General Social/Chatter Thread

[Jefgte]

...So a 90mm AA gun really isn't going to be a good surface gun, it has the punch but not the fire control to be truly effective...

From Capital ship architecture

...1926: Primitive DP secondary batteries
1932: Improved DP Secondary batteries. De-Capping plates
1940: Advanced DP Secondary batteries.
1946: Automatic Secondary Guns

This could be identical for AA guns in Anti Surface use.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Correct,
Once you get Dual-purpose mountings, - which are a separate toggle on SS- then the guns can be used against either.
Fire control and fusing systems provided, ammo feeds - are assumed to cover both options.

Currently, no one has DP guns.

So Tac's version should be correct.
Most- not all - AA / HA mountings could be depressed to fire against surface targets. But you're not going to be integrated into the overall FC for it.

My understanding is  QF / LA mountings had issues with room for recoil and loading at the breech when elevated, were not designed to elevate much,
and weren't equipped with AA sights/ FC.  They can certainly fire at planes they can bear on, but it's unlikely to be effective.

[Kaiser Kirk]

In your rules,
I would like to know if you consider that an AA gun, the 76.2 for example, is also anti-surface?

Or is there a barrier in the use of weapons?
AA is only AA.

Sorry, missed this earlier post in the design thread.

The tech tree and Springsharp both place 'dual purpose' guns
as a separate category, in this case being researchable later.

Guns before that can be QF/BL or AA.

"Machine Guns" are presumed to be light and flexible and short ranged enough to be used for either.

Non-AA guns will not engage Aerial targets with very limited exceptions. 

example : Main / secondary guns might be used to make splashes vs. torpedo planes - historically used.

Since there was otherwise virtually no AA,  was allowing Fox's rotary 2" to shoot at Mayan planes, but at a severe penalty. There's 25mm MGs on some ships, but nothing else. 25mm can really only be used for self defense. The lack of a decent mid/heavy AA weapon was an issue with warding off the Mayan aircraft.

Likewise the Mayans had light guns which seemed best suited for AA, not QF, so I treated those as AA. The planned FC refit pre-war
would have been the opportunity to swap out/upgrade those deck guns.

A gun tabbed as "Anti-Aircraft' will generally not be used to fire against surface targets.
The exception would be as a 'close in' weapon, using the sights on the weapon.
This would be equivalent to the 1905 fire control, which has very limited effective range.

A 'Dual-purpose' gun would be used for engaging vs. surface or aerial targets
and is integrated into the ships fire control for both.

[Kaiser Kirk]

This is an interesting article, but I rather suspect the author 'cherry picks' data to
present things in the most favorable light.  For example, the Musashi's sinking
is discounted, but it's being the focus of concentrated attacks and so helping the rest
is not really made clear.

I expect the numbers are right, I've done such things as to figure the hit % on
Task Force Z myself.  I just think that it may be a bit biased.

Still, it's an interesting bit.

https://www.navygeneralboard.com/aaa-umbrella-vs-rain-of-bombs-naval-anti-aircraft-vs-aircraft-in-world-war-ii/


on a completely unrelated matter : I've long found this article on the IJN torpedo hit rate interesting.
There's a chart at the very bottom of the article thats nifty.
It puts success in terms of #tube:hit, while the text above discusses the individual fight.
For example the battle of Java sea, the IJN made something like 164 torpedo launches for 3 hits, which shows on the chart as 54.67:1.

You can see that in general rates declined during the war, the Long Lance had the additional advantage that in the earliest battles, the ships did not realize they were in range and being attacked, then there were some good hit rates in night fights as well, but when ships knew they were under attack, hit rates dropped.
battles like

http://navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-067.php

[Kaiser Kirk]

Harking back to my days as the Netherlands in Wesworld,
the Floatplane Destroyer :

https://forummarine.forumactif.com/t8518-destroyers-neerlandais

As for class Stats :
https://www.netherlandsnavy.nl

[snip]

In my quest to make Orders of Battle much less painful, I have managed to nerd snipe myself into creating an Access database for hosting my fleet information. If/When I finish it, I'll accept any pocket protectors you may have.

[The Rock Doctor]

Your Nerd Fu is strong, no doubt.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Heh,
New term to me, works for me, doubt I'll use it to replace 'squirrel !' as an explanation.

Sadly my encyclopedia and other things are stuck at HY1 1922.
I've just started moving ships from my ship thread to the encyclopedia.
I've already discovered that instead of the 14000t FDC posted, I lay down my 14500 ton version...which would be among
the designs that went missing consolidating my laptop and primary computer... I apparently failed to transfer them.
...

So, yeah, I'll get to my OOB...soon...yep, soon. Like ya know, soon !

[The Rock Doctor]

Storm-related power outage, won't be on much for a day or more.

[The Rock Doctor]

At least I've got the generator up and going again.

Would hate to think that catastrophic spring storms are the new normal around here.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Power is good... we're getting a good soaking, kinda like the 90s, but the utility has done a ton of tree work, so main town hasn't lost power except flickers.

[TacCovert4]

Looks out window.   

Glorious English weather this weekend.

[The Rock Doctor]

I decided to post an updated (as of 1925) naval infrastructure list in my encyclopedia; lo and behold, my turn sheets had somehow lost three drydocks (a 150 and two 100s) over the course of time.  So it was worthwhile, just not how I thought it would be.

[Jefgte]

I update "Where are they" the latest is from 1918.
&, I start to work to 1926H2.

[Kaiser Kirk]

I had really hoped to get my OOB and Tech and gunnery tables updated this past weekend,
but I had an unexpected crush of things to do which sapped both time and energy.
Which I'm now mostly through.

I've got vacation in June, but will take my Laptop and should be able to chip away on things
and stay involved.