General Social/Chatter Thread

[TacCovert4]

And now Shirin is forging her own path.  Or potentially blending paths with a different players character.

[The Rock Doctor]

How wide do you reckon a carrier would need to be in order to have parallel landing and launching decks?  Assuming there's an island running down the centreline.  Sixty feet on each deck, plus the island width?

[Kaiser Kirk]

How wide do you reckon a carrier would need to be in order to have parallel landing and launching decks?  Assuming there's an island running down the centreline.  Sixty feet on each deck, plus the island width?

I think looking at some of the smaller Escort and Light carriers to see the minimum beam.
I expect the width on landing is more critical to allow drift in crosswinds.

I believe the Independence class was felt cramped, I know the extra 8ft beam of the Saipans was viewed as desirable.
Ryujo was meant to be small as possible as well, and might be a decent model as she was designed during the biplane age. She was 20m at beam and 23m on flight deck.
Independence was 21.8 beam, but 20.3 waterline beam (sans bulges), and 33.3 'flight deck and projections'.
So guessing the Ryujo is a better base. 
Could simply double it, or plan on some 'overlap'... on which I have no idea.

Howev

[Jefgte]

How wide do you reckon a carrier would need to be in order to have parallel landing and launching decks?...

Landing 22m, launching 18m => 40m minimum
Built IJN Shinano  ;)

[The Rock Doctor]

Playing with the armament on a carrier design, the light displacement suddenly drops 2,000 t and the hull strength plummets to 0.77.

Yet I haven't changed the hull dimensions, and the armament is reasonable enough.  What have I done?

Oh, there it is, each of the sixteen 50mm guns has a magazine of 51,000 rounds.  That'll do it.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Oh, there it is, each of the sixteen 50mm guns has a magazine of 51,000 rounds.  That'll do it.

Figure 2.5kg / round, you added 127.5 mt per gun, for 2,040mt...a destroyer's worth of ammo !!

[The Rock Doctor]

I decided that was possibly excessive.

[Kaiser Kirk]

I dunno, if you could figure out how to fire it all at once you are sure to hit something.

Try 51,000 barrels and 1 round of ammo...

[The Rock Doctor]

I feel like simming that just to see what the recoil rating is.

[The Rock Doctor]

I feel like simming that just to see what the recoil rating is.

I'm intrigued that the recoil is above 1.00, but there is no warning while the accommodation/working spaces is supposedly excellent.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1928

Displacement:
   65,270 t light; 66,756 t standard; 68,864 t normal; 70,550 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (984.25 ft / 984.25 ft) x 114.83 ft x (32.81 / 33.49 ft)
   (300.00 m / 300.00 m) x 35.00 m  x (10.00 / 10.21 m)

Armament:
      51000 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.85lbs / 1.74kg shells, 1 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model
     25500 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 196,171 lbs / 88,982 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 45,284 shp / 33,782 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,794 tons

Complement:
   2,125 - 2,763

Cost:
   £51.521 million / $206.084 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 36,353 tons, 52.8 %
   Armour: 14,201 tons, 20.6 %
      - Armament: 14,201 tons, 20.6 %
   Machinery: 1,410 tons, 2.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,306 tons, 19.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,594 tons, 5.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     37,549 lbs / 17,032 Kg = 347.7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 10.7 ft / 3.2 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.86
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.652
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 31.37 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 26 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  34.51 ft / 10.52 m,  21.95 ft / 6.69 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.95 ft / 6.69 m,  21.95 ft / 6.69 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  21.95 ft / 6.69 m,  21.95 ft / 6.69 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  21.95 ft / 6.69 m,  21.95 ft / 6.69 m
      - Average freeboard:      22.95 ft / 7.00 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 138.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 170.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 86,581 Square feet or 8,044 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 56 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 315 lbs/sq ft or 1,537 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.45
      - Overall: 1.01
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Kaiser Kirk]

I feel like simming that just to see what the recoil rating is.

I'm intrigued that the recoil is above 1.00, but there is no warning while the accommodation/working spaces is supposedly excellent.

Well, the recoil is 1.86, but I presume that means if they all fired on the same beam.
As long as you ensure that 25,500 fire one way, and at least 21930 fire the otherway,
should be fine....right ? Then flip the ship around and you have 3,570 barrels left to go !

And of course the accommodation is fine.. wait...no that doesn't make sense at all.
Or how about the 25,500 twin guns and 2125-2763 crew...

I am also bemused the ship has 20.6% displacement in armor...in the 20mm gun shields.

[The Rock Doctor]

I suppose the guns shooting to port cancel out the recoil of the guns shooting to starboard.

[TacCovert4]

I have done an updated OOB for the Sultanate. I have the OOB updated to what it will be January 1929.  264 ships and submarines in active service in January 1929

[Kaiser Kirk]

I have done an updated OOB for the Sultanate. I have the OOB updated to what it will be January 1929.  264 ships and submarines in active service in January 1929

Nice.
I will get there...really....truely...

[The Rock Doctor]

Just found this old sketch and damn she'd have been pretty.