its one of my "Heavy Cruisers" from 2.0 was trying to sort out my SS files and found her, all in all not to bad considering i was learning to use SS at the time. thought id post it show mike the lines I was thinking along in 1905 for spain
HSMS Madrid, Spain Heavy Cruiser laid down 1905
Displacement:
15,796 t light; 17,141 t standard; 19,450 t normal; 21,297 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
475.00 ft / 475.00 ft x 85.00 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
144.78 m / 144.78 m x 25.91 m x 6.71 m
Armament:
6 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3x2 guns), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (6x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1905 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 8,037 lbs / 3,646 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 225.91 ft / 68.86 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 249.07 ft / 75.92 m 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
Upper: 6.00" / 152 mm 225.91 ft / 68.86 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 73 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 3.00" / 76 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,389 shp / 16,702 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,157 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
823 - 1,070
Cost:
£1.658 million / $6.632 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,005 tons, 5.2 %
Armour: 6,144 tons, 31.6 %
- Belts: 2,600 tons, 13.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2,046 tons, 10.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,327 tons, 6.8 %
- Conning Tower: 171 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1,866 tons, 9.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,782 tons, 34.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,654 tons, 18.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,135 lbs / 12,308 Kg = 40.8 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.766
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.59 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.42 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forecastle (26 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (26 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Stern: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 18.10 ft / 5.52 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.4 %
Waterplane Area: 35,856 Square feet or 3,331 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 149 lbs/sq ft or 729 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.56
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Lower the caliber of the 12 secundaries to 5 -6" in single deck mount and hoist weatherproof armored protection and put 20 on her. A few tertiaries with anti airship capability would be nice. (evenly distributed, sides)
Reduce main belt to 10" and end armor to 4"
Reduce range to 6000Nm @ 10 kts
Use all the extra weight for more speed.
If you want more gain in speed. 1.5" deck armor, evenly distributed, non superfiring main guns
Don't forget the .5% misc weight.
the irony of it was that by the time I got everything figured out for spain 2.0 had broken down, and I had no idea what had happend. Went to class everything was fine came home and the forums had bene formated, and there was a post from some guy about the return of the admin. In all honesty she would have bene a BB in 2.0 but I had some obsesion with calling everything a heavy cruiser, that was the big one I have a smaller one to it was HSMS Guam which truely would have bene a cruiser.
Took me like 6 months to figure out where everyone went when 2.0 melted down LOL, then i wonderd for like a month why noone had told me what was going on and invited me here =P
Im actualy tempted to work somthing like her up for my curent tech, ill have to play around with it later. I have way more hp per shaft and shafts available than i did in 2.0
Reworked for what I know now, and with my 1909 tech
HSMS Madrid, Spain Heavy Cruiser laid down 1909
Displacement:
14,040 t light; 15,134 t standard; 16,000 t normal; 16,693 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
510.00 ft / 510.00 ft x 85.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
155.45 m / 155.45 m x 25.91 m x 7.92 m
Armament:
6 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3x2 guns), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
20 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 10 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
40 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (20x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 5,467 lbs / 2,480 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 240
2 - 20.0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 289.07 ft / 88.11 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 220.91 ft / 67.33 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Upper: 4.00" / 102 mm 289.07 ft / 88.11 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 47,450 shp / 35,398 Kw = 25.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,559 tons (50% coal)
Complement:
710 - 924
Cost:
£1.382 million / $5.527 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 683 tons, 4.3 %
Armour: 4,788 tons, 29.9 %
- Belts: 2,379 tons, 14.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,193 tons, 7.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,066 tons, 6.7 %
- Conning Tower: 150 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,260 tons, 14.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,809 tons, 36.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,960 tons, 12.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 3.1 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
18,862 lbs / 8,556 Kg = 28.3 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.13
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.497
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.58 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forecastle (22 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (50 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (22 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Stern: 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 18.37 ft / 5.60 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142.9 %
Waterplane Area: 28,801 Square feet or 2,676 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 693 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.83
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Frenchified answer.
QuoteDisplacement:
14.271 t light; 15.006 t standard; 16.032 t normal; 16.853 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
514,00 ft / 510,00 ft x 90,00 ft x 25,00 ft (normal load)
156,67 m / 155,45 m x 27,43 m x 7,62 m
Armament:
6 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (3x2 guns), 661,39lbs / 300,00kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward
20 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 6 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5.864 lbs / 2.660 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 120
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 331,50 ft / 101,04 m 11,38 ft / 3,47 m
Ends: 4,00" / 102 mm 178,48 ft / 54,40 m 11,38 ft / 3,47 m
Upper: 4,00" / 102 mm 331,50 ft / 101,04 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,00" / 25 mm 420,00 ft / 128,02 m 26,00 ft / 7,92 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 6,00" / 152 mm 10,0" / 254 mm
2nd: 2,00" / 51 mm 1,00" / 25 mm 1,00" / 25 mm
- Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 47.793 shp / 35.653 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 6.000nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.847 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
712 - 926
Cost:
£1,414 million / $5,657 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 691 tons, 4,3%
Armour: 4.899 tons, 30,6%
- Belts: 2.422 tons, 15,1%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 404 tons, 2,5%
- Armament: 1.095 tons, 6,8%
- Armour Deck: 840 tons, 5,2%
- Conning Tower: 137 tons, 0,9%
Machinery: 2.390 tons, 14,9%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6.042 tons, 37,7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.761 tons, 11,0%
Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 1,6%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19.708 lbs / 8.939 Kg = 31,1 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 3,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
Metacentric height 5,2 ft / 1,6 m
Roll period: 16,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,10
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,489
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22,58 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4,00 ft / 1,22 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,00 ft / 8,53 m
- Forecastle (20%): 20,00 ft / 6,10 m
- Mid (50%): 18,00 ft / 5,49 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Stern: 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Average freeboard: 18,37 ft / 5,60 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,0%
Waterplane Area: 30.280 Square feet or 2.813 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 709 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,94
- Longitudinal: 1,78
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
LOL i gave it 240 shells per main gun... that thing would shoot forever
You'll notice the French 275mm's have 300 kg shells, effectively only 1 kg less than your 11" shell.
Also, the 140mm guns have 42 kg shells.
This makes that the French ship, even having less salvoes - 240 shots for every barrel is about 2/5th to much, even for more modern guns- putting out a heavier broadside.
And, Imagine the barrelwear after 150 shells trough a 100 shot barrel....
Its not all that different from the my last class of BB's. Of course I didn't build those... Its a nice semi dreadnought over all.
Michael