Byzantine Empire 1918-1922

[TacCovert4]

Yeah, This 700t DD would probably be able to go toe to toe with the 1000t DD in a gunfight by virtue of the bigger guns.

I might suggest working 4x120 into your 1000t DD to give it the firepower to match with contemporary DDs.

[Jefgte]

...I might suggest working 4x120 into your 1000t DD to give it the firepower to match with contemporary DDs.

For a 79.8m Patrol Boat/DE build in an 80m shipyard, I am more interested with a long range wireless than an extra gun. Add 25t is huge when all the guns are already 44t ...
OTL => DE have lower firepower than DD.

[Jefgte]

With 25t Long Range Wireless...

TGB800, Byzantine Empire Colonial TGB laid down 1920

Displacement:
   800 t light; 839 t standard; 927 t normal; 998 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (262,14 ft / 262,14 ft) x 27,43 ft x (11,17 / 11,73 ft)
   (79,90 m / 79,90 m) x 8,36 m  x (3,41 / 3,58 m)

Armament:
      3 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,02lbs / 24,05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1920 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 173 lbs / 78 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 19 860 shp / 14 815 Kw = 29,64 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 159 tons (20% coal)

Complement:
   83 - 109

Cost:
   £0,239 million / $0,957 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 31 tons, 3,3 %
      - Guns: 31 tons, 3,3 %
   Armour: 5 tons, 0,6 %
      - Armament: 5 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 463 tons, 50,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 242 tons, 26,1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 127 tons, 13,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 59 tons, 6,4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 31 tons
      - Above deck: 28 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     256 lbs / 116 Kg = 4,9 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 12,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,43
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,404 / 0,414
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16,19 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  16,73 ft / 5,10 m,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  11,81 ft / 3,60 m
      - Average freeboard:      12,51 ft / 3,81 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 171,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 436 Square feet or 412 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 59 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 135 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 2,71
      - Overall: 0,59
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

3t for top mast rangefinder
25t for Long Range Marconi
12t for 1x3TTx21"
4t for forced ventilation
5t for Hydrophone
5t for 50x90kg DC
4t reserved

Trial speed: 31kts
Bonus: 1.36
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4x120 +1x76.2 & 1x3TTx21'' on a 80m hull, superstructures are very small...

TGB800, Byzantine Empire Colonial TGB laid down 1920

Displacement:
   800 t light; 844 t standard; 933 t normal; 1 004 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (262,14 ft / 262,14 ft) x 27,43 ft x (11,24 / 11,80 ft)
   (79,90 m / 79,90 m) x 8,36 m  x (3,43 / 3,60 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,02lbs / 24,05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1920 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 226 lbs / 102 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 20 150 shp / 15 032 Kw = 29,71 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 160 tons (20% coal)

Complement:
   83 - 109

Cost:
   £0,246 million / $0,984 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 40 tons, 4,3 %
      - Guns: 40 tons, 4,3 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0,7 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 466 tons, 50,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 247 tons, 26,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 133 tons, 14,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 4,3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 36 tons
      - Above deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     255 lbs / 116 Kg = 4,8 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
   Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 12,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,404 / 0,414
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16,19 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  16,73 ft / 5,10 m,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  11,81 ft / 3,60 m
      - Average freeboard:      12,51 ft / 3,81 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 174,0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 436 Square feet or 412 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 59 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 141 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 2,79
      - Overall: 0,59
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

3t for top mast rangefinder
12t for 1x3TTx21"
4t for forced ventilation
5t for Hydrophone
5t for 50x90kg DC
10t reserved

Trial speed: 31kts
Bonus: 1.29

[TacCovert4]

I think it comes down to what you want to do with it.  3 x 120 is sufficient, but will suffer against the larger fleet destroyers that'll be laid down concurrently or even some already in service.  4 x 120 will make a better fleet destroyer, but the lack of LR wireless may hamper colonial duties as the ship will rely on relays from ashore radio stations.

[Jefgte]

TGB890, Byzantine Empire Colonial TGB laid down 1918

Displacement:
   890 t light; 936 t standard; 1 038 t normal; 1 119 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (278,54 ft / 278,54 ft) x 28,87 ft x (11,18 / 11,75 ft)
   (84,90 m / 84,90 m) x 8,80 m  x (3,41 / 3,58 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,03lbs / 24,05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1918 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 226 lbs / 102 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 21 000 shp / 15 666 Kw = 29,79 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 183 tons (20% coal)

Complement:
   90 - 118

Cost:
   £0,229 million / $0,917 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 40 tons, 3,8 %
      - Guns: 40 tons, 3,8 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0,6 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 518 tons, 50,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 264 tons, 25,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 148 tons, 14,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 61 tons, 5,9 %
      - On freeboard deck: 32 tons
      - Above deck: 29 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     282 lbs / 128 Kg = 5,4 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
   Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 12,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,404 / 0,414
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,65 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16,69 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  16,73 ft / 5,10 m,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  12,14 ft / 3,70 m
      - Average freeboard:      12,54 ft / 3,82 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172,7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 962 Square feet or 461 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 61 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 141 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 2,23
      - Overall: 0,58
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4t for top mast rangefinder
25t for Long Range Marconi
12t for 1x3TTx21"
4t for forced ventilation
5t for Hydrophone
5t for 50x90kg DC
6t reserved

Trial speed: 31kts
Bonus: 1.36

[Desertfox]

How many different DD/TGB designs does Byzantium have...?

[Jefgte]

How many different DD/TGB designs does Byzantium have...?

8)
;)
DD=> 44 SS
TGB=> 66 SS

in 1917, 15 SS are really in the Fleet.
They are used in 3 categories:
- 32 Patrol boat from 500 to 900t, used in colonies
- 90 Destroyers from 500t to 1140t used in the High Sea Fleet
- 42 Torpedo boat  from 400t to 600t for coastal operations

[Jefgte]

Replacements of old TGBs used in colonies

TGB900, Byzantine Empire Colonial TGB laid down 1918

Displacement:
   900 t light; 946 t standard; 1 048 t normal; 1 130 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (278,54 ft / 278,54 ft) x 28,67 ft x (11,20 / 11,78 ft)
   (84,90 m / 84,90 m) x 8,74 m  x (3,42 / 3,59 m)

Armament:
      4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,02lbs / 24,05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      1 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal gun - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1918 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount
      2 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 226 lbs / 102 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 21 300 shp / 15 890 Kw = 29,83 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 184 tons (20% coal)

Complement:
   91 - 119

Cost:
   £0,231 million / $0,926 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 40 tons, 3,8 %
      - Guns: 40 tons, 3,8 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0,6 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 524 tons, 50,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 263 tons, 25,0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 149 tons, 14,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 67 tons, 6,4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 38 tons
      - Above deck: 29 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     279 lbs / 127 Kg = 5,3 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 12,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,410 / 0,420
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16,69 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  16,73 ft / 5,10 m,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Forward deck:   33,00 %,  13,78 ft / 4,20 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00 %,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   16,00 %,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m,  12,14 ft / 3,70 m
      - Average freeboard:      12,54 ft / 3,82 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 946 Square feet or 460 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 60 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 140 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 2,22
      - Overall: 0,58
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4t for top mast rangefinder
25t for Long Range Marconi
16t for 1x4TTx21"
4t for forced ventilation
5t for Hydrophone
5t for 50x90kg DC
8t reserved

Trial speed: 31kts
Bonus: 1.36

[Jefgte]

Looking Byzantine Fleet Management =>

500t TGBs - 1897-98-99 assigned to the colonies will be replaced by 500t DDs of class D3 - 1901-02 (24ships).

500t TGBs - 1897-98-99 => scrapp

Class TGB900t from 1918 is suspended.

More D9 - 1140t DDs built.

[TacCovert4]

So after all that planning, you're scrapping the idea?

[Jefgte]

So after all that planning, you're scrapping the idea?

Yes, I am giving up on the idea.

In 1917, Navies build destroyers from 1000t to 1500t (30kts).
Byzantium can no longer take 500t destroyers as sufficiently fast and powerful ships.
They are therefore downgraded to colonial patrol boats or coastal torpedo boats.
The 500t (21kts) TGBs from 1897-98-99 will soon be scrapped.
They will be replaced, for the colonial works, by 500t Torpedo Boats (25kts)1901-02-04.

=> In the 1918 classification, the DDs must do at least 750t.

That give for Byzance:
- 51 DDs from 750t to 1140t
- 81 TBs from 400 to 600t.

[Jefgte]

Kaiser wrote:

Jefgte has an annoying tendency to make tough ships.
The last..10? Parthian cruisers are 8x165mm, while the preceding had 10x165mm.  These Byzantine ships have comparable speed and armor and bigger guns. I'd have to go back to the Saka & Margaetae 180mm raider cruisers to really counter. So fielding these might lead to a Parthian reaction...like theCapharact light armored cruisers I've designed so many variations on.

but..this one has a flaw.

Sorry Jefgte,
this ship has turrets, and so needs 1.0 hull.

"Cruiser Architecture: For all years, Cruisers with turrets shall have a composite hull strength > 1.0."

On the other hand, you don't need to stick to 6000 tons as a result.

Due to weights, turrets are indeed likely necessary for the twin 191mm to be useful.

I think destroyers equipped with 2T2x102 or 2T2x120
=> this rule does not apply (?)[/b]

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_4-45_mk16.php

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_47-45_mk9.php

[TacCovert4]

Actually that's a twin mount.  Just like the 5in/38 twin.  Mount and hoist.  Even the US 8in mounts on Pensacola weren't turrets.   It was a weakness at that size, but it was a weight saving option.   Hence my 180 twin is a mount and hoist with additional power assist instead of a turret so I can get by without needing turrets on my weapon class cruisers. 

[Jefgte]

"Cruisers, always more cruisers"

Byzantium has 16 scout cruisers with a speed from 26 to 29kts. 2 others, C6 class were laid down in 1918.
They are very similar to the C5 class (5315t - 6x191+6x120 and 27kts).
Differences relate to the arrangement of the (classic) 6 x 191 arranged at the ends (ABC) (XYZ) B & X superfiring.
Speed also increased to 29kts, the range goes from 6500nm-12kts to 8000nm-12kts.

C6, Byzantine Empire C6 laid down 1918

Izmir - Itak

Displacement:
   5 550 t light; 5 817 t standard; 6 419 t normal; 6 901 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (505,25 ft / 505,25 ft) x 53,48 ft x (16,63 / 17,57 ft)
   (154,00 m / 154,00 m) x 16,30 m  x (5,07 / 5,35 m)

Armament:
      6 - 7,52" / 191 mm 45,0 cal guns - 214,42lbs / 97,26kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1918 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,18lbs / 24,12kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 200 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1 633 lbs / 741 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,54" / 90 mm   354,33 ft / 108,00 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Ends:   1,38" / 35 mm   147,64 ft / 45,00 m   9,00 ft / 2,74 m
     3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,76" / 70 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      2,17" / 55 mm
   3rd:   0,78" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,38" / 35 mm
   Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 2,76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 47 000 shp / 35 062 Kw = 29,09 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 084 tons (15% coal)

Complement:
   358 - 466

Cost:
   £1,145 million / $4,579 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 398 tons, 6,2 %
      - Guns: 398 tons, 6,2 %
   Armour: 1 139 tons, 17,7 %
      - Belts: 579 tons, 9,0 %
      - Armament: 77 tons, 1,2 %
      - Armour Deck: 436 tons, 6,8 %
      - Conning Towers: 47 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 1 719 tons, 26,8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 047 tons, 31,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 869 tons, 13,5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 247 tons, 3,8 %
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 152 tons
      - Above deck: 65 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 824 lbs / 2 642 Kg = 27,4 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 2,3 ft / 0,7 m
   Roll period: 14,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,500 / 0,509
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18,00 %,  21,65 ft / 6,60 m,  18,37 ft / 5,60 m
      - Forward deck:   32,00 %,  18,37 ft / 5,60 m,  14,76 ft / 4,50 m
      - Aft deck:   32,00 %,  14,76 ft / 4,50 m,  14,76 ft / 4,50 m
      - Quarter deck:   18,00 %,  14,76 ft / 4,50 m,  14,76 ft / 4,50 m
      - Average freeboard:      16,23 ft / 4,95 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150,1 %
   Waterplane Area: 18 002 Square feet or 1 672 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 82 lbs/sq ft or 401 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,87
      - Longitudinal: 1,14
      - Overall: 0,90
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

25t for Long Range Marconi
40t for top mast rangefinder - FC1913
30t for climatisation
30t for additionnal pumps
24t for 8TTx21"
80t for 2x40 minen
18t reserved

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The aeronautical officers have requested a lengthening of the ships in order to be able to maneuver the SHORT 184 seaplanes more easily. The hull has received an additional 10m module.
This made it possible to increase store volumes.
The class increase from 5200t to 5550t.

=> Rework Antalya class Seaplanes Transport from 5200t to 5550t - LD1919

These seaplane transports are also intended for working with battleships squadrons.
The role of seaplanes on land and on board is to locate and provide informations on enemy forces and their movements.
Assistance in adjusting shots.
Hunt enemy aerial reconnaissance.
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4 seaplanes transports formally in the Plan
- 1 for Marmara Fleet
- 1 for Atlantic Fleet
- 1 for Madagascar Fleet
- 1 for Australian Fleet
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Antalya - Adana - Azgar - Assiout, Byzantine Empire Sea Planes Transport laid down 1919

Displacement:
   5 550 t light; 5 722 t standard; 6 339 t normal; 6 833 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (547,90 ft / 547,90 ft) x 69,23 ft x (12,09 / 12,78 ft)
   (167,00 m / 167,00 m) x 21,10 m  x (3,68 / 3,90 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,02lbs / 24,05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,02lbs / 24,05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 300 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      8 - 0,30" / 7,7 mm 90,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 10 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 373 lbs / 169 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 24 000 shp / 17 904 Kw = 24,43 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 111 tons (20% coal)

Complement:
   354 - 461

Cost:
   £0,729 million / $2,914 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 67 tons, 1,1 %
      - Guns: 67 tons, 1,1 %
   Armour: 16 tons, 0,3 %
      - Armament: 16 tons, 0,3 %
   Machinery: 868 tons, 13,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 249 tons, 51,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 790 tons, 12,5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1 350 tons, 21,3 %
      - Hull below water: 225 tons
      - Hull above water: 253 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 840 tons
      - Above deck: 32 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     26 042 lbs / 11 813 Kg = 495,3 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 3,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
   Metacentric height 4,0 ft / 1,2 m
   Roll period: 14,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 96 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,484 / 0,493
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,91 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,41 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15,00 %,  20,01 ft / 6,10 m,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m
      - Forward deck:   17,50 %,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Aft deck:   50,00 %,  33,46 ft / 10,20 m,  33,46 ft / 10,20 m
      - Quarter deck:   17,50 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      25,38 ft / 7,74 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 56,9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 391,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 24 909 Square feet or 2 314 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 194 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 87 lbs/sq ft or 423 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,91
      - Longitudinal: 2,35
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

misc weight: 1350t
7t for Top Mast Rangefinder
25t for Long Range Marconi
28t for climatisation
850t for Hangar, repair workshop & 2 aft cranes
80t for 8 Float Planes SHORT 184
360t for Pilots, Air Personnel, armaments, Material & Petrol...

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Note:
Armament: 67 tons, 1,1% + Float planes =>
The class is not build with mercantile rules.