Design Competition for Iberian Warships circa 1914

Desertfox · November 17, 2020, 12:44:02 AM

Baleares class tweaked to fit the specs.

Iberia Cruiser laid down 1914

Displacement:
   4,525 t light; 4,710 t standard; 5,558 t normal; 6,236 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (430.00 ft / 430.00 ft) x 47.00 ft x (17.50 / 19.18 ft)
   (131.06 m / 131.06 m) x 14.33 m x (5.33 / 5.85 m)

Armament:
4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1914 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 896 lbs / 407 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   390.00 ft / 118.87 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 140 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.50" / 38 mm     -           -
   2nd:   1.50" / 38 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 2.00" / 51 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 54,071 shp / 40,337 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,525 tons

Complement:
   321 - 418

Cost:
   £0.678 million / $2.712 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 234 tons, 4.2 %
     - Guns: 234 tons, 4.2 %
   Armour: 549 tons, 9.9 %
     - Belts: 306 tons, 5.5 %
     - Armament: 40 tons, 0.7 %
     - Armour Deck: 190 tons, 3.4 %
     - Conning Tower: 14 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 2,083 tons, 37.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,578 tons, 28.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,033 tons, 18.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 80 tons, 1.4 %
     - On freeboard deck: 30 tons
     - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,027 lbs / 1,373 Kg = 36.2 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.563
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.15 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 71
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   32.00 %, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
     - Forward deck:   30.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
     - Aft deck:   23.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
     - Quarter deck:   15.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
     - Average freeboard:      17.56 ft / 5.35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,104 Square feet or 1,310 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 70 lbs/sq ft or 341 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.83
      - Longitudinal: 1.82
      - Overall: 0.90
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

50t - FC and LR Wireless
30t - Spare

The Rock Doctor · November 17, 2020, 07:58:04 AM

Here's a CL from a local Iberian genius. I see it's a lot bigger than Foxy's design.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1914

Displacement:
   5,340 t light; 5,563 t standard; 6,007 t normal; 6,362 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (488.00 ft / 479.00 ft) x 47.90 ft x (18.70 / 19.52 ft)
   (148.74 m / 146.00 m) x 14.60 m x (5.70 / 5.95 m)

Armament:
8 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 753 lbs / 342 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 126 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.79" / 20 mm        -
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.79" / 20 mm        -

- Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 0.98" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 2.95" / 75 mm, Aft 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 53,619 shp / 40,000 Kw = 30.29 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 799 tons

Complement:
   340 - 443

Cost:
   £0.692 million / $2.770 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 195 tons, 3.3 %
     - Guns: 195 tons, 3.3 %
   Armour: 932 tons, 15.5 %
     - Belts: 527 tons, 8.8 %
     - Armament: 84 tons, 1.4 %
     - Armour Deck: 278 tons, 4.6 %
     - Conning Towers: 42 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,065 tons, 34.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,965 tons, 32.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 667 tons, 11.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 182 tons, 3.0 %
     - Hull above water: 50 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 82 tons
     - Above deck: 50 tons
Fittings:
-20 t: FC
-25 t: L/R Wireless
-137 t: Whatever your heart desires. Mines. Command facilities. Sheep stable. Gymnasium. I won't judge you.

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,659 lbs / 2,113 Kg = 55.6 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.490 / 0.497
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.89 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 21.33 ft / 6.50 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     - Forward deck:   30.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     - Aft deck:   35.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     - Quarter deck:   15.00 %, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     - Average freeboard:      16.80 ft / 5.12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,150 Square feet or 1,407 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 389 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.58
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room

The Rock Doctor · November 17, 2020, 08:23:26 AM

I'll look at a BC this evening.

Darman · November 17, 2020, 10:02:01 AM

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on November 17, 2020, 07:58:04 AM
Sheep stable

You know those Algerian and Catalonian sheepherders....they get very lonely on long sea voyages

Darman · November 17, 2020, 10:12:17 AM

Also, I was looking at what I had for guns (to answer previous questions about the exact type of guns and mounts available).

Iberia will have a 400mm/45cal triple turret on barbette mount available in 1915/2 (basically when I'm looking to lay down a new battleship class and a new battlecruiser class). Currently Iberia has access to 350mm/45cal (1910) on a triple turret/barbette mount.

Secondary Armament
155mm/50 QF single deck/hoist and casemate mounts (new 1915/1)
140/45 QF single deck and casemate mounts (1904)
105/50 BL single deck and casemate mounts (1905)
90/50 QF single deck mount (new 1915/1)

Desertfox · November 17, 2020, 10:38:09 AM

The 350mm is only available in triple mounts?

Darman · November 17, 2020, 11:17:03 AM

Quote from: Desertfox on November 17, 2020, 10:38:09 AM
The 350mm is only available in triple mounts?

Correct. I could probably research it as a twin and have it be completed by 1915/1. Which might be preferable.

The Rock Doctor · November 17, 2020, 11:20:50 AM

Yeah, I did the same thing - claimed as my free turret the most expensive and time consuming model I expected to use. Then developed a cheaper twin after.

Desertfox · November 17, 2020, 11:22:26 AM

Let me know what you prefer, I can modify the designs as you see fit.

Cheap, fast pocket battleship style battlecruiser using triples.

Tigre, Iberia Battlecruiser laid down 1914

Displacement:
   21,432 t light; 22,677 t standard; 24,804 t normal; 26,505 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (705.29 ft / 700.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (26.50 / 27.89 ft)
   (214.97 m / 213.36 m) x 27.43 m x (8.08 / 8.50 m)

Armament:
6 - 13.78" / 350 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,319.48lbs / 598.51kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.36lbs / 38.26kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1914 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 2.95" / 74.9 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.95lbs / 5.87kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 9,085 lbs / 4,121 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   515.00 ft / 156.97 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   185.00 ft / 56.39 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.00" / 25 mm   515.00 ft / 156.97 m   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 70.00 ft / 21.34 m

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.70" / 43 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 8.00" / 203 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 111,684 shp / 83,316 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,828 tons

Complement:
   987 - 1,284

Cost:
   £2.732 million / $10.928 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,555 tons, 6.3 %
     - Guns: 1,555 tons, 6.3 %
   Armour: 5,669 tons, 22.9 %
     - Belts: 3,046 tons, 12.3 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 457 tons, 1.8 %
     - Armament: 916 tons, 3.7 %
     - Armour Deck: 1,103 tons, 4.4 %
     - Conning Tower: 147 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 4,302 tons, 17.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,516 tons, 38.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,372 tons, 13.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 390 tons, 1.6 %
     - Hull below water: 100 tons
     - Hull above water: 100 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 30 tons
     - Above deck: 160 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     32,986 lbs / 14,962 Kg = 25.2 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 4.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 6.3 ft / 1.9 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.520 / 0.528
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.78 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
     - Forward deck:   20.00 %, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
     - Aft deck:   45.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
     - Quarter deck:   15.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
     - Average freeboard:      23.04 ft / 7.02 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 182.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 42,754 Square feet or 3,972 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 795 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.46
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

160t for 1908 FC
30t for Long-range wireless and flagship facilities
200t for Spare

The Rock Doctor · November 17, 2020, 04:56:20 PM

EL G-3. I suppose maybe those forward secondaries would be better off in hull casemates, but that's a minor change.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1914

Displacement:
   26,355 t light; 27,806 t standard; 28,997 t normal; 29,950 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (654.64 ft / 649.61 ft) x 95.14 ft x (29.86 / 30.63 ft)
   (199.53 m / 198.00 m) x 29.00 m x (9.10 / 9.34 m)

Armament:
9 - 13.78" / 350 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,319.35lbs / 598.45kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     1 x Triple mount on centreline, forward deck aft
16 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1914 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 13,407 lbs / 6,081 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   433.07 ft / 132.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   216.50 ft / 65.99 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.97" / 50 mm   405.18 ft / 123.50 m   27.10 ft / 8.26 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 88.58 ft / 27.00 m

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.7" / 400 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.79" / 20 mm        -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.79" / 20 mm        -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 131,367 shp / 98,000 Kw = 30.04 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,145 tons

Complement:
   1,110 - 1,444

Cost:
   £3.578 million / $14.313 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,293 tons, 7.9 %
     - Guns: 2,293 tons, 7.9 %
   Armour: 7,570 tons, 26.1 %
     - Belts: 2,603 tons, 9.0 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 800 tons, 2.8 %
     - Armament: 2,344 tons, 8.1 %
     - Armour Deck: 1,584 tons, 5.5 %
     - Conning Tower: 240 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 5,060 tons, 17.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,029 tons, 38.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,643 tons, 9.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 402 tons, 1.4 %
     - Hull above water: 100 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 252 tons
     - Above deck: 50 tons
Fittings:
-229 t: Fire Control
-25 t: L/R Wireless
-148 t: Hey, man, like, whatever.

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     32,206 lbs / 14,608 Kg = 24.6 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 4.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 16.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.554
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.83 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 28.54 ft / 8.70 m, 23.62 ft / 7.20 m
     - Forward deck:   30.00 %, 23.62 ft / 7.20 m, 23.62 ft / 7.20 m
     - Aft deck:   35.00 %, 23.62 ft / 7.20 m, 23.62 ft / 7.20 m
     - Quarter deck:   15.00 %, 23.62 ft / 7.20 m, 23.62 ft / 7.20 m
     - Average freeboard:      24.02 ft / 7.32 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 174.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 43,134 Square feet or 4,007 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 189 lbs/sq ft or 922 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 1.93
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Kaiser Kirk · November 18, 2020, 10:20:28 PM

Quote from: Desertfox on November 17, 2020, 12:44:02 AM
Baleares class tweaked to fit the specs.

Armament:
4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1914 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 896 lbs / 407 kg

10 x 140mm breechloaders in deck mounts weighs : 127
10 x 140mm quickfires in deck mounts weights : 145

It's only 18tons and so only 1.8t per gun, but folks (more than just Fox) really need to pick the right choice.
If it's missed until a fight, I'll use what's official, not what was intended.

Kaiser Kirk · November 18, 2020, 10:36:56 PM

Designed as a fast, lightly armored scout cruiser by an Parthian immigrant to Iberia. .

The gun layout is Parthian
with 4 guns Fore/aft, and two 2-gun arrays amidships.
This gives 6 guns bearing forward/aft and 6 guns on broadside, but only 4 aft.
75mm guns are superimposed above the 140mm battery, 2 fore/aft, and 3 on each broadside. These serve as a last ditch weapon.

Fitted with a protective deck, 80mm on the slopes, and 30mm on the crown.
All 140mm guns are Mount and Hoists, with armored hoist stalks. They are armored at 50mm on the face & stalk , and 30mm splinter protection in the other directions.

Range is 9100nm at 10knots, sufficient for long cruises of the sealanes.

Misc Weight :
50t - Construction Reserve
25t - LR Radio
21t - Fire Control
24t - Torpedoes (Type/Number depending on torpedo tech, could be augmented from Construction reserve. )
25t - Extra Pumps

This vessel has enough armor a 150mm shell won't shred the engines through the protective deck,
and the protective deck it can probably reject them at over 10,000m.
Individual mounts feature hoists (as they should*) and armor

Armor can always be lessened to 35mm on the slopes and 20mm on the crown of the protective deck if desired.
Since the hull is crammed full of engines and ammunition, survivability is 4,316 lbs , which is acceptable all and all

*From Ship design guidelines :
Hoists
Protected cruisers should have hoists with the gun mounts, if the appropriate technology has been researched. Destroyers of WWI had no hoists for individual guns. A cruiser without hoists has a lower sustained rate of fire, and is more vulnerable due to the ammo exposed on the deck.

Zorro, Iberia Scout Cruiser laid down 1914

Displacement:
   5,000 t light; 5,198 t standard; 5,681 t normal; 6,068 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (482.28 ft / 475.72 ft) x 49.21 ft x (15.58 / 16.42 ft)
   (147.00 m / 145.00 m) x 15.00 m x (4.75 / 5.00 m)

Armament:
4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.78lbs / 38.00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.78lbs / 38.00kg shells, 175 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 13.23lbs / 6.00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 776 lbs / 352 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   404.36 ft / 123.25 m   12.01 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 131 % of normal length

- Hull void:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   1.18" / 30 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   1.18" / 30 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0.51" / 13 mm     -           -

- Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 51,703 shp / 38,571 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 9,100nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 870 tons

Complement:
   326 - 425

Cost:
   £0.667 million / $2.667 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 204 tons, 3.6 %
     - Guns: 204 tons, 3.6 %
   Armour: 835 tons, 14.7 %
     - Belts: 377 tons, 6.6 %
     - Armament: 86 tons, 1.5 %
     - Armour Deck: 359 tons, 6.3 %
     - Conning Tower: 14 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 1,992 tons, 35.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,824 tons, 32.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 681 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 145 tons, 2.6 %
     - Hull below water: 25 tons
     - Hull void weights: 50 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 24 tons
     - Above deck: 46 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,316 lbs / 1,958 Kg = 51.6 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 12.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.545 / 0.553
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   10.00 %, 23.95 ft / 7.30 m, 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
     - Forward deck:   55.00 %, 21.49 ft / 6.55 m, 19.03 ft / 5.80 m
     - Aft deck:   30.00 %, 10.83 ft / 3.30 m, 10.83 ft / 3.30 m
     - Quarter deck:   5.00 %, 10.83 ft / 3.30 m, 11.65 ft / 3.55 m
     - Average freeboard:      17.20 ft / 5.24 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 126.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 160.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,262 Square feet or 1,511 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 74 lbs/sq ft or 362 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.86
      - Longitudinal: 1.32
      - Overall: 0.90
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Kaiser Kirk · November 18, 2020, 11:15:41 PM

The same Parthian immigrant to Iberia unfortunately comes down with an illness, and while feverish attempts a large armored cruiser with armor sufficient to thwart a Norse Armored Cruiser, well the older ones. The newest had 250mm guns - like Wilno, the Byzantines, Parthians, and others.

While 195mm was felt adequate against 225mm shells at 10,000m, the armor is 210mm thick.
As a result, the armor is a little thicker than minimal for 225, and the belt is backed by a protective deck. The belt rises far enough above the protective deck that a shell should not arc over the top and impact the slopes, so the combination is fairly robust and should defeat all known armored cruiser rounds. Now actual big guns... that's a different story.

Splinter protection is at 40mm to defeat 225mm splinters. The crown of the citadel protective deck is 55mm, which should defeat up to 330mm splinters.

There is a TDS. Behind hull, a 1.5m deep void compartment, followed by a thin divider of mild steel, 9mm wide, which separates the outboard void compartment from the 1.5m internal oil filled comparment, both are backed by a pair of twinned 19mm armor steel plates set back 3m.

Still, at 26,500tons, the Knight of La Mancha is not huge, and it is very fast...and very long.

Caballero de la Mancha, Iberian Large Armored Cruiser laid down 1914

Displacement:
   26,498 t light; 28,124 t standard; 30,546 t normal; 32,484 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (670.55 ft / 662.73 ft) x 95.14 ft x (27.89 / 29.35 ft)
   (204.38 m / 202.00 m) x 29.00 m x (8.50 / 8.94 m)

Armament:
9 - 13.78" / 350 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,322.77lbs / 600.00kg shells, 122 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
     3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.78lbs / 38.00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1914 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts - superfiring
10 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.78lbs / 38.00kg shells, 190 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1914 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 13.23lbs / 6.00kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 13,572 lbs / 6,156 kg

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.27" / 210 mm   516.93 ft / 157.56 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   1.57" / 40 mm   145.77 ft / 44.43 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     Main Belt covers 120 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.50" / 38 mm   516.93 ft / 157.56 m   26.31 ft / 8.02 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 75.46 ft / 23.00 m

- Hull void:
      0.00" / 0 mm   358.27 ft / 109.20 m   21.78 ft / 6.64 m

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.27" / 210 mm   5.12" / 130 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   2.95" / 75 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   4th:   0.31" / 8 mm     -           -

- Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.17" / 55 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 8.27" / 210 mm, Aft 1.57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 137,427 shp / 102,520 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,361 tons

Complement:
   1,154 - 1,501

Cost:
   £3.677 million / $14.709 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,843 tons, 9.3 %
     - Guns: 2,843 tons, 9.3 %
   Armour: 7,085 tons, 23.2 %
     - Belts: 2,443 tons, 8.0 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 753 tons, 2.5 %
     - Armament: 1,855 tons, 6.1 %
     - Armour Deck: 1,826 tons, 6.0 %
     - Conning Towers: 207 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 5,294 tons, 17.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,867 tons, 35.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,048 tons, 13.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 410 tons, 1.3 %
     - Hull void weights: 100 tons
     - Above deck: 310 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     36,768 lbs / 16,678 Kg = 28.1 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 4.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 6.7 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.608 / 0.614
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.97 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   12.00 %, 29.20 ft / 8.90 m, 28.38 ft / 8.65 m
     - Forward deck:   43.00 %, 28.38 ft / 8.65 m, 27.56 ft / 8.40 m
     - Aft deck:   35.00 %, 19.36 ft / 5.90 m, 19.36 ft / 5.90 m
     - Quarter deck:   10.00 %, 19.36 ft / 5.90 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
     - Average freeboard:      24.26 ft / 7.40 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 184.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 46,463 Square feet or 4,317 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 185 lbs/sq ft or 903 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.62
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Miscellaneous Weight :
285t Fire control 1910
25t LR radio
100t (void) construction reserve.

+8.4m Forecastle deck
+5.9m Weather Deck,
+3.4m Gun Deck
+2.0 Top of main belt
+0.9m Main Deck, Crown Protective Deck 55mm
-1.61m 2nd Deck, Bottom of main belt, lower edge of protective deck.
-2.0m Bottom Main Belt
-4.11m 1st Deck
-7.61m : Engineering deck (3.5m high)

Darman · November 19, 2020, 11:30:07 AM

Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on November 18, 2020, 11:15:41 PM
The same Parthian immigrant to Iberia unfortunately comes down with an illness, and while feverish attempts a large armored cruiser

Maybe Iberia should give this Partian immigrant citizenship and a lifetime supply of mind-altering substances

Kaiser Kirk · November 19, 2020, 02:33:07 PM

Quote from: Darman on November 19, 2020, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on November 18, 2020, 11:15:41 PM
The same Parthian immigrant to Iberia unfortunately comes down with an illness, and while feverish attempts a large armored cruiser

Maybe Iberia should give this Partian immigrant citizenship and a lifetime supply of mind-altering substances

Oh he's probably an opium addled dreamer who doesn't believe in overly thick armor