HY 2, 1935

[Kaiser Kirk]

The coming weekend should be HY2, 1935.

1) A couple weeks ago, folks were good with the 1st weekend in December being HY2, 1935,
so I will presume that is on course.

2) I have been delaying my 1935 turns in the hope of being able to pick my next armored cruiser on the basis of recent IJN ships.

If folks don't object, I'd like to post the 1935 turns with a 'placeholder' armored cruiser instead, defaulting to the 'Zemaka III' design posted. If no new information pops up prior to completion, great, thats what it is. But if new ships get posted before that, if needed I can upgrade it to a Dahae T or S and just keep paying for tonnage until that is complete.

Moves my turns forward without seriously disrupting things for others.
Opinions?

[TacCovert4]

Sounds fine to me.

I'll try to whip together some Japanese ships, if nothing else a straight Mogami copy in Ss. 

I've got a bit of time this weekend to work on some stuff.  And since Royal Sovereign commissions in 35-2 I need to get the next one started, so a bit of work is going to happen anyway

[Kaiser Kirk]

I'll try to whip together some Japanese ships, if nothing else a straight Mogami copy in Ss. 

Don't stress to much on it, I have made it this far 'guessing' :)
I am curious to see how well IJN ships springsharp.
Not only did many of their ships need structural reinforcement, but sometimes the speeds were run without armanent fitted. They also did some cutting edge stuff, working armor in as structural plates, and waving the freeboard deck to more evenly distribute loads, allowing less structural steel. Toss in just outright deciet to cloak what they were doing, and finding 'good' data can be rough.

[TacCovert4]

I'll try to whip together some Japanese ships, if nothing else a straight Mogami copy in Ss. 

Don't stress to much on it, I have made it this far 'guessing' :)
I am curious to see how well IJN ships springsharp.
Not only did many of their ships need structural reinforcement, but sometimes the speeds were run without armanent fitted. They also did some cutting edge stuff, working armor in as structural plates, and waving the freeboard deck to more evenly distribute loads, allowing less structural steel. Toss in just outright deciet to cloak what they were doing, and finding 'good' data can be rough.

Quite.  Figure on Mogami specs for armor and firepower, speed of 32kts, and I'll adjust the tonnage to meet those requirements.  I'm going to be building out new 150mm guns in the 45-52 caliber range for the Japanese light cruisers, and 200mm guns for the heavy cruisers.

[TacCovert4]

So you can plan around it, these are roughly what I'm looking at:

A Heavy Cruiser roughly on the Mogami style with 8 or 10 x 200mm guns, 32kts

A Light Cruiser that uses a similar hull with 12 or 15 x 150mm guns, 32kts

A Light Cruiser with significant torpedo armament, armed with 8 or 9 x 150mm guns, 32kts

[TacCovert4]

With reference to capital ships, both for my sanity and for Japanese production, I intend to do either an upgraded Kongo or Amagi style, iterated year on year with improvements.  If Kongo style it'll be updated with 200-300mm of belt armor and 400mm guns with the size at whatever will accommodate that on 30-32kts.  If Amagi style it'll relatively faithfully follow the Amagi in armor and guns, with a 29-30kt speed.

[TacCovert4]

In the carrier department, given the Japanese are running at or slightly behind the Aztecs in that regard, I will probably go with a 'medium' carrier between a 10,000t light carrier and a 27,000t fleet carrier, something in the 16-20,000t range with an armament of 150mm single purpose guns and a sizeable AA suite or DP secondary in the 100-120mm range and aviation between 36 and 50 aircraft.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Most of that fits within my expectations. Ever since the Sino-Japanese war, massed night time torpedo attacks has been a Parthian concern leading to the sentry frigates, the netlayers, etc.

My cruiser designs should match up decently with the newer Manzikert and Bahktiari classes right there. If the IJN runs a lot of 150mm, I may shuffle my cruisers to put more of the 165mm gunned ships there, and the 180mm elsewhere.

The BC guns are expected as Nagato/Amagi went 400mm plus, but deck penetration goes up very slowly, even my AC designs are resistant at reasonable ranges - Based on Nelson's 16/45- their magazines are proof under ~26km and machinery under 22km.  The belts are on the border of what I was expecting, which should be vulnerable to the 265mm under 20km- so very much so in night combat.  Since my AC's job is to scout / kill small stuff / night fight vs. bigger ships...that works. Not bad for a ship 1/2 the size.
The Dahae might still be sufficiently 'better' to field though....as Jefgte observed *some* might call them a fast battleship, and the resemblance to a certain French class with 330mm guns is interesting...

My carrier program is full up right now, I won't be laying new keels for a bit while the current 3 complete.

[Kaiser Kirk]

So we will declare HY 1935 "Live " as of Pearl Harbor Day.

....Parthian units will be conducting drills for response to Surprise attacks..

[Kaiser Kirk]

Kinda irrelevant in N7 as this is exporters, and we all have 'sufficient' for our navies, but scanning Pearl Harbor's article on wiki, I ran across this in the citations :
The statistics given are for 1935. The top five oil exporters that year were, in order, the United States, with 6,958 kt, Persia (Iran), with 6,860 kt, Romania, with 6,221 kt, the Dutch East Indies, with 5,139 kt, and the Soviet Union, with 3,369 kt. See: The Way to Pearl Harbor: US vs Japan Archived 2016-12-20 at the Wayback Machine, accessed 27 February 2009. Full citation given below.

In N7:
The US supply is split 3 ways - Wilno (Penn), Rome (Texas) and Parthia (California)
The Persian supply is Parthian
The Romanian supply is probably Byzantine
The DEI supply is predominantly Parthian, bits to China and Japan.
The USSR supply was mainly Baku region, which is Parthian. The rest would be Horde.

Storyline, I have long advanced the notion that Oil revenues from exports are helping finance the Parthian expansion, and why I focused on harbors for basing and mercantile routes.

[The Rock Doctor]

I might get the report up next weekend - am behind on simming several refits and refurbishments that are sketched in for 2/35.

[Kaiser Kirk]

No worries, you have all month :)

I was very surprised at how fast my HY2 went, I just had already committed my resources.

[Jefgte]

Byzantine 1935H2 in progress.