Byzantine Empire 1925...

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Jefgte

Why build 6000t and 8000t cruisers?
=> let's try 7000t instead

C12, Byzantine Empire C12 laid down 1928

Displacement:
   7 000 t light; 7 418 t standard; 8 220 t normal; 8 861 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (534,40 ft / 531,50 ft) x 59,06 ft x (18,33 / 19,41 ft)
   (162,88 m / 162,00 m) x 18,00 m  x (5,59 / 5,91 m)

Armament:
      10 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1928 Model
     5 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 50,00lbs / 22,68kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1928 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 433 lbs / 1 104 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4,33" / 110 mm   360,89 ft / 110,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Ends:   1,18" / 30 mm   170,57 ft / 51,99 m   7,87 ft / 2,40 m
     Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,51" / 140 mm   1,18" / 30 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 61 138 shp / 45 609 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 443 tons

Complement:
   431 - 561

Cost:
   £2,885 million / $11,539 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 684 tons, 8,3 %
      - Guns: 684 tons, 8,3 %
   Armour: 1 481 tons, 18,0 %
      - Belts: 692 tons, 8,4 %
      - Armament: 110 tons, 1,3 %
      - Armour Deck: 638 tons, 7,8 %
      - Conning Towers: 41 tons, 0,5 %
   Machinery: 1 903 tons, 23,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 708 tons, 32,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 220 tons, 14,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 224 tons, 2,7 %
      - Hull below water: 33 tons
      - Hull above water: 33 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 65 tons
      - Above deck: 93 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7 950 lbs / 3 606 Kg = 37,4 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05
   Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 15,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,81
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,500 / 0,509
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17,50 %,  23,62 ft / 7,20 m,  20,34 ft / 6,20 m
      - Forward deck:   33,50 %,  20,34 ft / 6,20 m,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Aft deck:   33,52 %,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,48 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      18,20 ft / 5,55 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 163,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 913 Square feet or 1 943 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 468 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,86
      - Longitudinal: 1,32
      - Overall: 0,90
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
68t for top fire control
25t for Marconi
OD
24t for 2x3TTx533 HW
25t for Seaplane + cata
16t reserved
AW
33t for climatisation
BW
33t for additionnal pumps
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

QuoteLooks pretty good except the hull strength needs to be 1.00 to go with the turrets...

This is a little bullet  ???

=> 6 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1928 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

Byzantine Empire 15000t Aircraft Carrier - 40 aircrafts -  laid down 1928

Karadeniz - Kizildeniz
(Black Sea - Red Sea)

Displacement:
   15 000 t light; 15 589 t standard; 17 158 t normal; 18 413 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (658,58 ft / 656,17 ft) x 82,02 ft x (22,32 / 23,54 ft)
   (200,74 m / 200,00 m) x 25,00 m  x (6,80 / 7,18 m)

Armament:
      8 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 200,00lbs / 90,72kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 240 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 10 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1 897 lbs / 861 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,57" / 40 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Box over machinery & magazines:
   2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 80 000 shp / 59 680 Kw = 29,10 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 824 tons

Complement:
   749 - 974

Cost:
   £3,699 million / $14,798 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 306 tons, 1,8 %
      - Guns: 306 tons, 1,8 %
   Armour: 1 109 tons, 6,5 %
      - Armament: 37 tons, 0,2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 072 tons, 6,2 %
   Machinery: 2 491 tons, 14,5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 146 tons, 41,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 158 tons, 12,6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3 948 tons, 23,0 %
      - Hull below water: 140 tons
      - Hull above water: 1 990 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 1 790 tons
      - Above deck: 28 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     44 184 lbs / 20 042 Kg = 207,8 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 3,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 16,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 96 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,500 / 0,509
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 6,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   12,00 %,  22,97 ft / 7,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forward deck:   40,00 %,  39,37 ft / 12,00 m,  39,37 ft / 12,00 m
      - Aft deck:   40,00 %,  39,37 ft / 12,00 m,  39,37 ft / 12,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   8,00 %,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      35,59 ft / 10,85 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 67,7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 358,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 35 859 Square feet or 3 331 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 157 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 541 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,85
      - Longitudinal: 3,98
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

misc weight:
AD
25t for LR Marconi
3t for 1924 fire control
OD
1600t for 20 aircrafts
90t for Climatisation
100t for Fire Fighting
HAW
1600t for 20 aircrafts
90t for Climatisation
100t for Fire Fighting
100t for aircrafts spare parts
HBW
40t for additionnal pumps
100t reserved for  material...


"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#138
3x102 were 2M2x102

TGB-500t, Byzantine Empire TGB-500t laid down 1928

Displacement:
   500 t light; 526 t standard; 562 t normal; 590 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (245,15 ft / 242,78 ft) x 26,25 ft x (7,18 / 7,42 ft)
   (74,72 m / 74,00 m) x 8,00 m  x (2,19 / 2,26 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mount, 1928 Model
     1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal gun - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1928 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 107 lbs / 49 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 7 481 shp / 5 580 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 2 390nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 64 tons

Complement:
   56 - 74

Cost:
   £0,209 million / $0,836 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 19 tons, 3,5 %
      - Guns: 19 tons, 3,5 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0,5 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0,5 %
   Machinery: 228 tons, 40,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 194 tons, 34,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 61 tons, 10,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 56 tons, 10,0 %
      - Hull above water: 3 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 51 tons
      - Above deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     332 lbs / 151 Kg = 10,3 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
   Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 12,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,430 / 0,437
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,58 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   22,00 %,  13,45 ft / 4,10 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Aft deck:   28,00 %,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20,00 %,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m,  9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,53 ft / 3,21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 142,9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 001 Square feet or 372 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 143 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,67
      - Longitudinal: 2,05
      - Overall: 0,75
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

AD
0t for SR Marconi
2t for 1924 fire control
OD
9 tons for 3TTx533
15t for enhanced hydrophone
5t for 50 DC
10t for Paravanes
10t reserve
HA
5t for climatisation
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

The Rock Doctor

A carrier for the Black Sea, which is a Byzantine lake?

TacCovert4

Golden horde is over there,  maybe it's defense against their aircraft
His Most Honorable Majesty,  Ali the 8th, Sultan of All Aztecs,  Eagle of the Sun, Jaguar of the Sun, Snake of the Sun, Seal of the Sun, Whale of the Sun, Defender of the Faith, Keeper of the Teachings of Allah most gracious and merciful.

Jefgte

QuoteA carrier for the Black Sea, which is a Byzantine lake?

Karadeniz - Kizildeniz

This is the translation of their names  :)
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

The Rock Doctor

Aha, thanks for the explanation.

Jefgte

#143
Here is the last SS for the next Byzantine BC.
Just an update of the 1927 SS witch is an update of 1910 Eupatoria (3T3x343-29kts)

BC7, Byzantine Empire BC7 laid down 1928

Displacement:
   36 900 t light; 38 916 t standard; 41 638 t normal; 43 816 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (738,05 ft / 735,56 ft) x 108,27 ft x (30,50 / 31,81 ft)
   (224,96 m / 224,20 m) x 33,00 m  x (9,30 / 9,70 m)

Armament:
      9 - 15,00" / 381 mm 42,0 cal guns - 1 920,01lbs / 870,90kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1928 Model
     3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1928 Model
     6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 240 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      24 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 10 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     16 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 19 057 lbs / 8 644 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,4" / 340 mm   479,00 ft / 146,00 m   12,47 ft / 3,80 m
   Ends:   3,94" / 100 mm   255,91 ft / 78,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   479,00 ft / 146,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,97" / 50 mm   479,00 ft / 146,00 m   30,48 ft / 9,29 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 78,74 ft / 24,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,4" / 340 mm   4,72" / 120 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   1,97" / 50 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      1,57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 4,72" / 120 mm
   Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13,39" / 340 mm, Aft 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 142 000 shp / 105 932 Kw = 29,15 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 900 tons

Complement:
   1 456 - 1 894

Cost:
   £12,763 million / $51,050 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 239 tons, 7,8 %
      - Guns: 3 239 tons, 7,8 %
   Armour: 13 451 tons, 32,3 %
      - Belts: 4 900 tons, 11,8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 063 tons, 2,6 %
      - Armament: 2 492 tons, 6,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 4 496 tons, 10,8 %
      - Conning Towers: 499 tons, 1,2 %
   Machinery: 4 421 tons, 10,6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 14 795 tons, 35,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 738 tons, 11,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 994 tons, 2,4 %
      - Hull below water: 185 tons
      - Hull above water: 185 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 250 tons
      - Above deck: 374 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     59 837 lbs / 27 142 Kg = 35,5 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 9,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 6,5 ft / 2,0 m
   Roll period: 17,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,600 / 0,605
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 27,12 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  28,38 ft / 8,65 m,  24,77 ft / 7,55 m
      - Forward deck:   31,00 %,  24,77 ft / 7,55 m,  21,49 ft / 6,55 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  21,49 ft / 6,55 m,  21,16 ft / 6,45 m
      - Quarter deck:   18,00 %,  21,16 ft / 6,45 m,  21,16 ft / 6,45 m
      - Average freeboard:      22,83 ft / 6,96 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 58 246 Square feet or 5 411 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 206 lbs/sq ft or 1 005 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,40
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

324t for Top fire control
50t for 2x25t Marconi
185t for climatisation
185t for extra pumps installation
100t for Admiral staff
150t reserved
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

The Rock Doctor

It's very capable. 

Can you tweak away that "wet forward" warning?

Jefgte

#145
QuoteCan you tweak away that "wet forward" warning?

BC8, Byzantine Empire BC7 laid down 1928

Displacement:
   37 000 t light; 39 018 t standard; 41 744 t normal; 43 925 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (738,18 ft / 735,56 ft) x 108,27 ft x (30,58 / 31,89 ft)
   (225,00 m / 224,20 m) x 33,00 m  x (9,32 / 9,72 m)

Armament:
      9 - 15,00" / 381 mm 42,0 cal guns - 1 920,01lbs / 870,90kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1928 Model
     3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1928 Model
     6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 240 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      24 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 10 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     16 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 19 057 lbs / 8 644 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,4" / 340 mm   479,00 ft / 146,00 m   12,47 ft / 3,80 m
   Ends:   3,94" / 100 mm   255,91 ft / 78,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   479,00 ft / 146,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,97" / 50 mm   479,00 ft / 146,00 m   30,58 ft / 9,32 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 78,74 ft / 24,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,4" / 340 mm   4,72" / 120 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   1,97" / 50 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      1,57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 4,72" / 120 mm
   Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13,39" / 340 mm, Aft 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 142 047 shp / 105 967 Kw = 29,14 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 906 tons

Complement:
   1 459 - 1 898

Cost:
   £12,777 million / $51,107 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 239 tons, 7,8 %
      - Guns: 3 239 tons, 7,8 %
   Armour: 13 481 tons, 32,3 %
      - Belts: 4 900 tons, 11,7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 067 tons, 2,6 %
      - Armament: 2 517 tons, 6,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 4 496 tons, 10,8 %
      - Conning Towers: 500 tons, 1,2 %
   Machinery: 4 422 tons, 10,6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 14 845 tons, 35,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 744 tons, 11,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1 014 tons, 2,4 %
      - Hull below water: 185 tons
      - Hull above water: 185 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 270 tons
      - Above deck: 374 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     60 222 lbs / 27 316 Kg = 35,7 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 9,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07
   Metacentric height 6,4 ft / 2,0 m
   Roll period: 17,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,75
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,600 / 0,605
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 27,12 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  29,86 ft / 9,10 m,  25,26 ft / 7,70 m
      - Forward deck:   31,00 %,  25,26 ft / 7,70 m,  21,65 ft / 6,60 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  21,65 ft / 6,60 m,  21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   18,00 %,  21,33 ft / 6,50 m,  21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Average freeboard:      23,19 ft / 7,07 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 170,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 58 246 Square feet or 5 411 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 206 lbs/sq ft or 1 004 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,42
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

324t for Top fire control
50t for 2x25t Marconi
185t for climatisation
185t for extra pumps installation
100t for Admiral staff
170t reserved
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

This one is interesting too but too expensive  :-[

BC7, Byzantine Empire BC7 laid down 1928

Displacement:
   41 000 t light; 43 422 t standard; 45 933 t normal; 47 942 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (738,21 ft / 735,56 ft) x 114,17 ft x (31,08 / 32,20 ft)
   (225,00 m / 224,20 m) x 34,80 m  x (9,47 / 9,82 m)

Armament:
      12 - 15,00" / 381 mm 42,0 cal guns - 1 920,01lbs / 870,90kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1928 Model
     4 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1928 Model
     6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,00lbs / 14,97kg shells, 240 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      24 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 2,01lbs / 0,91kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      16 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 10 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     16 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 24 817 lbs / 11 257 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,4" / 340 mm   479,00 ft / 146,00 m   11,81 ft / 3,60 m
   Ends:   3,94" / 100 mm   252,62 ft / 77,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
     3,94 ft / 1,20 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   479,00 ft / 146,00 m   14,44 ft / 4,40 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,97" / 50 mm   482,28 ft / 147,00 m   31,07 ft / 9,47 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 85,30 ft / 26,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,4" / 340 mm   4,72" / 120 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   1,97" / 50 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      1,57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 4,72" / 120 mm
   Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13,39" / 340 mm, Aft 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 150 000 shp / 111 900 Kw = 28,99 kts
   Range 12 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 520 tons

Complement:
   1 568 - 2 039

Cost:
   £15,075 million / $60,298 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 168 tons, 9,1 %
      - Guns: 4 168 tons, 9,1 %
   Armour: 14 592 tons, 31,8 %
      - Belts: 4 864 tons, 10,6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 091 tons, 2,4 %
      - Armament: 3 243 tons, 7,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 4 861 tons, 10,6 %
      - Conning Towers: 533 tons, 1,2 %
   Machinery: 4 670 tons, 10,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 16 528 tons, 36,0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 933 tons, 10,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1 042 tons, 2,3 %
      - Hull below water: 200 tons
      - Hull above water: 200 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 200 tons
      - Above deck: 442 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     62 679 lbs / 28 431 Kg = 37,1 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 9,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07
   Metacentric height 7,0 ft / 2,1 m
   Roll period: 18,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,79
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,616 / 0,620
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,44 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 27,12 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19,00 %,  30,18 ft / 9,20 m,  25,59 ft / 7,80 m
      - Forward deck:   32,00 %,  25,59 ft / 7,80 m,  22,31 ft / 6,80 m
      - Aft deck:   32,00 %,  22,31 ft / 6,80 m,  21,65 ft / 6,60 m
      - Quarter deck:   17,00 %,  21,65 ft / 6,60 m,  21,65 ft / 6,60 m
      - Average freeboard:      23,59 ft / 7,19 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 173,1 %
   Waterplane Area: 62 346 Square feet or 5 792 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 221 lbs/sq ft or 1 077 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,46
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

417t for Top fire control
25t for LR Marconi
200t for climatisation
200t for extra pumps installation
100t for Admiral staff
100t reserved
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Kaiser Kirk

The second one has ~900 tons more guns than the first.
I bet that 4m high 100mm upper belt weighs about that.

Which brings me to a question : 
Is that upper belt supposed to capped by an armored deck?
You have the decks set to single layer.
Which would allow shells and splinters striking above the upper belt
to damage things behind it.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Jefgte

#148
QuoteThe second one has ~900 tons more guns than the first.
I bet that 4m high 100mm upper belt weighs about that.

In part, it is also the higher freeboard.

QuoteWhich brings me to a question :
Is that upper belt supposed to capped by an armored deck?
You have the decks set to single layer.
Which would allow shells and splinters striking above the upper belt
to damage things behind it.


That upper belt is supposed to capped by a light armored deck (25% of the Armored Deck => 30mm).
You have the decks set to single layer.
Which would allow shells and splinters striking above the upper belt
to damage things behind it. yes
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

Super Destroyer with 140/50 specialized in long-range guns battle.

SD13, Byzantine Empire Super Destroyer laid down 1928

Displacement:
   1 800 t light; 1 891 t standard; 2 224 t normal; 2 491 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (387,16 ft / 383,86 ft) x 36,09 ft x (13,25 / 14,33 ft)
   (118,01 m / 117,00 m) x 11,00 m  x (4,04 / 4,37 m)

Armament:
      4 - 5,51" / 140 mm 50,0 cal guns - 81,99lbs / 37,19kg shells, 220 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 1,85lbs / 0,84kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 0,50" / 12,7 mm 62,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 6 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 336 lbs / 152 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 41 200 shp / 30 735 Kw = 32,53 kts
   Range 10 400nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 601 tons

Complement:
   161 - 210

Cost:
   £0,908 million / $3,634 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 70 tons, 3,1 %
      - Guns: 70 tons, 3,1 %
   Armour: 18 tons, 0,8 %
      - Armament: 18 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 1 112 tons, 50,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 489 tons, 22,0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 424 tons, 19,1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 112 tons, 5,0 %
      - Hull above water: 29 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 52 tons
      - Above deck: 31 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     579 lbs / 263 Kg = 6,9 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,26
   Metacentric height 1,6 ft / 0,5 m
   Roll period: 11,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,29
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,424 / 0,439
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10,64 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,59 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  18,70 ft / 5,70 m,  15,75 ft / 4,80 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  15,75 ft / 4,80 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      14,24 ft / 4,34 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 141,2 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 661 Square feet or 805 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 77 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 162 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,21
      - Overall: 0,54
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

6t for 1924 top mast rangefinder
25t for LR marconi

32t for 2x4TTx533HW
20t reserved for new material, armament, minen

15t for improved Hydrophone
5t for 50x90DC
9t for climatisation

Trial speed: 33kts
Bonus: 0.54
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf