Design Competition for Iberian Warships circa 1914

[The Rock Doctor]

The same Parthian immigrant to Iberia unfortunately comes down with an illness, and while feverish attempts a large armored cruiser

Maybe Iberia should give this Partian immigrant citizenship and a lifetime supply of mind-altering substances

Oh he's probably an opium addled dreamer who doesn't believe in overly thick armor

Thick armor keeps the moonbeams out, man.

[Darman]

Is there any chance I could impinge upon your time and ask you to update this design with a few modifications incorporated? Namely the following:
     *incorporate twin 350/45 guns (I believe I mistakenly asked for 350/50 guns)
     *TDS sufficient to reflect recent lessons in torpedo warfare (I'm admittedly under-educated on TDS)
     *replace 75mm tertiary with 90mm/50 deck mounts
     *Misc weight: 250t, split between long range wireless, fire control, and 75t flagship facilities (remainder as spare)

Since Iberia very much has a RN flavor, here you have basically HMS Tiger tweaked to fit the specs.

Tigre, Iberia Battlecruiser laid down 1914

Displacement:
   25,990 t light; 27,585 t standard; 29,952 t normal; 31,846 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (705.29 ft / 700.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (32.00 / 33.55 ft)
   (214.97 m / 213.36 m) x 27.43 m  x (9.75 / 10.23 m)

Armament:
      8 - 13.78" / 350 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1,385.05lbs / 628.25kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.36lbs / 38.26kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1914 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 2.95" / 74.9 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.95lbs / 5.87kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 12,248 lbs / 5,556 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   530.00 ft / 161.54 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   170.00 ft / 51.82 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   530.00 ft / 161.54 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 116 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.00" / 25 mm   530.00 ft / 161.54 m   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 70.00 ft / 21.34 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.70" / 43 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.00" / 203 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 124,945 shp / 93,209 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,261 tons

Complement:
   1,137 - 1,479

Cost:
   £3.548 million / $14.191 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,305 tons, 7.7 %
      - Guns: 2,305 tons, 7.7 %
   Armour: 6,907 tons, 23.1 %
      - Belts: 3,219 tons, 10.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 471 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armament: 1,948 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,103 tons, 3.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 166 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 4,813 tons, 16.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,505 tons, 38.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,962 tons, 13.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 460 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 30 tons
      - Above deck: 230 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     36,320 lbs / 16,475 Kg = 27.8 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 4.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.90
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.520 / 0.527
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.78 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  30.00 ft / 9.14 m,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Aft deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      25.76 ft / 7.85 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 187.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 42,754 Square feet or 3,972 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 185 lbs/sq ft or 904 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.81
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

230t for 1908  FC
30t for Long-range wireless and flagship facilities
200t for Spare

[Desertfox]

Tigre, Iberia Battlecruiser laid down 1915

Displacement:
   25,500 t light; 27,121 t standard; 29,484 t normal; 31,375 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (705.29 ft / 700.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (31.50 / 33.05 ft)
   (214.97 m / 213.36 m) x 27.43 m  x (9.60 / 10.07 m)

Armament:
      8 - 13.78" / 350 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,319.48lbs / 598.51kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1915 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.36lbs / 38.26kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1915 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.54" / 89.9 mm 50.0 cal guns - 23.48lbs / 10.65kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1915 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 11,850 lbs / 5,375 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   510.00 ft / 155.45 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   190.00 ft / 57.91 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   510.00 ft / 155.45 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 112 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.50" / 38 mm   510.00 ft / 155.45 m   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 70.00 ft / 21.34 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.70" / 43 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.00" / 203 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 123,759 shp / 92,325 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 8,400nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,254 tons

Complement:
   1,124 - 1,462

Cost:
   £3.777 million / $15.108 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,033 tons, 6.9 %
      - Guns: 2,033 tons, 6.9 %
   Armour: 7,055 tons, 23.9 %
      - Belts: 3,159 tons, 10.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 679 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 1,948 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,103 tons, 3.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 164 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 4,688 tons, 15.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,295 tons, 38.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,984 tons, 13.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 430 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons
      - Above deck: 230 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     38,339 lbs / 17,390 Kg = 29.3 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 4.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.85
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.520 / 0.527
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.78 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  30.00 ft / 9.14 m,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Aft deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      25.76 ft / 7.85 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 189.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 42,754 Square feet or 3,972 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 182 lbs/sq ft or 886 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.79
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

230t for 1908  FC + LR Wireless
100t for Flagship Facilities
100t for Extra Damage Control

[Darman]

Looking for a foreign station ship that can service and maintain up to 2,000t small boat (MTB shipping), carry small boats or submarines up to 500t (think of it as a recovery mechanism for damaged vessels), and has 4x155mm/50 QF deck and hoist mounts behind protection, with either 75mm or 90mm secondary armament, and torpedo protection.  Speed between 18 and 20kts, 14kt cruise.  Range 6,000.  Does not need to meet mercantile requirements. 

Also looking for a late 1915 lay down destroyer design.  1,000t
Tech: 1908: triple TTs - max 12, displacement 1000t
2 triple torpedo tube mounts
multiple 90mm/50 QF deck mounts OR if you feel really daring, a single 155/50 QF deck and hoist forward plus 75mm/57mm QF secondaries.  Will have 1905 torpedo tech and 1908 Fire Control.  Should have a SR and LR radio set. 

Iberia will offer a $0.5 reward for winning design in both categories.  Payable 1916/1. 

[Desertfox]

Looking for a foreign station ship that can service and maintain up to 2,000t small boat (MTB shipping), carry small boats or submarines up to 500t (think of it as a recovery mechanism for damaged vessels), and has 4x155mm/50 QF deck and hoist mounts behind protection, with either 75mm or 90mm secondary armament, and torpedo protection.  Speed between 18 and 20kts, 14kt cruise.  Range 6,000.  Does not need to meet mercantile requirements. 

Just to clarify, capable of transporting boats up to 500t in size, or capable of transporting up to 500t total of small (say <100t) boats?

[Desertfox]

First shot at a destroyer with a big gun forward.

F-class, Iberia Destroyer laid down 1915

Displacement:
   921 t light; 953 t standard; 1,062 t normal; 1,150 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (310.00 ft / 310.00 ft) x 31.50 ft x (8.50 / 8.99 ft)
   (94.49 m / 94.49 m) x 9.60 m  x (2.59 / 2.74 m)

Armament:
      1 - 6.10" / 155 mm 50.0 cal gun - 120.29lbs / 54.56kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck and hoist mount, 1915 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline amidships (forward deck)
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1915 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      1 raised mount
     2 x Single mounts on sides forward
      Weight of broadside 172 lbs / 78 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.60" / 15 mm         -         0.60" / 15 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 21,233 shp / 15,840 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 197 tons

Complement:
   92 - 120

Cost:
   £0.177 million / $0.709 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 44 tons, 4.2 %
      - Guns: 44 tons, 4.2 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.2 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 532 tons, 50.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 301 tons, 28.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 142 tons, 13.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 42 tons, 4.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 37 tons
      - Above deck: 5 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     286 lbs / 130 Kg = 2.5 x 6.1 " / 155 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 12.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.448 / 0.458
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.84 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.61 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.50 ft / 4.11 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 174.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,219 Square feet or 578 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 59 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 139 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.73
      - Overall: 0.57
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

5t - 1908 FC
25t - LR + SR Wireless
12t - 6x 18" TT

[Desertfox]

El Burro, Iberia Foreign Station Ship laid down 1915

Displacement:
   3,574 t light; 3,735 t standard; 4,299 t normal; 4,751 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (400.00 ft / 400.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (11.00 / 11.93 ft)
   (121.92 m / 121.92 m) x 18.29 m  x (3.35 / 3.64 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.10" / 155 mm 50.0 cal guns - 120.29lbs / 54.56kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1915 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1915 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 533 lbs / 242 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.00" / 25 mm   200.00 ft / 60.96 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 50.00 ft / 15.24 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,842 shp / 5,104 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,016 tons

Complement:
   265 - 345

Cost:
   £0.312 million / $1.248 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 150 tons, 3.5 %
      - Guns: 150 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 123 tons, 2.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 111 tons, 2.6 %
      - Armament: 12 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 259 tons, 6.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,601 tons, 37.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 726 tons, 16.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1,440 tons, 33.5 %
      - Hull below water: 200 tons
      - Hull above water: 200 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 1,000 tons
      - Above deck: 40 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,159 lbs / 4,608 Kg = 89.4 x 6.1 " / 155 mm shells or 3.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.570 / 0.581
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.60 ft / 3.23 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 51.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 85.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 17,067 Square feet or 1,586 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 166 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 81 lbs/sq ft or 395 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.21
      - Longitudinal: 0.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

40t - LR wireless + FC
1000t - Cranes and space for 5 x 100t Submarines/Boats
200t - 2,000t of Out-of-port resupply
200t - Spare

[Darman]

Looking for a foreign station ship that can service and maintain up to 2,000t small boat (MTB shipping), carry small boats or submarines up to 500t (think of it as a recovery mechanism for damaged vessels), and has 4x155mm/50 QF deck and hoist mounts behind protection, with either 75mm or 90mm secondary armament, and torpedo protection.  Speed between 18 and 20kts, 14kt cruise.  Range 6,000.  Does not need to meet mercantile requirements. 

Just to clarify, capable of transporting boats up to 500t in size, or capable of transporting up to 500t total of small (say <100t) boats?

I was thinking capacity of carrying 2 or more smaller boats up to 250t, for 500t total carrying capacity.  Not certain if extra equipment would be required to carry multiple smaller vessels (for example 20 or 40t MTBs or 125t submarines) versus carrying fewer but larger vessels. 

[Desertfox]

In that case I need to redo the above ship as its only designed to handle up to 100t boats, since I based it on the Jingei class.

[Desertfox]

Based on a whaling ship, has a ramp in the back for up to 250t boats. Space for 2 x 250t, 4 x 100t, 8 x 40t or 12 x 20t. Cranes on side for up to 4 more 20/40t boats.

El Burro Maru, Iberia Foreign Station Ship laid down 1915

Displacement:
   4,068 t light; 4,211 t standard; 4,786 t normal; 5,246 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (400.00 ft / 400.00 ft) x 54.00 ft x (14.10 / 15.17 ft)
   (121.92 m / 121.92 m) x 16.46 m  x (4.30 / 4.62 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.10" / 155 mm 50.0 cal guns - 120.29lbs / 54.56kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1915 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      3 raised mounts
      6 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1915 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 559 lbs / 254 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.00" / 25 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 40.00 ft / 12.19 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 6,953 shp / 5,187 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,036 tons

Complement:
   287 - 374

Cost:
   £0.340 million / $1.359 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 155 tons, 3.2 %
      - Guns: 155 tons, 3.2 %
   Armour: 248 tons, 5.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 222 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armament: 26 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 263 tons, 5.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,533 tons, 32.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 718 tons, 15.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1,870 tons, 39.1 %
      - Hull below water: 370 tons
      - Hull above water: 1,000 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 400 tons
      - Above deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,572 lbs / 4,795 Kg = 93.0 x 6.1 " / 155 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 12.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.79

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.41 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 39
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.16 ft / 4.62 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,074 Square feet or 1,400 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 151 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 75 lbs/sq ft or 365 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

130t - LR Wireless, Flag accomodations
400t - Extra Accomodations
1000t - Ramp and accomodations for 500t of shippinbg
300t - 3,000t of Out-of-port resupply
70t - Electric Drive

[Darman]

I'm thinking of laying down some of these, anything that ought to be fixed?

First shot at a destroyer with a big gun forward.

F-class, Iberia Destroyer laid down 1915

Displacement:
   921 t light; 953 t standard; 1,062 t normal; 1,150 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (310.00 ft / 310.00 ft) x 31.50 ft x (8.50 / 8.99 ft)
   (94.49 m / 94.49 m) x 9.60 m  x (2.59 / 2.74 m)

Armament:
      1 - 6.10" / 155 mm 50.0 cal gun - 120.29lbs / 54.56kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck and hoist mount, 1915 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline amidships (forward deck)
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1915 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      1 raised mount
     2 x Single mounts on sides forward
      Weight of broadside 172 lbs / 78 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.60" / 15 mm         -         0.60" / 15 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 21,233 shp / 15,840 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 197 tons

Complement:
   92 - 120

Cost:
   £0.177 million / $0.709 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 44 tons, 4.2 %
      - Guns: 44 tons, 4.2 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.2 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 532 tons, 50.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 301 tons, 28.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 142 tons, 13.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 42 tons, 4.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 37 tons
      - Above deck: 5 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     286 lbs / 130 Kg = 2.5 x 6.1 " / 155 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 12.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.448 / 0.458
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.84 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.61 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.50 ft / 4.11 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 174.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,219 Square feet or 578 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 59 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 139 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.73
      - Overall: 0.57
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

5t - 1908 FC
25t - LR + SR Wireless
12t - 6x 18" TT

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm inclined to think that the 10' raised forecastle would impair gunnery forward since the main gun is at 3.05 metres.

[Darman]

I'm inclined to think that the 10' raised forecastle would impair gunnery forward since the main gun is at 3.05 metres.

Trying to make me do conversions in my head...i see how it is lol

What if the forward mount was a raised mount?

[Desertfox]

That was a mistake on my part, moving the gun forward fixes the issue.

[The Rock Doctor]

I didn't even notice that part of it, Foxy.  The gun would get moved to the forward deck and be at +10', while the forecastle would be at +20' in front of it. Making it a superfiring mount wound erase the elevation issue.

Alternately, maybe drop the forecastle height by 2', have a short forward deck of the same height, and then a longer aft deck at +10'.  Might average out the seakeeping and hull strength the same.