A Game Idea...

Started by miketr, April 19, 2007, 02:02:01 PM

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miketr

April 19, 2007, 02:02:01 PM
I am giving thought to working on exploration game using an earth map with Napoleonic tech level.  Wondering what people think of such an idea and what type of elements would people like to see in such a project.  Wouldn't start till summer, no time now.

Michael

Carthaginian

#1
April 19, 2007, 02:58:24 PM
I like that idea. It would give the opportunity for more military campaigns than N-verse Mk.II, given that there would still be plenty of 'heathen savages' to conquer.

Would you be SS'ing the ships?
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miketr

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April 19, 2007, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: Carthaginian on April 19, 2007, 02:58:24 PM
I like that idea. It would give the opportunity for more military campaigns than N-verse Mk.II, given that there would still be plenty of 'heathen savages' to conquer.

Most of the map would be just that, with open land waiting to be taken.  Now there would be more wars but at the same time wars are limited, no railroads, heavy industry, and with few exceptions countries are just moving past the Ancien Régime setup to nationalism, people will fight harder for France and than for Louis XVI.

Also this would be a non historic setup, people would pick spots / provinces and move from there.  So I would expect there to be a scamble to grab any untaken parts of Europe that don't go into reserve and the scrable to spread out from there.

Quote from: Carthaginian on April 19, 2007, 02:58:24 PM
Would you be SS'ing the ships?

Napoleonic tech level  You would have your ship rights run up a 74 SoL or a 32 gun 5th rate frigate.  No SS for a very long period of time.  Odds are outside the time frame of the game.

Michael

Ithekro

#3
April 19, 2007, 03:20:20 PM
Can't really SS ships from that era as SS only can handle ships back to 1850.  Unless SS3 has the ability to do sailing vessels.

I sort of wanted to shift Navalism into an exploration sim, but that was back when the whole concept was being reworked from 1915 Great War sim to the 1898 predreadnought sim it is now.  But that was to require a larger planet to explore using predreadnought, steam, or ironclad type SS vessels.

A Napolionic era exploration sim might be interesting, considering most of the planet's coasts were explored by that time...but in a world were no one bothered to sail west across the Atlantic, nor East over the Pacific?...hmmmm.

Carthaginian

#4
April 19, 2007, 03:24:13 PM
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Napoleonic tech level  You would have your ship rights run up a 74 SoL or a 32 gun 5th rate frigate.  No SS for a very long period of time.  Odds are outside the time frame of the game.

Michael

OK... didn't know whether you were going to intro it when ironclad tech was available. Should have been a bit more specific. Use historical ships as references in the beginning, huh? Tech advance as normal would definitely keep SS out of it.

Quote from: Ithekro on April 19, 2007, 03:20:20 PM
Can't really SS ships from that era as SS only can handle ships back to 1850.  Unless SS3 has the ability to do sailing vessels.

Nope. SS3 is just the same ironclads-battleships sim as SS2.
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

P3D

#5
April 19, 2007, 04:06:23 PM
Play Victoria in MP.
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miketr

#6
April 19, 2007, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: P³D on April 19, 2007, 04:06:23 PM
Play Victoria in MP.

Its map yes... but no Viki is not one of Paradox's better efforts.  Besides the time frame is 1820's on and I would be thinking tech type of 1780's and it would be a level start.  Everyone has while not the same the same set of choices for startup and things go from there.

Michael

miketr

#7
April 19, 2007, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: Ithekro on April 19, 2007, 03:20:20 PM
A Napolionic era exploration sim might be interesting, considering most of the planet's coasts were explored by that time...but in a world were no one bothered to sail west across the Atlantic, nor East over the Pacific?...hmmmm.

Yes sorta...

Michael

Walter

#8
April 19, 2007, 04:31:58 PM
Hmmm...  might be time for me to look for more info on the Korean Kobukson and the Japanese Tekkousen and work on some sort of evolution of those ships. ;D

Ithekro

#9
April 19, 2007, 04:37:39 PM
Well we do have that Navalism 3 board that is currently unused.

Might be interesting if we kept some of the navalism player nation but reset thing so we are starting with core areas rather than with colonies.  Might be fun to have Rohan, Inca, and the Anahuac more or less alone in the Americas, with maybe some form of Federation of nations in the east without the Europeans...but then what's left to explore...or perhaps it is still land grabbing, just with more interesting first contacts and heavier resistance to invasion?  (I'm kind of shooting in the dark here).

miketr

#10
April 19, 2007, 05:14:15 PM
Un historic nations would be a given but unhistoric general geography would be out.  I don't want to deal with map creation if I don't have to; KISS.

The theme of the game would be conquest of paradise.  Outside of the core (Europe & Mediterranean & Near Asia) its open season on the rest of the planet.  At start I would not see players in N & S America or rather as nothing more than speed bumps.  Part of the reason is theme and realism (I know this is a game setup but give me a sec) any nation in N & S America would have a crushing logistical advantage over outsiders, odds are an impossible to overcome one in the context of late 18th / early 19th century tech.

The above said there is some level of appeal to the idea of the low tech nation attemps at westernization.  Something to think about.

Michael 

Desertfox

#11
April 21, 2007, 08:57:03 PM
Sounds interesting, love those big 44 gun frigates.

For N & S America maybe revolution? The US was started around that time.
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miketr

#12
April 22, 2007, 12:17:31 PM
Long term that could be done, N & S America and Sub-Saharan Africa would be in effect empty; nothing above bronze age in tech level.  Far East would be organized states but no industial revolution.

One thing to keep in mind about the European tool kit of 1800 there is nothing in that couldn't be copied by a skilled person.

Michael

Phoenix

#13
April 25, 2007, 10:20:31 AM Last Edit: April 25, 2007, 10:23:54 AM by Phoenix
It could be fun to play that mysterious nation in the far East where a certain Kublai Khan used to rule.
What would the Napoleonites do when they encounter Zheng He's 9-master junks ?
(In real-verse the Chinese stopped building those in the 15th Century, but what if they "rediscovered" them in the 18th Century ?)
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Walter

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April 25, 2007, 10:31:16 AM
QuoteWhat would the Napoleonites do when they encounter Zheng He's 9-master junks ?
(In real-verse the Chinese stopped building those in the 15th Century, but what if they "rediscovered" them in the 18th Century ?)
... well, in that area, you also had the Kobukson and the Tekkousen as well.
... so if those two types of ships evolve as well, you get Kobukson + Tekkousen + 9-master junks = really, really nasty ships!!
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