Ahoj!
Any good?
Borys
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909
Displacement:
7 513 t light; 7 875 t standard; 9 287 t normal; 10 418 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
450,00 ft / 450,00 ft x 63,00 ft x 21,00 ft (normal load)
137,16 m / 137,16 m x 19,20 m x 6,40 m
Armament:
4 - 8,00" / 203 mm guns (2x2 guns), 250,00lbs / 113,40kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
6 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 945 lbs / 882 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6,00" / 152 mm 270,00 ft / 82,30 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 180,00 ft / 54,86 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Main Belt covers 92% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 7,00" / 178 mm
2nd: 4,00" / 102 mm 4,00" / 102 mm 1,00" / 25 mm
- Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 35 619 shp / 26 572 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 543 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
472 - 614
Cost:
£0,719 million / $2,876 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 246 tons, 2,7%
Armour: 2 174 tons, 23,4%
- Belts: 1 092 tons, 11,8%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 459 tons, 4,9%
- Armour Deck: 547 tons, 5,9%
- Conning Tower: 76 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 1 781 tons, 19,2%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 062 tons, 33,0%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 775 tons, 19,1%
Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 2,7%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11 904 lbs / 5 400 Kg = 46,5 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
Metacentric height 3,5 ft / 1,1 m
Roll period: 14,1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,35
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,25
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0,546
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21,21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26,00 ft / 7,92 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m
- Mid (50%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m (15,06 ft / 4,59 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15,06 ft / 4,59 m
- Stern: 15,06 ft / 4,59 m
- Average freeboard: 19,27 ft / 5,87 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90,9%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148,9%
Waterplane Area: 19 711 Square feet or 1 831 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 100 lbs/sq ft or 488 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,93
- Longitudinal: 1,92
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Other than the armament, I like her. I don't see the virtues of mixing 6" and 8", though, especially, if she's going to be out in the North Atlantic with all that crappy weather. Can you replace the six-inchers with a third 8" turret instead?
Quote from: Borys on October 28, 2007, 11:58:09 AM
Ahoj!
Any good?
Borys
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909
Displacement:
7 513 t light; 7 875 t standard; 9 287 t normal; 10 418 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
450,00 ft / 450,00 ft x 63,00 ft x 21,00 ft (normal load)
137,16 m / 137,16 m x 19,20 m x 6,40 m
Armament:
4 - 8,00" / 203 mm guns (2x2 guns), 250,00lbs / 113,40kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
6 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 945 lbs / 882 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6,00" / 152 mm 270,00 ft / 82,30 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 180,00 ft / 54,86 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Main Belt covers 92% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 7,00" / 178 mm
2nd: 4,00" / 102 mm 4,00" / 102 mm 1,00" / 25 mm
- Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 35 619 shp / 26 572 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 543 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
472 - 614
Cost:
£0,719 million / $2,876 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 246 tons, 2,7%
Armour: 2 174 tons, 23,4%
- Belts: 1 092 tons, 11,8%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 459 tons, 4,9%
- Armour Deck: 547 tons, 5,9%
- Conning Tower: 76 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 1 781 tons, 19,2%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 062 tons, 33,0%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 775 tons, 19,1%
Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 2,7
I quite like her. :)
But I agree with rocky to some extent, I question the worth of the 15cm guns on her, just 4 guns per side is note really quite enogh imo. But I think she would be top-notch with 12 12cm guns instead, they got enough range and power to be of use against enemy light cruisers, a rof high enough to be good against enemy DDs, and a weight low enough so that you can get 50% more of them then you could get 15cm guns. :)
Korpen wants the 6" replaced with more 4.7", and I want them replaced with two 8". Borys can't win!
Ahoj!
This is something I ran out when foolling around with the 1899 County class. To see if I could suggest somethign useful to Ledper.
The sweet side of 6 inchers versus 8 inchers is double or triple the ROF.
I still am not convinced about the utility of "hail of fire" of 60 lbs shells from 4,7-5 inch weapons. I prefer 100lbs shells, with their not much lower ROF.
I suppose the 3 inchers can be dumped, maybe leaving only two.
Tweaking the design a bit, 2 or 4 extra 6 inchers should be possible. ATM the guns are in weather deck casemattes. The extras could be added on an upper deck, in open mounts.
If somebody would prefer it this way, the twin 8 inchers with their 250lbs shells could be swapped for a single 10 incher, a 500 pounder.
ADDED LATER:
:)
Borys is headstrong and will plop more 6 inchers on her :D
Borys
Quote from: Borys on October 28, 2007, 12:43:04 PM
Borys is headstrong and will plop more 6 inchers on her :D
Borys
Well, the main problem Ihad with the 15cm guns was that there were too few of them, if you give her a broadside of at least six 15cm guns I think they will work out nicely.
Ahoj!
For this class, intended to operate out of Reykiavik or Thorhavn, encountering anything smaller than a cruiser (2500/3000 tonnes and larger) is unlikely. Thus not so many smaller guns. This time I went for my fantasy modified County class.
Borys
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909
Displacement:
7 558 t light; 7 915 t standard; 9 331 t normal; 10 464 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
450,00 ft / 450,00 ft x 64,00 ft x 21,00 ft (normal load)
137,16 m / 137,16 m x 19,51 m x 6,40 m
Armament:
6 - 7,50" / 191 mm guns in single mounts, 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 627 lbs / 738 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 180
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6,00" / 152 mm 260,00 ft / 79,25 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 190,00 ft / 57,91 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Main Belt covers 89% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7,00" / 178 mm 4,00" / 102 mm 6,00" / 152 mm
2nd: 1,00" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 35 712 shp / 26 641 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 549 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
474 - 617
Cost:
£0,696 million / $2,782 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 216 tons, 2,3%
Armour: 2 212 tons, 23,7%
- Belts: 1 082 tons, 11,6%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 501 tons, 5,4%
- Armour Deck: 553 tons, 5,9%
- Conning Tower: 76 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 1 786 tons, 19,1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 095 tons, 33,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 773 tons, 19,0%
Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 2,7%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
12 391 lbs / 5 621 Kg = 58,7 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
Roll period: 14,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,35
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,26
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,540
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,03 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21,21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,00 ft / 8,53 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m
- Mid (25%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Stern: 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Average freeboard: 19,80 ft / 6,04 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154,5%
Waterplane Area: 19 912 Square feet or 1 850 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 100 lbs/sq ft or 488 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,93
- Longitudinal: 1,92
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
lol Borys that looks startlingly similar to my 1909 class scout cruiser... Now get her to go fast ^.^
Quote from: Borys on October 28, 2007, 12:52:32 PM
Armament:
6 - 7,50" / 191 mm guns in single mounts, 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 627 lbs / 738 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 180
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Main guns in single mounts?
And too few secondaries!
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/armoured-cruiser/hms-devonshire.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devonshire_class_cruiser_%281903%29
I took this class to its logical conlusion - the first batch (Monmouth) had 6 inch twins at the ends, the 2nd batch had the end turrets replaced with single 7,5 inchers. Such single turrets also replaced the front two-storey 6 inch casemattes. So here I repalced the aft storied casemattes too.
The line drawings will explain everything.
Borys
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909
Displacement:
7 558 t light; 7 915 t standard; 9 331 t normal; 10 464 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
450,00 ft / 450,00 ft x 64,00 ft x 21,00 ft (normal load)
137,16 m / 137,16 m x 19,51 m x 6,40 m
Armament:
6 - 7,50" / 191 mm guns in single mounts, 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 627 lbs / 738 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 180
4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6,00" / 152 mm 260,00 ft / 79,25 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 190,00 ft / 57,91 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
Main Belt covers 89% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7,00" / 178 mm 4,00" / 102 mm 6,00" / 152 mm
2nd: 1,00" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 35 712 shp / 26 641 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 549 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
474 - 617
Cost:
£0,696 million / $2,782 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 216 tons, 2,3%
Armour: 2 212 tons, 23,7%
- Belts: 1 082 tons, 11,6%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 501 tons, 5,4%
- Armour Deck: 553 tons, 5,9%
- Conning Tower: 76 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 1 786 tons, 19,1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 095 tons, 33,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 773 tons, 19,0%
Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 2,7%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
12 391 lbs / 5 621 Kg = 58,7 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
Roll period: 14,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,35
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,26
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,540
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,03 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21,21 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28,00 ft / 8,53 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m
- Mid (25%): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Stern: 15,00 ft / 4,57 m
- Average freeboard: 19,80 ft / 6,04 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154,5%
Waterplane Area: 19 912 Square feet or 1 850 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 100 lbs/sq ft or 488 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,93
- Longitudinal: 1,92
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
It´s nice I like it ,very suitable ;)
Ahoj!
Happy that you like it.
Check existing Baltikum designs for 7,5 inch gun. If none - devlope the gun or buy license from me :)
Borys
For giggles: an alternative, I suppose, to the colonial cruiser I posted a little while back. I'd want to sketch it out to be sure it all fits - but if it does, the notion of getting this into a class one slip/drydock is appealing for logistical reasons.
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909
Displacement:
6,339 t light; 6,626 t standard; 7,624 t normal; 8,422 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 59.06 ft x 20.87 ft (normal load)
120.00 m / 120.00 m x 18.00 m x 6.36 m
Armament:
6 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (3x2 guns), 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
1 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading gun in deck mount
on centreline aft, 1 raised gun
6 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,557 lbs / 706 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 17.7" / 450 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.12" / 130 mm 255.91 ft / 78.00 m 10.50 ft / 3.20 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 137.76 ft / 41.99 m 10.50 ft / 3.20 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.12" / 130 mm 2.95" / 75 mm 5.12" / 130 mm
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 5.12" / 130 mm
Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 36,000 shp / 26,856 Kw = 25.37 kts
Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,795 tons)
Complement:
407 - 530
Cost:
£0.635 million / $2.539 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 195 tons, 2.6 %
Armour: 1,563 tons, 20.5 %
- Belts: 702 tons, 9.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 345 tons, 4.5 %
- Armour Deck: 473 tons, 6.2 %
- Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 1,782 tons, 23.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,646 tons, 34.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,285 tons, 16.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 154 tons, 2.0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9,303 lbs / 4,220 Kg = 41.8 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.14
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.98 ft / 6.70 m
- Mid (75 %): 21.98 ft / 6.70 m (14.11 ft / 4.30 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
- Stern: 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
- Average freeboard: 20.35 ft / 6.20 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.4 %
Waterplane Area: 16,226 Square feet or 1,507 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 100 lbs/sq ft or 486 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.89
- Longitudinal: 2.80
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ahoj!
Rock - IMO a bit too lightly armoured, and the seakeeping is nothing exceptional.
Borys
Quote from: Borys on October 29, 2007, 07:27:57 AM
Ahoj!
Rock - IMO a bit too lightly armoured, and the seakeeping is nothing exceptional.
Borys
But she got a nice high freeboard, so she should work pretty well in high seas.
Ahoj!
It's the lowered quarteredeck which is the problem.
Borys
It's just a foot lower than the quarterdeck on the Hapsburger design.
*Grumbles*
Ahoj!
Dug up an old design, tinkered a bit ...
The ultimate fishing patrol boat?
SMS Szekler, Austria-Hungary Fast Cruiser laid down 1909
Displacement:
3 719 t light; 3 868 t standard; 4 822 t normal; 5 585 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
394,08 ft / 393,70 ft x 42,65 ft x 18,04 ft (normal load)
120,12 m / 120,00 m x 13,00 m x 5,50 m
Armament:
4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1909 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1909 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 1909 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 454 lbs / 206 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
8 - 19,7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,00" / 76 mm 280,00 ft / 85,34 m 13,00 ft / 3,96 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 109% of normal length
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,00" / 25 mm - -
- Armour deck: 0,98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 0,98" / 25 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 28 527 shp / 21 281 Kw = 26,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 717 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
289 - 376
Cost:
£0,381 million / $1,524 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 61 tons, 1,3%
Armour: 687 tons, 14,3%
- Belts: 452 tons, 9,4%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 14 tons, 0,3%
- Armour Deck: 215 tons, 4,5%
- Conning Tower: 6 tons, 0,1%
Machinery: 1 426 tons, 29,6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 505 tons, 31,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 103 tons, 22,9%
Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 0,8%
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
5 304 lbs / 2 406 Kg = 49,1 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,35
Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m
Roll period: 11,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,30
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,53
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0,557
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 1,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21,82 ft / 6,65 m
- Forecastle (25%): 21,10 ft / 6,43 m
- Mid (50%): 21,10 ft / 6,43 m (13,88 ft / 4,23 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Stern: 13,88 ft / 4,23 m
- Average freeboard: 17,56 ft / 5,35 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93,4%
Waterplane Area: 11 796 Square feet or 1 096 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 67 lbs/sq ft or 327 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,90
- Longitudinal: 2,62
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
Handy, so long as you don't need to push around the various 8" armed cruisers poking around the Atlantic. I like that she can fit into a Type 1 dock.
Not sure I'd want that much seakeeping - even in the Atlantic - but to each their own.
Ahoj!
The lenght was chosen on purpose :)
And I cheerfuly admit that she is undergunned :)
Borys