Rebuilt AC3 - Ceyhan & Canakkale

Started by Jefgte, October 03, 2021, 09:29:02 AM

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Jefgte

When I look at my armored cruisers, I see that they are all going at 27kts. But not for:
- AC2 Bourgas & Bapha (24kts) assigned to the 6th and 7th Colonial Battle Division (22kts).
- AC3 Ceyhan - Canakkale => 25kts commissioned in 1908.
So, I have 4 possibilities
1- Increase speed to 27kts.
2- Keep 25kts but increase armors to convert them into colonial battleships (vs 11 "& 12" guns) & surplus of the battle line.
3- Increase speed to 27kts and increase armors...
4- Do nothing and use the budget differently.

=> In any case, the armament does not change; 4T2x254 + 8x152

Original built
AC3, Byzantine Empire AC3 laid down 1904

Ceyhan - Canakkale

Displacement:
   14 860 t light; 15 512 t standard; 16 690 t normal; 17 633 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (574,00 ft / 574,00 ft) x 76,00 ft x (22,10 / 23,13 ft)
   (174,96 m / 174,96 m) x 23,16 m  x (6,74 / 7,05 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides alterned
      8 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,93lbs / 49,41kg shells, 140 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,28lbs / 14,64kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 70,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 164 lbs / 2 342 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,88" / 200 mm   436,00 ft / 132,89 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   138,00 ft / 42,06 m   5,00 ft / 1,52 m
   Upper:   3,55" / 90 mm   436,00 ft / 132,89 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 117 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,45" / 240 mm   2,97" / 75 mm      7,88" / 200 mm
   2nd:   9,45" / 240 mm   2,97" / 75 mm      7,88" / 200 mm
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   4th:   0,80" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1,20" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,20" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 7,88" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48 000 shp / 35 808 Kw = 25,04 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 121 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   733 - 954

Cost:
   £1,616 million / $6,465 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 091 tons, 6,5 %
      - Guns: 1 091 tons, 6,5 %
   Armour: 3 813 tons, 22,8 %
      - Belts: 1 826 tons, 10,9 %
      - Armament: 751 tons, 4,5 %
      - Armour Deck: 993 tons, 5,9 %
      - Conning Towers: 244 tons, 1,5 %
   Machinery: 4 752 tons, 28,5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 977 tons, 29,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 830 tons, 11,0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 227 tons, 1,4 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Hull above water: 80 tons
      - Above deck: 135 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12 509 lbs / 5 674 Kg = 25,0 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24
   Metacentric height 4,9 ft / 1,5 m
   Roll period: 14,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,606 / 0,612
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,55 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,96 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  18,00 ft / 5,49 m,  16,00 ft / 4,88 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  16,00 ft / 4,88 m,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15,53 ft / 4,73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,2 %
   Waterplane Area: 32 085 Square feet or 2 981 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 620 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,05
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Misc weight:
12t => 3 TT x 450 with 3 reloads
80t => 40t for extra pump installation & 40t for extra air ventilation
135t => 109t for Top Fire Control - 1912 - 14km & 10t for short Marconi
16t => reserved
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

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Jefgte

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

The Rock Doctor

25 knots is not terrible, and I don't know that you can increase it by more than about a half-knot before the seakeeping dips below 1.00.

Think I'd leave this class alone.

Kaiser Kirk

I'm not going to examine it closely, because I'm tinkering with rebuilds and shouldn't "peek" at Jefgte's plans.

I've been struggling with the seakeeping as well.
Is the extra speed in a rebuild OK if it results in poor seakeeping?

Functionally, Poor seakeeping should matter in bad weather with high sea states.
As ranges increase, I mean to take 'slow and steady roll' into account in rough seas as well.

So, say an old ship can make 30 knots refitted, but at 0.8 seakeeping.
But at 1.0 seakeeping it can only make 27knots.
In rough weather it would limited to the top speed of 27 knots.
While an equivalent vessel with a raised forecastle manages 30knots...
and so can dictate the terms of engagement - in that battle.

Of course, in rough weather, visibility will likely be down, so the chance of encounter is less,
and that encounter may start withing gun range - average expected ranges in the North Sea were ~12km.
Nighttime is the same.

The extra engine mass "costs" quite a bit.
The extra speed is not useful in rough weather.

But the extra speed may allow the ship to counter more modern vessels much of the time.
Is the extra speed worth it at the cost of poor seakeeping?

I'm leaning towards Poor Seakeeping being OK,
if it means most of the time you can manage a "useful" speed level for your fleet.

So far in wars, people have been fighting in good weather.
There were some unseaworthy (<0.75) DDs caught in a hurricane and some sunk.

There were MTB and Landing operations delayed for lower sea state.
So far, battles were chosen during periods of expected Ok weather.

There were "misses" in bad weather where cruisers did not meet- and seakeeping would have modified potential speed.

Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Jefgte

QuoteI've been struggling with the seakeeping as well.
Is the extra speed in a rebuild OK if it results in poor seakeeping?

Functionally, Poor seakeeping should matter in bad weather with high sea states.
As ranges increase, I mean to take 'slow and steady roll' into account in rough seas as well...

=>
QuoteFreeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  18,00 ft / 5,49 m,  16,00 ft / 4,88 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  16,00 ft / 4,88 m,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m,  15,00 ft / 4,57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15,53 ft / 4,73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward


I raise the edge of the forecastle from 1 to 1.2m

- Forecastle:   20,00 %,  x ft/ 6,49 m,  x ft / 5,88 m

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#6
Possible rebuild (?)

AC3, Byzantine Empire AC3 laid down 1904 (Engine 1920)

Displacement:
   13 750 t light; 14 388 t standard; 15 741 t normal; 16 824 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (574,00 ft / 574,00 ft) x 76,00 ft x (20,84 / 22,02 ft)
   (174,96 m / 174,96 m) x 23,16 m  x (6,35 / 6,71 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
      8 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,93lbs / 49,41kg shells, 140 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,28lbs / 14,64kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 218 lbs / 2 367 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   433,07 ft / 132,00 m   9,65 ft / 2,94 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   137,80 ft / 42,00 m   8,28 ft / 2,52 m
     3,13 ft / 0,96 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3,54" / 90 mm   433,07 ft / 132,00 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 116 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   2,95" / 75 mm      9,84" / 250 mm
   2nd:   9,45" / 240 mm   2,97" / 75 mm      7,88" / 200 mm
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   4th:   0,80" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,56" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 1,20" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,20" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 7,88" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 62 009 shp / 46 259 Kw = 26,93 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 435 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
   702 - 913

Cost:
   £1,233 million / $4,931 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 101 tons, 7,0 %
      - Guns: 1 101 tons, 7,0 %
   Armour: 4 894 tons, 31,1 %
      - Belts: 2 425 tons, 15,4 %
      - Armament: 861 tons, 5,5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 373 tons, 8,7 %
      - Conning Towers: 235 tons, 1,5 %
   Machinery: 2 271 tons, 14,4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 137 tons, 32,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 991 tons, 12,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 347 tons, 2,2 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 150 tons
      - Above deck: 135 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22 495 lbs / 10 203 Kg = 45,0 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 2,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 4,2 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 15,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,606 / 0,613
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,55 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,96 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  21,95 ft / 6,69 m,  19,95 ft / 6,08 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  17,31 ft / 5,28 m,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,36 ft / 5,29 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 32 085 Square feet or 2 981 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 633 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,22
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform @ 26.6kts

Misc weight:
110t for 1914 Fire control
25t for Marconi
12t => 3 TT x 450 with 3 reloads
50t => for extra pump installation
50t for extra air ventilation
100t reserved
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

TacCovert4

Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on October 03, 2021, 12:02:54 PM
I'm not going to examine it closely, because I'm tinkering with rebuilds and shouldn't "peek" at Jefgte's plans.

I've been struggling with the seakeeping as well.
Is the extra speed in a rebuild OK if it results in poor seakeeping?

Functionally, Poor seakeeping should matter in bad weather with high sea states.
As ranges increase, I mean to take 'slow and steady roll' into account in rough seas as well.

So, say an old ship can make 30 knots refitted, but at 0.8 seakeeping.
But at 1.0 seakeeping it can only make 27knots.
In rough weather it would limited to the top speed of 27 knots.
While an equivalent vessel with a raised forecastle manages 30knots...
and so can dictate the terms of engagement - in that battle.

Of course, in rough weather, visibility will likely be down, so the chance of encounter is less,
and that encounter may start withing gun range - average expected ranges in the North Sea were ~12km.
Nighttime is the same.

The extra engine mass "costs" quite a bit.
The extra speed is not useful in rough weather.

But the extra speed may allow the ship to counter more modern vessels much of the time.
Is the extra speed worth it at the cost of poor seakeeping?

I'm leaning towards Poor Seakeeping being OK,
if it means most of the time you can manage a "useful" speed level for your fleet.

So far in wars, people have been fighting in good weather.
There were some unseaworthy (<0.75) DDs caught in a hurricane and some sunk.

There were MTB and Landing operations delayed for lower sea state.
So far, battles were chosen during periods of expected Ok weather.

There were "misses" in bad weather where cruisers did not meet- and seakeeping would have modified potential speed.

The lesson I got from the Caicos war, and Snip's problems with hurricanes, was that poor seakeeping gives you a bad time in storms.  In the Caribbean, you have hurricanes, or nothing.  So my ships that are more or less confined to the Caribbean theater, like my GTBs, those can accept crap seakeeping.  I believe in that war you noted that seakeeping corresponded with sea state.  A .6 seakeeping DD (snip's E class) started risking swamping in Sea State 6 and was pretty screwed by Sea State 7 or 8.  In a small and calm sea like the Caribbean, something with weak seakeeping works.  In the North Sea, you can get away with it operationally by always sending them home when the weather starts to get bad.  In the Atlantic, or the Pacific.....you can't exactly find a sheltered harbor if things go sideways.  1.0 Seakeeping is the 'guarantor' that weather effects aren't going to be shipkilling. 

Personally, I've always wondered why some of you guys struggle for 1.20 Seakeeping all the time, I've only done it on specific classes that are purpose-built to go out into the most awful weather and expected to perform at peak efficiency.  1.0 to 1.05 is my typical goal even on capital ships, since nobody is trying to fight in weather conditions so bad that waves are breaking over a 7m bow, I mean dang.  But as DDs have gotten to 1500t and now seakeeping is something that can be taken into account, I've been aiming for 1.0 even on DDs.

Plus, like stability, I'd say that seakeeping has a small variance on survivability in combat.  If your DD for instance, has 1.0 seakeeping and it's in a battle in sea state 4.  It takes some non-deadly hits, but it would have taken on some water.  Now its effective seakeeping is more like .8.  It's still good and not in danger.  A .6 seakeeping DD that takes the same hits and goes to .4 effective seakeeping....is foundering.
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Desertfox

QuotePersonally, I've always wondered why some of you guys struggle for 1.20 Seakeeping all the time, I've only done it on specific classes that are purpose-built to go out into the most awful weather and expected to perform at peak efficiency.
I see it as more of a crew comfort perk, especially for ships that will be out at sea for weeks at a time. If you run into any weather your ship and crew will be in better shape after if the seakeeping is higher.
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Jefgte

QuoteI see it as more of a crew comfort perk, especially for ships that will be out at sea for weeks at a time. If you run into any weather your ship and crew will be in better shape after if the seakeeping is higher.

I agree totaly.

=> "Thanks for the sailors"
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte


$ x 0,25BP x 0,1
AC314860t3,7151,486
$BP
new guns4 x 76,2 AA0,0010,001
new mounts000
new armour1081t1,081,08
new engines2271t2,2712,271
7,0674,838
old guns0
old mounts0
old armour0
old engines4752t1,1881,188
1,1881,188
Final cost7,067 - 1,188   =>5,879$
Final cost4,838 - 1,188   =>3,365BP
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

The Rock Doctor

Guns and machinery have a cash cost that is twice as much as the BP cost.

You'll only be getting scrap value (15%) for the old engines, I assume.

Jefgte

QuoteYou'll only be getting scrap value (15%) for the old engines, I assume.
25%... that's a bullet  ???
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#13
...And 20% of the original cost, not 25%.


$ x 0,20BP x 0,1
AC314860t2,9721,486
$BP
new guns4 x 76,2 AA0,0020,001
new mounts000
new armour1081t1,081,08
new engines2271t4,5422,271
8,5964,838
old guns0
old mounts0
old armour0
15%old engines4752t0,71280,7128
0,71280,7128
Final cost8,596 - 0,7128  =>7,8832$
Final cost4,838 - 0,7128   =>4,1252BP
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#14
Update to really 27kts

New cost 7.93$ & 4.15BP

AC3, Byzantine Empire AC3 laid down 1904 (Engine 1920)

Displacement:
   13 750 t light; 14 388 t standard; 15 741 t normal; 16 824 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (574,00 ft / 574,00 ft) x 76,00 ft x (20,84 / 22,02 ft)
   (174,96 m / 174,96 m) x 23,16 m  x (6,35 / 6,71 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
      8 - 6,00" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,93lbs / 49,41kg shells, 140 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,28lbs / 14,64kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 218 lbs / 2 367 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   433,07 ft / 132,00 m   9,65 ft / 2,94 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   137,80 ft / 42,00 m   8,28 ft / 2,52 m
     3,13 ft / 0,96 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3,54" / 90 mm   433,07 ft / 132,00 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 116 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   2,95" / 75 mm      9,84" / 250 mm
   2nd:   9,45" / 240 mm   2,97" / 75 mm      7,88" / 200 mm
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   4th:   0,80" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,56" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 1,20" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1,20" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 7,88" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 62 600 shp / 46 700 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 435 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
   702 - 913

Cost:
   £1,236 million / $4,943 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 101 tons, 7,0 %
      - Guns: 1 101 tons, 7,0 %
   Armour: 4 894 tons, 31,1 %
      - Belts: 2 425 tons, 15,4 %
      - Armament: 861 tons, 5,5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 373 tons, 8,7 %
      - Conning Towers: 235 tons, 1,5 %
   Machinery: 2 293 tons, 14,6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 116 tons, 32,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 991 tons, 12,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 347 tons, 2,2 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 150 tons
      - Above deck: 135 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22 274 lbs / 10 103 Kg = 44,5 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 2,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 4,2 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 15,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,606 / 0,613
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,55 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,96 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  22,11 ft / 6,74 m,  19,95 ft / 6,08 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  17,31 ft / 5,28 m,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m
      - Aft deck:   31,00 %,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m,  16,31 ft / 4,97 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,38 ft / 5,30 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 32 085 Square feet or 2 981 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 631 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,21
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform @ 26.67kts

Misc weight:
110t for 1914 Fire control
25t for Marconi
12t => 3 TT x 450 with 3 reloads
50t => for extra pump installation
50t for extra air ventilation
100t reserved

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"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf