m
- Forecastle (20%): 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Mid (50%): 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Stern: 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Average freeboard: 30,05 ft / 9,16 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87,8%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 231,6%
Waterplane Area: 62.331 Square feet or 5.791 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 148%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 620 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,00
- Longitudinal: 1,04
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
18000tons of misc weight is:
17t / 1st class cabin passenger ......... 400 passengers = 6800tons
4.25t / 2nd class cabin passenger.........1000 passengers = 4250tons
1.78t / Steerage passenger......................2500 passengers = 4450tons
Total passengers.......................................3900 passengers = 14900tons
Cargo = 1500tons
Extras inc wireless & more seaboats = 1000tons
or
17000tons = 8500soldiers
600tons = misc cargo
400tons = more seaboats and Wireless
I tend to agree with M on the fuel issue (although a few hundred easily replaced people vs still semi rare oil well idk id go oil just for reliability reasons (you can make full spd as long as you dont break somthing no people to get tierd)
Baltic Liner, BCS Liner laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)
Displacement:
30.865 t light; 31.633 t standard; 38.400 t normal; 43.813 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
720,43 ft / 715,22 ft x 114,83 ft x 25,43 ft (normal load)
219,59 m / 218,00 m x 35,00 m x 7,75 m
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 3 shafts, 59.288 shp / 44.229 Kw = 23,25 kts
Range 7.500nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 12.180 tons
Complement:
1.371 - 1.783
Cost:
£1,796 million / $7,184 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0,0 %
Machinery: 2.364 tons, 6,2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10.501 tons, 27,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7.535 tons, 19,6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 18.000 tons, 46,9 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
62.714 lbs / 28.446 Kg = 580,7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 5,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 7,5 ft / 2,3 m
Roll period: 17,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,85
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,644
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Mid (50 %): 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Stern: 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Average freeboard: 26,51 ft / 8,08 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 228,1 %
Waterplane Area: 62.547 Square feet or 5.811 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 169 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 623 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,23
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily
300 /1.Class passengers....................300x10 t.= 3000 t.
1000/2.Class passengers...................1000x08 t.= 8000 t.
1500/Steerage passengers.................1500x03 t.= 4500 t.
Total passengers .................................2800 passengers.
Cargo ...................................................1000 t.
Extra Wireless and more seaboats......1000 t.
Refrigiated Store:Equipment 150 t. Store 350 t.
25.000 nm at 12 knots:
Quote from: The Rock Doctor on August 29, 2008, 10:46:07 AM
Now I want to see what the New Zionite steamship looks like. I'm thinking, "four circular swimming pools, two forward and two aft, with the inner ones raised up a deck level to...umm...be exclusive to the first class passengers. And really thick plating in case of icebergs."
I had to reread to get the joke.
A real gem!
Borys
Tun Fatimah, Netherlands Subsidised liner laid down 1912
(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1397/linerxl9.png)
Displacement:
20 000 t light; 20 642 t standard; 30 611 t normal; 38 586 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
705,38 ft / 705,38 ft x 88,58 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
215,00 m / 215,00 m x 27,00 m x 9,00 m
Armament:
2 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99,21lbs / 45,00kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm guns in single mounts, 19,84lbs / 9,00kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 317 lbs / 144 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 70 000 shp / 52 220 Kw = 25,65 kts
Range 7 500nm at 25,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 17 945 tons
Complement:
1 156 - 1 504
Cost:
£1,125 million / $4,502 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 41 tons, 0,1 %
Machinery: 2 791 tons, 9,1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 718 tons, 25,2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 10 611 tons, 34,7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 9 450 tons, 30,9 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
51 359 lbs / 23 296 Kg = 498,7 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 4,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
Metacentric height 5,8 ft / 1,8 m
Roll period: 15,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,01
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,89
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,581
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,96 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,56 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 37
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,56 ft / 9,01 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Mid (40 %): 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Stern: 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Average freeboard: 24,39 ft / 7,43 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65,1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 177,8 %
Waterplane Area: 44 881 Square feet or 4 170 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 199 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 559 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,97
- Longitudinal: 1,25
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Some googling let me know that several liners were converted to oil firing after WWI. However, liners are large that having enough stokers should not be a problem to maintain cruising speed, and one might also expect some semi-automatization here.
For an everyday liner of 20-22kts, coal would be the best choice (and most liners are 15-22kts or even slower). A liner with 27kts cruising speed should go for oil firing, but such liners would be much more expensive to operate.
The bow and stern angles don't match the drawing.
To be honest - I think she'd look better with wider funnels - say 50% wider.
Quote from: The Rock Doctor on August 29, 2008, 06:34:12 PM
The bow and stern angles don't match the drawing.
It does, as is now visible when i included underwater portion as well.
Granted that my choice of bulbuls bows is an effect of the length restrictions on dry docks, I like clipper bows, but as using them would impose a artificial restriction on the DD they can use. So by using bulbuls bows I can get the above water clipper bow look I want, while at the same time utilise the full waterline length. :
QuoteTo be honest - I think she'd look better with wider funnels - say 50% wider.
True, she do look better that way. :)
But still not pleased with her, drawing feedback is is desperatly wanted.
Lower and wider funnels:
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/316/linerjw7.png)
I thought that bulbous bows didn't appear on ocean liners until the 1920s. ???
But besides that, there are a few things I would change with the drawing that I think would make it look much better (it's already a nice ship though). I'd go with stouter funnels, perhaps raked a tad less. RMS Lusitania's would be a good starting point. The other is the stern, without the overhang like you see on the Olympic-class and all the other liners of that time it just looks far too modern. Like what you'd see on a modern cruise ship. Maybe also not place the lifeboats in recessed davits like that. Placing them in conventional davits on the weather deck would fit in with the early 1910s much more.
Keep up the great work though, she's looking pretty good so far!