Design Competition for Iberian Warships circa 1914

[Darman]

Iberia is going to be looking for designs for battleships, battlecruisers, heavy commerce raiders, destroyers, destroyer leaders, and command warships (i.e. lots of radio and fire control and light Anti-MB/Anti-DD guns for colonial defense duties).  I will post in the next few days what the specifics are. 

[Kaiser Kirk]

Whoo hoo !
Iberia lives !
...
More things to sink !

[Desertfox]

*warming up SS3*

How does 20" guns, 37kts, and zero armor sound?

[Darman]

*warming up SS3*

How does 20" guns, 37kts, and zero armor sound?

Sounds like the proverbial eggshell carrying a sledgehammer...what'll it cost me?  ;D

[Desertfox]

Just drop off an envelope of unmarked non-sequential submarines at the rendezvous spot...

[Darman]

Just drop off an envelope of unmarked non-sequential submarines at the rendezvous spot...

Consider it done... the most advanced submarines Iberia has...

[Kaiser Kirk]

Set to the tune of "I've got this sinking feeling"

[The Rock Doctor]

*warming up SS3*

How does 20" guns, 37kts, and zero armor sound?

Sounds courageous.  Maybe even glorious.

[Darman]

Set to the tune of "I've got this sinking feeling"

Hey now!  Screen doors are standard on Iberian submarines! we want to see the glory of previous Iberian fleets up close and personal!

[TacCovert4]

*warming up SS3*

How does 20" guns, 37kts, and zero armor sound?

Sounds courageous.  Maybe even glorious.

Definitely Furious

[Kaiser Kirk]

Set to the tune of "I've got this sinking feeling"

Hey now!  Screen doors are standard on Iberian submarines! we want to see the glory of previous Iberian fleets up close and personal!

Even the Parthians have heard tales of how deep the Iberians go, and that they hold records for how long they stay down !

[Darman]

Set to the tune of "I've got this sinking feeling"

Hey now!  Screen doors are standard on Iberian submarines! we want to see the glory of previous Iberian fleets up close and personal!

Even the Parthians have heard tales of how deep the Iberians go, and that they hold records for how long they stay down !

Records that have never been beaten!

[Darman]

Iberia is entertaining design offers for:

Battlecruiser
     350mm/50cal primary armament
     140mm/45cal secondary
     75mm tertiary
     8,000nm range
     30kts top speed
     armor belt sufficient to defend against medium (sub 225mm) fire
Screen Cruiser
     30kts
     8,000nm range
     140mm primary armament
     75mm secondary
     armor belt sufficient to protect against light (sub 105mm) fire

[Kaiser Kirk]

Questions :
The 350mm come in ...Twin/2-gun/triple/3-gun... ? ? ? ?
Are Twin / 2 Gun 140mm an option?
Laydown year is...1914?
8000nm range at...X knots?

Comments
As for

armor belt sufficient to defend against medium (sub 225mm) fire

For a 255mm @ 850m/s, with a 1910 capped, that is going to be roughly about 195mm at 10,000m, and 130mm at 14,000m (current FC limit)

To stop splinters from a 225mm shell, deck needs to be at least : 225/6 = 38mm

armor belt sufficient to protect against light (sub 105mm) fire

For a 105mm @ 900m/s, with a 1910 capped,  that is going to be roughly about 35mm at 10,000m, and 15mm at 14,000m (current FC limit)

To stop splinters from a 105mm shell, deck needs to be at least : 17mm.

Bonus
Each Player  that submits 1 or more design meeting the specs gets $1 in HY1, 1915.
Extra designs do not get extra $

If a player wants to participate, but for diplomatic reasons (or their country lacks the techs) doesn't want the nation attached, that's fine with me.
We'll count that as 'Iberian Genius'.

Guests (Lurkers) are welcome to submit "Iberian" designs.

[Desertfox]

Since Iberia very much has a RN flavor, here you have basically HMS Tiger tweaked to fit the specs.

Tigre, Iberia Battlecruiser laid down 1914

Displacement:
   25,990 t light; 27,585 t standard; 29,952 t normal; 31,846 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (705.29 ft / 700.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (32.00 / 33.55 ft)
   (214.97 m / 213.36 m) x 27.43 m  x (9.75 / 10.23 m)

Armament:
      8 - 13.78" / 350 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1,385.05lbs / 628.25kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.36lbs / 38.26kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1914 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 2.95" / 74.9 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.95lbs / 5.87kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 12,248 lbs / 5,556 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   530.00 ft / 161.54 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   170.00 ft / 51.82 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   530.00 ft / 161.54 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 116 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.00" / 25 mm   530.00 ft / 161.54 m   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 70.00 ft / 21.34 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.70" / 43 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.00" / 203 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 124,945 shp / 93,209 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,261 tons

Complement:
   1,137 - 1,479

Cost:
   £3.548 million / $14.191 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,305 tons, 7.7 %
      - Guns: 2,305 tons, 7.7 %
   Armour: 6,907 tons, 23.1 %
      - Belts: 3,219 tons, 10.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 471 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armament: 1,948 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,103 tons, 3.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 166 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 4,813 tons, 16.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,505 tons, 38.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,962 tons, 13.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 460 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 30 tons
      - Above deck: 230 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     36,320 lbs / 16,475 Kg = 27.8 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 4.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.90
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.520 / 0.527
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.78 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  30.00 ft / 9.14 m,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Aft deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      25.76 ft / 7.85 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 187.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 42,754 Square feet or 3,972 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 185 lbs/sq ft or 904 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.81
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

230t for 1908  FC
30t for Long-range wireless and flagship facilities
200t for Spare