Habsburg Panzerkreuzer 1910
Displacement:
15 483 t light; 16 327 t standard; 17 740 t normal; 18 870 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
590,00 ft / 590,00 ft x 81,00 ft x 28,00 ft (normal load)
179,83 m / 179,83 m x 24,69 m x 8,53 m
Armament:
8 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
the turrets are arranged like on the von der Tann
6 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all forward
4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all aft
4 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7 827 lbs / 3 550 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 390,00 ft / 118,87 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 200,00 ft / 60,96 m 10,00 ft / 3,05 m
Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 390,00 ft / 118,87 m 11,00 ft / 3,35 m
Main Belt covers 102% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 6,00" / 152 mm 7,00" / 178 mm
2nd: 4,00" / 102 mm - -
3rd: 4,00" / 102 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 323 shp / 34 557 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 542 tons (90% coal)
Complement:
768 - 999
Cost:
£1,671 million / $6,682 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 002 tons, 5,7%
Armour: 5 282 tons, 29,8%
- Belts: 2 730 tons, 15,4%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 1 265 tons, 7,1%
- Armour Deck: 1 141 tons, 6,4%
- Conning Tower: 147 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 2 048 tons, 11,5%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 751 tons, 38,1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 256 tons, 12,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2,3%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
18 938 lbs / 8 590 Kg = 21,9 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,3 m
Roll period: 16,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,27
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0,464
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,28 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,29 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,00 ft / 8,53 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m (15,00 ft / 4,57 m aft of break)
- Mid (50%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Stern: 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Average freeboard: 17,00 ft / 5,18 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,7%
Waterplane Area: 30 843 Square feet or 2 865 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 149 lbs/sq ft or 730 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,50
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Quote from: Borys on November 21, 2007, 11:54:41 AM
Habsburg Panzerkreuzer 1910
Armament:
8 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
the raised turret is on an extension of the f'castle, a la Dreadnaught/Izmail
All on side? no fore or aft turrett?
Ahoj!
This is the convention we adopted for the "en echelon" arrangement. So the turrets are like on the Invincible, von der Tann, Espana, etc.
I should had written that, sorry.
Borys
Still only the two midships turrets, right? One fore, two midships en echelon, one aft on the low quarterdeck.
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Like so. I may be interpereting this the wrong way, if so disregard.
Ahoj!
More or less.
It is like the von der Tann.
I hope the link works:
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/battlecruiser/vondertann-line.gif
If not only a side-shot:
http://www.german-navy.de/pics/hochseeflotte/vondertann.gif
The difference is that the casematte guns are in the superstructure islands.
Borys
Quote from: Borys on November 21, 2007, 11:54:41 AM
Habsburg Panzerkreuzer 1910
Armament:
4- 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centerline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
the raised turret is on an extension of the f'castle, a la Dreadnaught/Izmail
4- 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on sides, amidships en echelon
Is this not a more acurate discription?
Maybe.
Reworked:
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1911
Displacement:
15 466 t light; 16 327 t standard; 17 740 t normal; 18 870 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
590,00 ft / 590,00 ft x 81,00 ft x 28,00 ft (normal load)
179,83 m / 179,83 m x 24,69 m x 8,53 m
Armament:
4 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
4 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
10 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7 827 lbs / 3 550 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 330,00 ft / 100,58 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 260,00 ft / 79,25 m 10,00 ft / 3,05 m
Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 330,00 ft / 100,58 m 11,00 ft / 3,35 m
Main Belt covers 86% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 7,00" / 178 mm
2nd: 10,0" / 254 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 7,00" / 178 mm
3rd: 4,00" / 102 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 323 shp / 34 557 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 542 tons (90% coal)
Complement:
768 - 999
Cost:
£1,670 million / $6,680 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 002 tons, 5,7%
Armour: 4 985 tons, 28,1%
- Belts: 2 487 tons, 14,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 1 210 tons, 6,8%
- Armour Deck: 1 141 tons, 6,4%
- Conning Tower: 147 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 2 048 tons, 11,5%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 131 tons, 40,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 274 tons, 12,8%
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,7%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19 190 lbs / 8 704 Kg = 22,2 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,4 m
Roll period: 16,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,26
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0,464
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,28 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,29 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,00 ft / 8,53 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m (15,00 ft / 4,57 m aft of break)
- Mid (50%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Stern: 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Average freeboard: 17,00 ft / 5,18 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,8%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,7%
Waterplane Area: 30 843 Square feet or 2 865 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 158 lbs/sq ft or 771 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,57
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
The link to the vdT linedrawing does not work (Forbidden blah-blah) but it is easily found on the site.
How about this? I am not sure if I picked the right location for the mid break (the average of which, looking at the vdT linedrawing is probably just behind the forward turret). This sim layout will put the forward gun on the raised forward section (without having to use the raised gun option) while the remaining main guns as well as the secondary guns are on the lower aft section of the ship.
Also made a minute change in speed which allowed for the "steady gun platform" rating while keeping the stability from dropping below 1.10. A 0.12 knot difference is nothing.
Cow Killer, Habsburg Panzerkreuzer laid down 1911
Displacement:
15,466 t light; 16,327 t standard; 17,740 t normal; 18,870 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
590.00 ft / 590.00 ft x 81.00 ft x 28.00 ft (normal load)
179.83 m / 179.83 m x 24.69 m x 8.53 m
Armament:
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850.00lbs / 385.55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850.00lbs / 385.55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all aft
10 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all aft
4 - 0.43" / 11.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.04lbs / 0.02kg shells, 1911 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7,827 lbs / 3,550 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 325.00 ft / 99.06 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: 3.00" / 76 mm 265.00 ft / 80.77 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Upper: 5.00" / 127 mm 325.00 ft / 99.06 m 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
Main Belt covers 85% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
2nd: 10.0" / 254 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
3rd: 4.00" / 102 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 45,500 shp / 33,943 Kw = 24.88 kts
Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,542 tons (90% coal)
Complement:
768 - 999
Cost:
£1.665 million / $6.660 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,002 tons, 5.7%
Armour: 5,010 tons, 28.2%
- Belts: 2,467 tons, 13.9%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Armament: 1,255 tons, 7.1%
- Armour Deck: 1,141 tons, 6.4%
- Conning Tower: 147 tons, 0.8%
Machinery: 2,011 tons, 11.3%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,142 tons, 40.3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,274 tons, 12.8%
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.7%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20,177 lbs / 9,152 Kg = 23.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 16.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.35
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.464
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.28 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.29 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Forecastle (15%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (25%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.60 ft / 4.75 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15.60 ft / 4.75 m
- Stern: 15.60 ft / 4.75 m
- Average freeboard: 17.75 ft / 5.41 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.4%
Waterplane Area: 30,843 Square feet or 2,865 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 157 lbs/sq ft or 765 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.66
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Ahoj!
Very nice Walter!
It now dawned on me that I should do something with the barbette of Anton turret. Bertha, Caesar and Dora have their barbettes hidden behind the Upper Belt. For a composite thickness of 9,5 inches. But Anton's barbette is unprotected, with a thickness of 7 inches only. A BOOM waiting to happen. I will have to work on the design a bit more.
I am aware that this ship belongs in the "eggs with hammers" category. Its mission is cruiser killing in the Med. That is why it uses the lighter 12" shells - 850 and not 1000lbs.
Borys
Quote from: Borys on November 22, 2007, 05:50:16 AM
Ahoj!
Very nice Walter!
It now dawned on me that I should do something with the barbette of Anton turret. Bertha, Caesar and Dora have their barbettes hidden behind the Upper Belt. For a composite thickness of 9,5 inches. But Anton's barbette is unprotected, with a thickness of 7 inches only. A BOOM waiting to happen. I will have to work on the design a bit more.
Borys
About the barbarettes on the wing turrets remember that while the upper belt gives good protection from fire on the side the turret is mounted on, the distance from the other upper belt creates a decent risk that a shell will pass over the upper belt and then descend enough to strike the barbarette.
The best way the counter that would be to have an irregular thickness (thicker on the side that face inwards) of the barbarettes, but unfortunately SS cannot handle that...
Other then that i think the design here are pretty solid and well balanced for their role.
Creeping towards 16000 tonnes :)
I noticed my Upper Belt is pushing the MB below the water, thus some thickening and narrowing.
12 ft MB = 6 ft above the water, right? Plus 9 UB = 15 ft?
I looked at the average freeboard, not what I actually have..
Good point, Korpen, about enemy shells hitting the "further" barbette in the "exposed portion". Fixed by making barbettes 8 inch thick - the barbettes of Bertha and Dora next to the hull are 7 inches thick, while the inboard parts are 9".
The Anton barbette problem is "fixed" - the 9 inches is now an average, with Anton having 10 inch thickness, and Caesar having 8. Due to being closer to the sides, the problem raised by Korpen is less acute for the fore/aft turrets.
I will work on the Walter made version later.
Maybe I should develop a 10,5 inch gun with 750lb shells?
Borys
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1911
Displacement:
15 716 t light; 16 583 t standard; 18 007 t normal; 19 147 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
590,00 ft / 590,00 ft x 81,00 ft x 28,00 ft (normal load)
179,83 m / 179,83 m x 24,69 m x 8,53 m
Armament:
4 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
4 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
10 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7 827 lbs / 3 550 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9,00" / 229 mm 330,00 ft / 100,58 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 260,00 ft / 79,25 m 10,00 ft / 3,05 m
Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 330,00 ft / 100,58 m 9,00 ft / 2,74 m
Main Belt covers 86% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 9,00" / 229 mm
2nd: 10,0" / 254 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 8,00" / 203 mm
3rd: 4,00" / 102 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 869 shp / 34 964 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 565 tons (90% coal)
Complement:
776 - 1 010
Cost:
£1,682 million / $6,728 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 002 tons, 5,6%
Armour: 5 146 tons, 28,6%
- Belts: 2 518 tons, 14,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 1 332 tons, 7,4%
- Armour Deck: 1 148 tons, 6,4%
- Conning Tower: 148 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 2 072 tons, 11,5%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 196 tons, 40,0%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 291 tons, 12,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,7%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19 551 lbs / 8 868 Kg = 22,6 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,3 m
Roll period: 16,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,24
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0,471
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,28 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,29 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,00 ft / 8,53 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m (15,00 ft / 4,57 m aft of break)
- Mid (50%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Stern: 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Average freeboard: 17,00 ft / 5,18 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,0%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,2%
Waterplane Area: 31 029 Square feet or 2 883 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 159 lbs/sq ft or 774 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,56
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Walterised version, with the thickened barbettes and other fine tuning.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1911
Displacement:
15 332 t light; 16 190 t standard; 17 596 t normal; 18 721 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
590,00 ft / 590,00 ft x 80,00 ft x 28,00 ft (normal load)
179,83 m / 179,83 m x 24,38 m x 8,53 m
Armament:
4 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
10 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1911 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7 827 lbs / 3 550 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 330,00 ft / 100,58 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 260,00 ft / 79,25 m 10,00 ft / 3,05 m
Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 330,00 ft / 100,58 m 9,00 ft / 2,74 m
Main Belt covers 86% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 9,00" / 229 mm
2nd: 10,0" / 254 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 8,00" / 203 mm
3rd: 4,00" / 102 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 075 shp / 34 372 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 531 tons (90% coal)
Complement:
763 - 993
Cost:
£1,664 million / $6,655 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 002 tons, 5,7%
Armour: 5 016 tons, 28,5%
- Belts: 2 339 tons, 13,3%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 1 402 tons, 8,0%
- Armour Deck: 1 129 tons, 6,4%
- Conning Tower: 146 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 2 037 tons, 11,6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 976 tons, 39,6%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 265 tons, 12,9%
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,7%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19 068 lbs / 8 649 Kg = 22,1 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 4,3 ft / 1,3 m
Roll period: 16,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,55
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,26
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0,466
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,29 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,00 ft / 8,53 m
- Forecastle (15%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m
- Mid (20%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m (15,00 ft / 4,57 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Stern: 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Average freeboard: 16,90 ft / 5,15 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118,6%
Waterplane Area: 30 514 Square feet or 2 835 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 155 lbs/sq ft or 759 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,55
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Ahoj!
And now the question is - build four of these babies, or 16 cruisers a 3,750 tonnes and 5x6"?
Or three battleships a 23,000 and 4x2x13'5"?
Borys
Go with a mix - two "VK" and eight protected cruisers. The VKs and four of the KKs can patrol along your long SLOC to South America and Aden; the other four KK can keep your battleline safe in the confines of the Med.
QuoteIts mission is cruiser killing in the Med.
Considering the title, I thought it was for killing cows (Vache is French for Cow). ;D
I agree with Rocky regarding the VK/KK mix.
While I'm no expert, I was wondering if the BC isn't a bit low...
I had the thought; increasing BC at the expense of draught probably wouldn't distort the overall design too badly.
Le Inspiration :)
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=864.msg17631#msg17631
I myself dunno about the BC ...
Borys
Yes, it is important to kill that evil cow. ;D
Higher BC, lower draught...
Cow Killer, Habsburg Panzerkreuzer laid down 1911
Displacement:
15,515 t light; 16,376 t standard; 17,801 t normal; 18,941 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
590.00 ft / 590.00 ft x 80.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
179.83 m / 179.83 m x 24.38 m x 7.32 m
Armament:
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850.00lbs / 385.55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850.00lbs / 385.55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all aft
10 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all aft
4 - 0.43" / 11.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.04lbs / 0.02kg shells, 1911 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns in single mounts, 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7,808 lbs / 3,542 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 330.00 ft / 100.58 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: 3.00" / 76 mm 260.00 ft / 79.25 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Upper: 5.00" / 127 mm 330.00 ft / 100.58 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Main Belt covers 86% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 9.00" / 229 mm
2nd: 10.0" / 254 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
3rd: 4.00" / 102 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,090 shp / 35,875 Kw = 25.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,565 tons (90% coal)
Complement:
769 - 1,001
Cost:
£1.681 million / $6.723 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,000 tons, 5.6%
Armour: 5,103 tons, 28.7%
- Belts: 2,351 tons, 13.2%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Armament: 1,386 tons, 7.8%
- Armour Deck: 1,219 tons, 6.8%
- Conning Tower: 147 tons, 0.8%
Machinery: 2,126 tons, 11.9%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,987 tons, 39.2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,286 tons, 12.8%
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.7%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20,056 lbs / 9,097 Kg = 23.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 16.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.29 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Forecastle (15%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (20%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m (15.50 ft / 4.72 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15.50 ft / 4.72 m
- Stern: 15.50 ft / 4.72 m
- Average freeboard: 17.30 ft / 5.27 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.9%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.8%
Waterplane Area: 32,940 Square feet or 3,060 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 151 lbs/sq ft or 739 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.31
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Ahoj!
Walter - I have a feeling your ship is better than mine :)
Borys
Well, I think that if you had gone for the higher BC, lowered the draught and then tweaked the design, you might have ended up with something that would almost be like this one.
It could always be based on a ACM types like Hawaii was. All turrets on the wings.
Very nice design. Have two statements
1. Regarding the "overshot" hit on the B or C turret. Shot with correct range/angle to hit the over side of the turret would most likely hit the deck at an angle which would cause skip and not penetrate to the barbette.
2. With the obvious effects of TB attacks on capital ships during the Pacific war it may be worthwhile to install a torp belt. 2.5 torp not bad, but she's a little expensive to loose to a squad of TBs, no?
Ahoj!
1 - The armoured deck is one deck lower than the weather deck. Would the teak be enough to deflect?
2 - I don't believe in TB below 20,000 tonnes. And TB would cause major changes, like thinning out the MB:
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1911
Displacement:
15 716 t light; 16 583 t standard; 18 007 t normal; 19 147 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
590,00 ft / 590,00 ft x 81,00 ft x 28,00 ft (normal load)
179,83 m / 179,83 m x 24,69 m x 8,53 m
Armament:
4 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
4 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 850,00lbs / 385,55kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
10 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7 827 lbs / 3 550 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6,00" / 152 mm 430,00 ft / 131,06 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 130,00 ft / 39,62 m 10,00 ft / 3,05 m
30,00 ft / 9,14 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 4,00" / 102 mm 330,00 ft / 100,58 m 9,00 ft / 2,74 m
Main Belt covers 112% of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,00" / 25 mm 430,00 ft / 131,06 m 40,00 ft / 12,19 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 8,00" / 203 mm
2nd: 10,0" / 254 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 7,00" / 178 mm
3rd: 4,00" / 102 mm - -
- Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 869 shp / 34 964 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 565 tons (90% coal)
Complement:
776 - 1 010
Cost:
£1,682 million / $6,728 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 002 tons, 5,6%
Armour: 5 147 tons, 28,6%
- Belts: 1 962 tons, 10,9%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 636 tons, 3,5%
- Armament: 1 252 tons, 7,0%
- Armour Deck: 1 148 tons, 6,4%
- Conning Tower: 148 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 2 072 tons, 11,5%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 195 tons, 40,0%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 291 tons, 12,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,7%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19 793 lbs / 8 978 Kg = 22,9 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
Metacentric height 4,6 ft / 1,4 m
Roll period: 15,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,24
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0,471
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,28 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,29 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,00 ft / 8,53 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m (15,00 ft / 4,57 m aft of break)
- Mid (50%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Stern: 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Average freeboard: 17,00 ft / 5,18 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111,6%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,2%
Waterplane Area: 31 029 Square feet or 2 883 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 159 lbs/sq ft or 774 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,51
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
1. No teak not deflect. I 'ass-u-me-d' armor deck was backing for top deck, not 1 deck lower
2. Could blister so less internal space taken by torp belt. Corse probably cost speed or atleast need more shp.