Habsburger Schlachtschiffe

[Alikchi]

Ahoj!
Alikchi - you laid down. I have "concept studies" ....
You are ahead.
Borys

Ah fair enough. :) Still, I'd rather get myself in an arms race mentality now than slip behind later.. ;)

[Borys]

Cut 0,5 knot of speed, shortened TBH, improved MB.


Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1907 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   21 861 t light; 23 073 t standard; 24 467 t normal; 25 581 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   551,18 ft / 551,18 ft x 87,27 ft x 29,23 ft (normal load)
   168,00 m / 168,00 m x 26,60 m  x 8,91 m

Armament:
      8 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1 250,00lbs / 566,99kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 110,00lbs / 49,90kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 11 536 lbs / 5 233 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   14,00 ft / 4,27 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   151,00 ft / 46,02 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 112% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   48,00 ft / 14,63 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   6,00" / 152 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   6,00" / 152 mm         -         2,00" / 51 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11,00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 44 716 shp / 33 358 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 508 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   977 - 1 271

Cost:
   £2,267 million / $9,069 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 419 tons, 5,8%
   Armour: 9 150 tons, 37,4%
      - Belts: 4 476 tons, 18,3%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 066 tons, 4,4%
      - Armament: 2 096 tons, 8,6%
      - Armour Deck: 1 313 tons, 5,4%
      - Conning Tower: 200 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 2 214 tons, 9,0%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 678 tons, 35,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 606 tons, 10,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     29 774 lbs / 13 505 Kg = 24,2 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 4,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 4,8 ft / 1,5 m
   Roll period: 16,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,72
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,38

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (35%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,06 ft / 6,42 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136,2%
   Waterplane Area: 35 478 Square feet or 3 296 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 823 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,93
      - Overall: 1,05
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[swamphen]

Err:

8 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1 250,00lbs / 566,99kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room

???

[Borys]

Ahoj!
thanks to this site I have a piccie :D
http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/

[swamphen]

I pity da foo' who gets stuck in Casemate #4...  :-\

[Borys]

Ahoj!
.... or the excitement on the bridge if a six gun salvo is blasted over the bow ...
:D
Borys

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Tinkered with the design even further:

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1907 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   21 861 t light; 23 073 t standard; 24 467 t normal; 25 581 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   551,18 ft / 551,18 ft x 87,27 ft x 29,23 ft (normal load)
   168,00 m / 168,00 m x 26,60 m  x 8,91 m

Armament:
      8 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1 250,00lbs / 566,99kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 110,00lbs / 49,90kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 11 536 lbs / 5 233 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   14,00 ft / 4,27 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   151,00 ft / 46,02 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 112% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   48,00 ft / 14,63 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   6,00" / 152 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6,00" / 152 mm         -         2,00" / 51 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11,00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 37 586 shp / 28 039 Kw = 22,00 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 508 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   977 - 1 271

Cost:
   £2,218 million / $8,871 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 419 tons, 5,8%
   Armour: 9 401 tons, 38,4%
      - Belts: 4 476 tons, 18,3%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 066 tons, 4,4%
      - Armament: 2 347 tons, 9,6%
      - Armour Deck: 1 313 tons, 5,4%
      - Conning Tower: 200 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 1 861 tons, 7,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 780 tons, 35,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 606 tons, 10,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     31 843 lbs / 14 444 Kg = 25,9 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 5,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 4,9 ft / 1,5 m
   Roll period: 16,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,72
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (35%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,06 ft / 6,42 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136,2%
   Waterplane Area: 35 478 Square feet or 3 296 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 170 lbs/sq ft or 832 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,95
      - Overall: 1,05
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Borys]

Last minute tweaking. Better?
The main battery guns are in echelon - like von der Tann, Espana, the British battlecruiser class with difficult name starting with "I", Rivadavia.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   21 979 t light; 23 189 t standard; 24 587 t normal; 25 705 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   551,18 ft / 551,18 ft x 87,27 ft x 29,23 ft (normal load)
   168,00 m / 168,00 m x 26,60 m  x 8,91 m

Armament:
      8 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1 250,00lbs / 566,99kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 49,90kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1908 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 11 482 lbs / 5 208 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   18,00 ft / 5,49 m
   Ends:   5,00" / 127 mm   201,00 ft / 61,26 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   9,00 ft / 2,74 m
     Main Belt covers 98% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   48,00 ft / 14,63 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   6,00" / 152 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   6,00" / 152 mm         -         2,00" / 51 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11,00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 37 740 shp / 28 154 Kw = 22,00 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 516 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   981 - 1 276

Cost:
   £2,217 million / $8,869 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 412 tons, 5,7%
   Armour: 9 904 tons, 40,3%
      - Belts: 5 170 tons, 21,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 932 tons, 3,8%
      - Armament: 2 285 tons, 9,3%
      - Armour Deck: 1 316 tons, 5,4%
      - Conning Tower: 200 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 1 868 tons, 7,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 394 tons, 34,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 608 tons, 10,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     32 723 lbs / 14 843 Kg = 26,6 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 5,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 4,9 ft / 1,5 m
   Roll period: 16,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,75
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,612
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,00 ft / 8,84 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   22,00 ft / 6,71 m
      - Mid (50%):      21,00 ft / 6,40 m (19,70 ft / 6,00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,70 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,70 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,26 ft / 6,48 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,4%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 141,8%
   Waterplane Area: 35 577 Square feet or 3 305 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 162 lbs/sq ft or 793 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,85
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[P3D]

Wow that's SOME main belt.

[Korpen]

Me like!
Not even undergunned, much. ;)

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I redid the ship in SS2, as I had "lost" :) the file.
Made two minor adjustments:
- End Belts are thinner, and an extra 18 inch strake added to Upper Belt;
- I simplified the freeboard, from:
  Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,00 ft / 8,84 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   22,00 ft / 6,71 m
      - Mid (50%):      21,00 ft / 6,40 m (19,70 ft / 6,00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,70 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,70 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,26 ft / 6,48 m

to
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,00 ft / 8,84 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   22,00 ft / 6,71 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,50 ft / 5,94 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,50 ft / 5,94 m
      - Stern:      19,50 ft / 5,94 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,94 ft / 6,38 m

And finally gave the ship a name :)

SMS Don Juan de Austria, Habsburger Schlachtschiff laid down 1908 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   21 979 t light; 23 187 t standard; 24 585 t normal; 25 703 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   551,18 ft / 551,18 ft x 87,27 ft x 29,23 ft (normal load)
   168,00 m / 168,00 m x 26,60 m  x 8,91 m

Armament:
      8 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1 250,00lbs / 566,99kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1908 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 0,43" / 11,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,04lbs / 0,02kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 11 458 lbs / 5 197 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   18,00 ft / 5,49 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   201,00 ft / 61,26 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
     Main Belt covers 98% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   48,00 ft / 14,63 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   6,00" / 152 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   6,00" / 152 mm         -         2,00" / 51 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11,00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 37 738 shp / 28 153 Kw = 22,00 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 516 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   981 - 1 276

Cost:
   £2,217 million / $8,869 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 412 tons, 5,7%
   Armour: 9 972 tons, 40,6%
      - Belts: 5 266 tons, 21,4%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 932 tons, 3,8%
      - Armament: 2 256 tons, 9,2%
      - Armour Deck: 1 316 tons, 5,4%
      - Conning Tower: 200 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 1 868 tons, 7,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 327 tons, 33,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 606 tons, 10,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     32 508 lbs / 14 746 Kg = 26,4 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 5,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 4,9 ft / 1,5 m
   Roll period: 16,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,612
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,00 ft / 8,84 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   22,00 ft / 6,71 m
      - Mid (50%):      19,50 ft / 5,94 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   19,50 ft / 5,94 m
      - Stern:      19,50 ft / 5,94 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,94 ft / 6,38 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138,7%
   Waterplane Area: 35 577 Square feet or 3 305 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 162 lbs/sq ft or 789 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,83
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily