Glorious French cruisers

[maddox]

Ok, The designer of the Hannibal proposal got a firm kick at the posteriour, and is now designing wooded furniture dowels.

2 proposals, both on the same hull.
( range is exchangable for cruising speed 9000Nm@10kts or 6000Nm@12 kts)

The heavy gunned version.

Boa linnaeus, French Armored Cruiser laid down 1909

Displacement:
   9.971 t light; 10.379 t standard; 11.647 t normal; 12.661 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   492,13 ft / 492,13 ft x 75,46 ft x 18,70 ft (normal load)
   150,00 m / 150,00 m x 23,00 m  x 5,70 m

Armament:
      3 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns in single mounts, 634,55lbs / 287,83kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      3 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,17lbs / 1,44kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 2.052 lbs / 931 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
     Main Belt covers 106% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   5,00" / 127 mm      8,00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 7,00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 41.264 shp / 30.783 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.282 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   559 - 728

Cost:
   £0,853 million / $3,413 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 257 tons, 2,2%
   Armour: 3.483 tons, 29,9%
      - Belts: 1.931 tons, 16,6%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 481 tons, 4,1%
      - Armour Deck: 993 tons, 8,5%
      - Conning Tower: 77 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 2.063 tons, 17,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.018 tons, 34,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.677 tons, 14,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1,3%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17.654 lbs / 8.008 Kg = 27,8 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 2,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
   Metacentric height 4,6 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 14,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,24
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,587
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,52 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24,00 ft / 7,32 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   20,00 ft / 6,10 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Stern:      18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,02 ft / 5,80 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168,8%
   Waterplane Area: 26.832 Square feet or 2.493 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 108 lbs/sq ft or 529 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,57
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Another try for a cruiser to fill in the roles of the elder BB's

The lighter gunned, but according to me, more balanced version.

Anaconda, French Armored Cruiser laid down 1909

Displacement:
   9.966 t light; 10.379 t standard; 11.647 t normal; 12.661 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   492,13 ft / 492,13 ft x 75,46 ft x 18,70 ft (normal load)
   150,00 m / 150,00 m x 23,00 m  x 5,70 m

Armament:
      6 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns (3x2 guns), 226,24lbs / 102,62kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      3 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,17lbs / 1,44kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 1.755 lbs / 796 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 175

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
     Main Belt covers 106% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   5,00" / 127 mm      8,00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 7,00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 41.264 shp / 30.783 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.282 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   559 - 728

Cost:
   £0,822 million / $3,288 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 219 tons, 1,9%
   Armour: 3.557 tons, 30,5%
      - Belts: 1.932 tons, 16,6%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 555 tons, 4,8%
      - Armour Deck: 993 tons, 8,5%
      - Conning Tower: 77 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 2.063 tons, 17,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.926 tons, 33,7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.682 tons, 14,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1,7%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18.860 lbs / 8.555 Kg = 83,4 x 7,7 " / 195 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
   Metacentric height 4,6 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 14,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,20
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,587
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,52 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24,00 ft / 7,32 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   20,00 ft / 6,10 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Stern:      18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,02 ft / 5,80 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168,8%
   Waterplane Area: 26.832 Square feet or 2.493 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 106 lbs/sq ft or 517 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,54
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

I'd agree that the second design is better.  I though France used 100 mm guns, rather than 105 mm?

[maddox]

Nope, 105mm , thanks to Ithekro.
Several Nverse French gun bores are a-historic.
France did have 75mm guns, not 70. The 140's forget it, 130 was closer to the call.

[The Rock Doctor]

Fair enough - GC has been using some Island Commonwealth calibers since the amalgamation.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I like the Anaconda 3x2x7,6" version.
On point - the 8 inch barbettes are unnecessary. The Upper Belt reaches up to weather deck level and shields the barbettes. Thus 5 inches is acceptable - i.e. 5 barbette thickness + 1/2 of UB. I'd spend the gained weight on End Belts.
IMO a very nice 2nd class AC.
Borys

[maddox]

The Anaconda is also more liked by Minister Dupuytren, but he insists on adding the superior 140mm gun to the ship.

But, Borys, I changed as you pointed out

Anaconda, French Armored Cruiser laid down 1909

Displacement:
   9.966 t light; 10.379 t standard; 11.647 t normal; 12.661 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   492,13 ft / 492,13 ft x 75,46 ft x 18,70 ft (normal load)
   150,00 m / 150,00 m x 23,00 m  x 5,70 m

Armament:
      6 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns (3x2 guns), 226,24lbs / 102,62kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      3 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,17lbs / 1,44kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 1.755 lbs / 796 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 175

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   152,00 ft / 46,33 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
     Main Belt covers 106% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   5,00" / 127 mm      5,00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 7,00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 41.264 shp / 30.783 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.282 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   559 - 728

Cost:
   £0,822 million / $3,288 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 219 tons, 1,9%
   Armour: 3.662 tons, 31,4%
      - Belts: 2.157 tons, 18,5%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 435 tons, 3,7%
      - Armour Deck: 993 tons, 8,5%
      - Conning Tower: 77 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 2.063 tons, 17,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.891 tons, 33,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.682 tons, 14,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19.188 lbs / 8.704 Kg = 84,8 x 7,7 " / 195 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22
   Metacentric height 4,8 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 14,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,17

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,587
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,52 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24,00 ft / 7,32 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   20,00 ft / 6,10 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Stern:      18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,02 ft / 5,80 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74,3%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168,8%
   Waterplane Area: 26.832 Square feet or 2.493 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 513 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,47
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Another try for a cruiser to fill in the roles of the elder BB's

[Borys]

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909

Displacement:
   9 424 t light; 9 819 t standard; 10 973 t normal; 11 895 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   492,13 ft / 492,13 ft x 75,46 ft x 18,70 ft (normal load)
   150,00 m / 150,00 m x 23,00 m  x 5,70 m

Armament:
      6 - 7,60" / 193 mm guns (3x2 guns), 226,00lbs / 102,51kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward
      10 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      2 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,17lbs / 1,44kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 1 710 lbs / 775 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 175
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   152,00 ft / 46,33 m   3,00 ft / 0,91 m
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,60 ft / 3,84 m
     Main Belt covers 106% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      5,00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -         1,00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1,75" / 44 mm, Conning tower: 7,00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 39 105 shp / 29 172 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 8 500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 076 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   535 - 696

Cost:
   £0,779 million / $3,116 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 209 tons, 1,9%
   Armour: 3 339 tons, 30,4%
      - Belts: 2 029 tons, 18,5%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 395 tons, 3,6%
      - Armour Deck: 841 tons, 7,7%
      - Conning Tower: 74 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 1 955 tons, 17,8%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 771 tons, 34,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 548 tons, 14,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 887 lbs / 8 113 Kg = 81,5 x 7,6 " / 193 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,29
   Metacentric height 5,2 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 13,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,18
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,553
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,52 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24,40 ft / 7,44 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   18,50 ft / 5,64 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,50 ft / 5,64 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   18,50 ft / 5,64 m
      - Stern:      18,50 ft / 5,64 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,97 ft / 5,78 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171,2%
   Waterplane Area: 25 990 Square feet or 2 415 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 510 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,56
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[P3D]

 almost said get 27kts and 8x8" but when I tried to sim it I ran out of SHP...

[Tanthalas]

best i could do for 8" was 6x8" 28 kts

[maddox]

Boa Fidelius, French heavy Cruiser laid down 1910

Displacement:
   8.482 t light; 8.858 t standard; 9.859 t normal; 10.660 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   492,13 ft / 492,13 ft x 68,90 ft x 19,69 ft (normal load)
   150,00 m / 150,00 m x 21,00 m  x 6,00 m

Armament:
      8 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns (4x2 guns), 226,24lbs / 102,62kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      3 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,17lbs / 1,44kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 1.959 lbs / 888 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 160
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,00" / 76 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
     Main Belt covers 106% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,00" / 127 mm   2,00" / 51 mm      5,00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 7,00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48.143 shp / 35.915 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.802 tons (80% coal)

Complement:
   494 - 643

Cost:
   £0,803 million / $3,212 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 245 tons, 2,5%
   Armour: 2.387 tons, 24,2%
      - Belts: 1.042 tons, 10,6%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 426 tons, 4,3%
      - Armour Deck: 849 tons, 8,6%
      - Conning Tower: 69 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 2.145 tons, 21,8%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.605 tons, 36,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.377 tons, 14,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 1,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12.360 lbs / 5.607 Kg = 54,6 x 7,7 " / 195 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
   Metacentric height 3,7 ft / 1,1 m
   Roll period: 15,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,517
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,14 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25,59 ft / 7,80 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Stern:      18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,53 ft / 5,95 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166,3%
   Waterplane Area: 22.946 Square feet or 2.132 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 106 lbs/sq ft or 518 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,75
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

not a bad ship little light on armor for my tastes but not bad at all.

[maddox]

Increasing armor can only be done by increasing weight, and that results in a AON Armored cruiser.

Boa Fidelius, French Armored Cruiser laid down 1910

Displacement:
   10.475 t light; 10.894 t standard; 12.040 t normal; 12.956 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   531,50 ft / 531,50 ft x 75,46 ft x 20,01 ft (normal load)
   162,00 m / 162,00 m x 23,00 m  x 6,10 m

Armament:
      8 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns (4x2 guns), 242,51lbs / 110,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      3 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,17lbs / 1,44kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 2.089 lbs / 947 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8,00" / 203 mm   320,00 ft / 97,54 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   5,00" / 127 mm   340,00 ft / 103,63 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
     Main Belt covers 93% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,00" / 127 mm   2,00" / 51 mm      5,00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 7,00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 53.226 shp / 39.706 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.062 tons (80% coal)

Complement:
   574 - 747

Cost:
   £0,904 million / $3,617 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 245 tons, 2,0%
   Armour: 3.492 tons, 29,0%
      - Belts: 2.228 tons, 18,5%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 426 tons, 3,5%
      - Armour Deck: 759 tons, 6,3%
      - Conning Tower: 79 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 2.372 tons, 19,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.266 tons, 35,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.565 tons, 13,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,8%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17.217 lbs / 7.809 Kg = 76,1 x 7,7 " / 195 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19
   Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 14,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,25
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,525
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,04 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25,59 ft / 7,80 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Stern:      18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,53 ft / 5,95 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,7%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 170,6%
   Waterplane Area: 27.344 Square feet or 2.540 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 535 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,53
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

to big for her guns imo.  Go with a smaller ship and drop 2 guns thats what i ended up doing on my fast cruiser project.

[maddox]

A first try to have a fast cruiser.

Vache, French Assault cruiser laid down 1910

Displacement:
   10.684 t light; 11.222 t standard; 13.325 t normal; 15.006 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   561,02 ft / 557,74 ft x 72,18 ft x 21,65 ft (normal load)
   171,00 m / 170,00 m x 22,00 m  x 6,60 m

Armament:
      6 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (3x2 guns), 661,39lbs / 300,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      3 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 11,02lbs / 5,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4.355 lbs / 1.975 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   362,53 ft / 110,50 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   195,19 ft / 59,49 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   362,53 ft / 110,50 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   6,00" / 152 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 47.318 shp / 35.299 Kw = 26,00 kts
   Range 12.000nm at 11,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.784 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   619 - 806

Cost:
   £1,115 million / $4,461 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 524 tons, 3,9%
   Armour: 2.958 tons, 22,2%
      - Belts: 1.517 tons, 11,4%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 672 tons, 5,0%
      - Armour Deck: 769 tons, 5,8%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
   Machinery: 2.151 tons, 16,1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.931 tons, 37,0%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.641 tons, 19,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 0,9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17.221 lbs / 7.811 Kg = 27,1 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
   Metacentric height 4,3 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 14,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,535
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,73 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27,89 ft / 8,50 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      15,75 ft / 4,80 m
      - Average freeboard:   17,27 ft / 5,27 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139,8%
   Waterplane Area: 27.703 Square feet or 2.574 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 606 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,28
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

That's not too bad at all.