New Zion Battlecruiser?

[Desertfox]

Quick and dirty design. The ship would be designed in NS but built in New Zion. If it was built. What does New Zion have in terms of infrastructure?


Jerusalem, New Zion Battle Cruiser laid down 1906 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   12,621 t light; 13,347 t standard; 14,025 t normal; 14,568 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   551.84 ft / 550.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 25.50 ft (normal load)
   168.20 m / 167.64 m x 21.34 m  x 7.77 m

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (4x2 guns), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6,460 lbs / 2,930 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   8 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   320.00 ft / 97.54 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   230.00 ft / 70.10 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   320.00 ft / 97.54 m   5.00 ft / 1.52 m
     Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 35,235 shp / 26,285 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 5,700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,221 tons

Complement:
   643 - 837

Cost:
   £1.344 million / $5.377 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 807 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 4,402 tons, 31.4 %
      - Belts: 2,010 tons, 14.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,393 tons, 9.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 949 tons, 6.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 50 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,602 tons, 11.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,710 tons, 40.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,404 tons, 10.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,569 lbs / 7,515 Kg = 24.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 16.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.86
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.32 ft / 5.28 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,652 Square feet or 2,383 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 711 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[swamphen]

Should this be laid down in New Zion, the Reich might decide to take pre-emptive action.

(210mm shells + dockyard = Ship-shattering Ka-Booms)

8)

[Ithekro]

I would think they would have a more defensive minded fleet, probably with relatively showllow draft depending on how deep that rift is in Africa.

[Borys]

I would think they would have a more defensive minded fleet, probably with relatively showllow draft depending on how deep that rift is in Africa.

Bottomless.
Borys

[P3D]

I do not think Zion has mcuh heavy industry. It is probably limited to lvl-0/1 drydocks to repair ships purchased abroad, and a fraction of BP.

[Desertfox]

Not if NS can convince them that they NEED this ship! ;D Swampy, Im just going to have to convinve them to lay down this ship. That way no one will complain when I pre-empt that Firajistan Super Cruiser...

Updated version with an extra knot and Caliph Guns.

Jerusalem, New Zion (Swiss designed) Battle Cruiser laid down 1906 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   12,404 t light; 13,108 t standard; 13,779 t normal; 14,316 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   552.19 ft / 550.00 ft x 71.00 ft x 24.70 ft (normal load)
   168.31 m / 167.64 m x 21.64 m  x 7.53 m

Armament:
      8 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (4x2 guns), 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,972 lbs / 2,255 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   250.00 ft / 76.20 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   310.00 ft / 94.49 m   5.00 ft / 1.52 m
     Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,881 shp / 30,497 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 5,700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,207 tons

Complement:
   635 - 826

Cost:
   £1.216 million / $4.865 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 622 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 4,530 tons, 32.9 %
      - Belts: 1,966 tons, 14.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,299 tons, 9.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,203 tons, 8.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 62 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,858 tons, 13.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,324 tons, 38.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,376 tons, 10.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,333 lbs / 7,862 Kg = 34.7 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.64 ft / 5.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,018 Square feet or 2,417 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 661 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.46
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Alikchi]

I like the new version.. seems cheap but speedy.

[Desertfox]

I do not think Zion has mcuh heavy industry. It is probably limited to lvl-0/1 drydocks to repair ships purchased abroad, and a fraction of BP.

Shouldnt we keep it as a Potential Player Nation? I would think 3 BPs, and say between $50-70 should be adequate. Allows some shipbuilding but not too much.


A smaller, cheaper, less threatning version. This is a prestige project, nothing more.

Jerusalem, New Zion (Swiss designed) Battle Cruiser laid down 1906 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   9,900 t light; 10,465 t standard; 11,055 t normal; 11,527 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   552.19 ft / 550.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 20.10 ft (normal load)
   168.31 m / 167.64 m x 21.34 m  x 6.13 m

Armament:
      6 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (3x2 guns), 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 3,972 lbs / 1,802 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 149
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   305.00 ft / 92.96 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   245.00 ft / 74.68 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   305.00 ft / 92.96 m   5.00 ft / 1.52 m
     Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 35,827 shp / 26,727 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 5,700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,062 tons

Complement:
   538 - 700

Cost:
   £0.992 million / $3.966 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 497 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 3,013 tons, 27.3 %
      - Belts: 1,287 tons, 11.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 734 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 949 tons, 8.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,629 tons, 14.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,622 tons, 41.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,155 tons, 10.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,787 lbs / 6,707 Kg = 29.6 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.29

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.64 ft / 5.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 146.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,652 Square feet or 2,383 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 608 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.31
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Ithekro]

Well the truth seem to be that they themselves can't build it...but the Swiss can build it for them using Swiss BP but Zion funds.  (With only 1,000 tons produced a year it would take a very long time for Zion to build any of these ships.)

[The Rock Doctor]

If Firanj and New Zion are to be player nations, why are you guys designing navies for them?

[Borys]

Ahoj!
They have nothing else to sim, so they are designing proxy navies.
And for the time being we are undermanned, with no prospective players for those countires on the horison.
Borys

[The Rock Doctor]

If that's the case, I'd rather see the moderators sponsor design competitions than for inidividual players to adopt NPCs that might somehow come to be satellites or proxies to the PCs.

[Korpen]

If that's the case, I'd rather see the moderators sponsor design competitions than for inidividual players to adopt NPCs that might somehow come to be satellites or proxies to the PCs.

I agree, also, design competitions are fun :)

[Desertfox]

I still think they need more BPs otherwise it wont be a viable Potential Player Nation.

If Firanj and New Zion are to be player nations, why are you guys designing navies for them?

The DKB offered Firajistan a nice design. NS is just returning the favor, offering the Jews an even nicer design. ;D Note my design would come with no strings attached and the plans would be free, hard to beat that deal.

[The Rock Doctor]

The budding DKB/NS rivalry is amusing, I give you that.