If we had construction planned for 1905 is it grandfathered?
Oh and can only of the Mods put some child boards for Army, Navy, Palace & Encylopedia in the UNK area.
Actually, come to think about it, with permission I'd like to lay 2 of these down in 1905, it is an old design with modifications to fit in with the turbine tech
HMS Dreadnought Class, United Kingdom Battleship laid down 1905 (Engine 1909)
Displacement:
18,814 t light; 19,869 t standard; 22,604 t normal; 24,793 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
556.58 ft / 552.00 ft x 75.00 ft (Bulges 90.00 ft) x 24.50 ft (normal load)
169.65 m / 168.25 m x 22.86 m (Bulges 27.43 m) x 7.47 m
Armament:
8 - 13.39" / 340 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,250.00lbs / 566.99kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all forward
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
6 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all aft
16 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1905 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
24 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (12x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1905 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11,729 lbs / 5,320 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 90
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: 3.00" / 76 mm 162.00 ft / 49.38 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Upper: 5.00" / 127 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.50" / 38 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 9.00" / 229 mm 10.0" / 254 mm
2nd: 5.00" / 127 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 5.00" / 127 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm
Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 30,826 shp / 22,996 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 8,825nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,924 tons (100% coal)
Complement:
921 - 1,198
Cost:
£2.063 million / $8.253 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,415 tons, 6.3 %
Armour: 8,052 tons, 35.6 %
- Belts: 3,266 tons, 14.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 519 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 2,299 tons, 10.2 %
- Armour Deck: 1,760 tons, 7.8 %
- Conning Tower: 207 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1,541 tons, 6.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,730 tons, 34.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,790 tons, 16.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.3 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
28,034 lbs / 12,716 Kg = 23.4 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 18.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.31
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.650
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.13 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (30 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (10 %): 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 17.25 ft / 5.26 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.9 %
Waterplane Area: 31,715 Square feet or 2,946 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 797 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.24
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
HAMS Dreadnought, St Vincent & Orion
I would like to grandfather my two planned ACs, (lay down date: 1906, 1908) plus NSS United States. Otherwise Im OK.
2 of these BB's will be the only construction in 1905, and will still need $4 each to finish in 1906
Ahoj!
As per my budget on the old board, I was panned to lay my experimental 50% oil fired vessel and two colonial avisos. Later in the year something for the Danube, and maybe a fleet tender.
Borys
Ship construction cost (the $ one) must be paid when the ship is laid down. Thir represents naval laws and budgets setting money aside for the construction, companies sarting to manufacture armor plates and guns, and such.
Should we finish construction of 1905 ships per the old rules? and lay down new ships with the new rules in 1906?
I'd prefer that ships for 1905 conform with the new tech tables. Otherwise, we end up with even more non-conforming ships than we already have.
Since I didn't quite last long enough to plan 1905 shopping, I shall do so now.
Ahoj!
Good idea Rock.
Back to the drawing board for me ...
Borys
My suggestions for 1905 construction
Everyone can use half his total HBP for constrution to keep thing simple- so twice the HBP value for the whole year.
First, this must be spent on finishing existing ships. Even if those ships won't be finished in 1905.
Any remaining HBP can be spent on ships of classes already laid down in 1904, spending the maxmum amount of possible on each ship.
Ok, both will need 6HBP each to finish in 1906
Ahoj!
I have noi carried over construction. Can I start something new - following new guidelines - in 1905?
Borys
I will have completed four protected cruisers, two transports, and 6 river gunboats for the Tigris + Euphrates.
Edit: Considering that I would have finished all of this by the end of 1904, I'm still not sure what I will do with 1905. Possibly a capital unit.
Quote from: Borys on March 14, 2007, 02:00:42 AM
Ahoj!
I have noi carried over construction. Can I start something new - following new guidelines - in 1905?
Borys
If you do not want to use any older models, I'd guess you could.
Revision from me, Dreadnought will be the only new ship design from the UKA in 1905, all other construction, being the finishing of old build programs including the Quebec and Fluerus Class Escort groups, and the Dido class Cruisers.
Basically I see Rohan finishing the destroyers laid down in 1904, the rebuilds of all the ex-confederate cruisers, the completion of the Brandenburgian armored cruiser, and the completion of the two new belted cruisers (all laid down in or before 1904).
The only ship still under construction as 1906 starts is Walda, Battleship of the Mark. She's have roughly 10,000 tons left to completion.
The rest of Rohan's resources were into factory construction (new medium factories and a new heavy factory)....and trying to track down Mr. Mars.
Guys - clarification on the tech issue, please. I think it is a bad idea to allow construction of new ships in 1905 that weren't started in 1904 and won't be possible in 1906.
My intention is to build a river monitor, begin a belted cruiser, and lay down two battleships, all of which will conform to my 1906 starting tech.
Quite.
Significately Rohan doesn't have the funds in 1905 to lay down any new ships, just complete the construction plans from 1903 and 1904.