Iberia (third time's the charm)

Started by Darman, March 25, 2020, 02:32:54 AM

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Darman

Given the need to catch up I'm strictly using olekit's old designs for everything prior to 1907. but I wanted to add a couple older designs as additional ships to be constructed. Mostly merchant type vessels. 


Here is one for a military-subsidized trawler (gun is kept in storage)

Strid-class, Iberian Empire Trawler laid down 1891

Displacement:
   593 t light; 609 t standard; 760 t normal; 881 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (131.23 ft / 131.23 ft) x 23.79 ft x (13.94 / 15.81 ft)
   (40.00 m / 40.00 m) x 7.25 m  x (4.25 / 4.82 m)

Armament:
      1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal gun - 14.29lbs / 6.48kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1891 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 14 lbs / 6 kg

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 691 ihp / 515 Kw = 12.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 272 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   72 - 94

Cost:
   £0.040 million / $0.161 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 133 tons, 17.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 153 tons, 20.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 167 tons, 22.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 304 tons, 40.0 %
      - Hull below water: 105 tons
      - Hull above water: 60 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 104 tons
      - Above deck: 35 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     803 lbs / 364 Kg = 59.5 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 12.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.82

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.611 / 0.624
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.52 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 11.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 39
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.71 ft / 2.65 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 46.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,260 Square feet or 210 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 132 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 35 lbs/sq ft or 173 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.84
      - Longitudinal: 5.06
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight
15t above deck fishing equipment
5t above deck for boat equipment
19t on deck for 2x 6-ton 21-ft pinnaces
20t hull above water for 10 extra sailors for pinnaces
105t hull below water cargo space
40t hull above water cargo space
85t on deck fishing equipment

3" gun is purchased with vessel but not mounted.  Kept in storage for future potential use.  Pinnaces are included with vessel (serve as extra life boats) but extra personnel not assigned until mobilized. 

152t total cost (593-5= 588t.  588/4=147.  147+5=152t)

Darman

#1
I think I did the calculation for the tonnage of vessels supported.  Seems high.  Only going to build one of these if this is so. 

Sprit-class, Swedish Empire Tender laid down 1890

Displacement:
   3,405 t light; 3,500 t standard; 4,778 t normal; 5,800 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (300.20 ft / 300.20 ft) x 50.03 ft x (18.04 / 21.25 ft)
   (91.50 m / 91.50 m) x 15.25 m  x (5.50 / 6.48 m)

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,960 ihp / 2,208 Kw = 14.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,300 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   286 - 373

Cost:
   £0.200 million / $0.799 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 575 tons, 12.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,120 tons, 23.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,373 tons, 28.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1,710 tons, 35.8 %
      - Hull below water: 700 tons
      - Hull above water: 670 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 315 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,429 lbs / 3,370 Kg = 68.8 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.50
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 11.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.617 / 0.636
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.33 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.03 ft / 5.80 m,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m,  12.14 ft / 3.70 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.69 ft / 3.87 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,161 Square feet or 1,037 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 167 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 67 lbs/sq ft or 329 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.88
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight:
1,710t for resupply of visiting vessels to the amount of 17,100 of shipping. 

edit: added cost estimate of light tonnage/4
3,405/4=851.25 rounded up= 852t

Edit: changed wording to reflect that the purpose of the vessel is resupply of naval vessels overseas. 

Darman

#2
Could this possibly count as "fleet support" overseas?  (If so then each one contains 35t misc equipment so could support 350t shipping). I'm still building a few anyways with an eye to modifying them later. 

Tug Class A, Swedish Empire Tugboat laid down 1890

Displacement:
   209 t light; 214 t standard; 262 t normal; 300 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (92.19 ft / 92.19 ft) x 22.15 ft x (13.12 / 14.22 ft)
   (28.10 m / 28.10 m) x 6.75 m  x (4.00 / 4.33 m)

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 540 ihp / 403 Kw = 13.00 kts
   Range 1,000nm at 13.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 86 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   32 - 42

Cost:
   £0.022 million / $0.088 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 105 tons, 40.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 69 tons, 26.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 53 tons, 20.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 35 tons, 13.4 %
      - Hull above water: 15 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     145 lbs / 66 Kg = 1.3 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.31

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.342 / 0.361
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.16 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 9.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m,  5.50 ft / 1.68 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  5.50 ft / 1.68 m,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:      6.07 ft / 1.85 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 136.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 41.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 1,214 Square feet or 113 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 149 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.79
      - Longitudinal: 8.76
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

35t misc weight for various winches, bumpers, flotation devices, and other paraphernalia required by tugboats. 
Given speed is 13kts, but the actual max and cruising speed is 10kts, with a range much lower as well.  I figured that a tugboat needed to have an overpowered engine. 

Cost estimate: 209/4=52.25 rounded up = 53

Edit: added description at top and cost estimate at bottom

Darman

Aquitania, Iberian Empire Passenger Liner laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)
Corvette (Unarmoured)

Displacement:
   29,497 t light; 30,352 t standard; 39,300 t normal; 46,458 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (850.00 ft / 850.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (35.00 / 39.85 ft)
   (259.08 m / 259.08 m) x 27.43 m  x (10.67 / 12.15 m)

Armament:
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 621 lbs / 282 kg

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 22,181 ihp / 16,547 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 16.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 16,107 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1,395 - 1,814

Cost:
   £1.544 million / $6.175 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 82 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 3,466 tons, 8.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,949 tons, 32.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 9,803 tons, 24.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 13,000 tons, 33.1 %
      - Hull below water: 5,000 tons
      - Hull above water: 8,000 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     78,802 lbs / 35,744 Kg = 729.6 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 4.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.04
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.514 / 0.533
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.44 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 21 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m
      - Average freeboard:      40.00 ft / 12.19 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 66.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 281.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 51,615 Square feet or 4,795 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 195 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 612 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight:
13,000t for 6,500 men in troopship role.  .  1/3 that number of civilian passengers. 

Cost: 7354t plus 82t weapons = 7436t

Kaiser Kirk

#4
Quote from: Darman on March 25, 2020, 02:32:54 AM

5t above deck for boat equipment
19t on deck for 2x 6-ton 21-ft pinnaces


=24
/2 = 12 per 6 ton... good.

So - harbor type auxiliaries, tugs, net tenders, transports, etc are flavor. You can build them if you want, but you are presumed to have them...the transports being strictly tied to deployment points.

Minelayers/sweepers/coast guard/subchasers/armed patrol ships - those are regular naval units you need to specify.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

Quote from: Darman on March 25, 2020, 02:36:56 AM
I think I did the calculation for the tonnage of vessels supported.  Seems high.  Only going to build one of these if this is so. 

....

Misc. Weight:
1,710t for tenderage of attached vessels to the amount of 17,100 of shipping. 

edit: added cost estimate of light tonnage/4
3,405/4=851.25 rounded up= 852t

QuoteFor every 100t of Misc weight allocated to Resupply, 1000t of military ship can be supported.
Yep 1t misc weight supports 10t military.
Though technically it should be specified as Resupply not tenderage.

Ahh Iberia, or as some know it , Sweden 8p
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

Quote from: Darman on March 25, 2020, 02:38:36 AM
Could this possibly count as "fleet support" overseas?  (If so then each one contains 35t misc equipment so could support 350t shipping). I'm still building a few anyways with an eye to modifying them later. 

No, the tonnage has to be dedicated to "Resupply" or something else obviously close.
While generally I will not demand increments of 100t, but translate that as a simple 1:10 ratio,
I would not let 10 of these jointly support a 3500 ton cruiser.  Maybe 17 x 200ton subs.. 
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

#7
Quote from: Darman on March 25, 2020, 02:41:19 AM
Aquitania, Iberian Empire Passenger Liner laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)
Corvette (Unarmoured)

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (850.00 ft / 850.00 ft) x 90.00 ft x (35.00 / 39.85 ft)
   (259.08 m / 259.08 m) x 27.43 m  x (10.67 / 12.15 m)

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 22,181 ihp / 16,547 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 16.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 16,107 tons (100% coal)

Misc Weight:
13,000t for 6,500 men in troopship role.  .  1/3 that number of civilian passengers. 

Cost: 7354t plus 82t weapons = 7436t

Well, I discovered that now I have Admin ability there's a modify post button...right next to quote.

First - unless you're paying tonnage in 1900 for a refit, the engines and laydown date need to agree.

Anyhow, for mercantile, you simply divide the light tonnage by 4, you don't have to add the gun back on top.

I think this vessel would find steaming at 68% of max power on compound engines will not work for 10,000nm.  They just aren't that reliable at high revolutions. 

Then there's the draft. Once you're over 9.5 to 10m, you're in that problematic realm...for example I don't believe Suez in 1910 could pass a 10m draft. I'd have to hunt that down though. Overall, that ship will be a bit limited in harbors.

So this to me gets in the realm of ''how do I account for this"
Ultimately, what matters for troop transport is your deployment points. Most of those will be accounted for by standard freighters.
So I suppose I would factor this in by letting it be a limited use reinforcement vessel, or messenger vessel.
I could envision this being the 'high end' of a random encounter if you were engaged in a naval campaign and someone's raider was hunting the supply lines.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Darman

Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on March 27, 2020, 09:23:14 PM
So this to me gets in the realm of ''how do I account for this"
Ultimately, what matters for troop transport is your deployment points. Most of those will be accounted for by standard freighters.
So I suppose I would factor this in by letting it be a limited use reinforcement vessel, or messenger vessel.
I could envision this being the 'high end' of a random encounter if you were engaged in a naval campaign and someone's raider was hunting the supply lines.

I'm going to just ditch the Aquitania-class

Darman

Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on March 27, 2020, 08:57:14 PM
So - harbor type auxiliaries, tugs, net tenders, transports, etc are flavor. You can build them if you want, but you are presumed to have them...the transports being strictly tied to deployment points.

Minelayers/sweepers/coast guard/subchasers/armed patrol ships - those are regular naval units you need to specify.
I wanted to build a few older vessels that could be modified into crappy escort vessels in the future. 

Kaiser Kirk

Quote from: Darman on April 05, 2020, 12:26:43 PM
be modified into crappy escort vessels in the future.

What an aspiration !
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Darman


Darman

Concept, Iberia Battleship laid down 1910

Displacement:
   21,573 t light; 22,685 t standard; 23,974 t normal; 25,005 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (590.55 ft / 590.55 ft) x 98.43 ft x (26.25 / 27.14 ft)
   (180.00 m / 180.00 m) x 30.00 m  x (8.00 / 8.27 m)

Armament:
      10 - 12.01" / 305 mm 50.0 cal guns - 916.47lbs / 415.70kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1906 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      14 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 175 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5.70lbs / 2.58kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 10,381 lbs / 4,709 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.8" / 325 mm   383.86 ft / 117.00 m   11.91 ft / 3.63 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   206.66 ft / 62.99 m   11.91 ft / 3.63 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   383.86 ft / 117.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.97" / 50 mm   383.86 ft / 117.00 m   24.08 ft / 7.34 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.8" / 325 mm   6.89" / 175 mm      10.8" / 275 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks: 0.98" / 25 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 3.94" / 100 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 30,321 shp / 22,620 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,320 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   963 - 1,252

Cost:
   £1.956 million / $7.826 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,434 tons, 10.2 %
   Armour: 7,196 tons, 30.0 %
      - Belts: 3,458 tons, 14.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 673 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armament: 1,910 tons, 8.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 943 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 212 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,378 tons, 5.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,565 tons, 44.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,400 tons, 10.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     43,903 lbs / 19,914 Kg = 50.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 8.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 8.1 ft / 2.5 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.39

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.555
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.30 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  26.74 ft / 8.15 m,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.77 ft / 5.42 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 40,565 Square feet or 3,769 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 220 lbs/sq ft or 1,076 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.33
      - Longitudinal: 1.91
      - Overall: 1.38
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Darman

Replacement of the above design

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Concept, Iberia Battleship laid down 1910

Displacement:
   18,605 t light; 19,654 t standard; 20,866 t normal; 21,835 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (656.17 ft / 656.17 ft) x 77.10 ft x (26.25 / 27.21 ft)
   (200.00 m / 200.00 m) x 23.50 m  x (8.00 / 8.29 m)

Armament:
      10 - 12.01" / 305 mm 50.0 cal guns - 916.47lbs / 415.70kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1906 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      14 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 175 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5.70lbs / 2.58kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 10,381 lbs / 4,709 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.8" / 325 mm   373.20 ft / 113.75 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   200.92 ft / 61.24 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
     82.05 ft / 25.01 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   373.20 ft / 113.75 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.97" / 50 mm   373.20 ft / 113.75 m   24.08 ft / 7.34 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.8" / 325 mm   6.89" / 175 mm      10.8" / 275 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks: 0.98" / 25 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 3.94" / 100 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 26,491 shp / 19,763 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,181 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   867 - 1,128

Cost:
   £1.828 million / $7.313 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,434 tons, 11.7 %
   Armour: 6,358 tons, 30.5 %
      - Belts: 2,780 tons, 13.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 655 tons, 3.1 %
      - Armament: 1,910 tons, 9.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 821 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 193 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,204 tons, 5.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,138 tons, 39.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,261 tons, 10.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 470 tons, 2.3 %
      - Hull below water: 345 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     30,193 lbs / 13,695 Kg = 34.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.87
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.24

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.555
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.51 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 35 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  26.74 ft / 8.15 m,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m,  16.99 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.77 ft / 5.42 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 35,307 Square feet or 3,280 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 886 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.17
      - Longitudinal: 1.34
      - Overall: 1.19
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc Weight Distribution
Below Water
----345t Electric Drives

Above Water
----25t flag facilities
----0t short range wireless

On Deck
----Fire Control
----75t flag facilities
----25t long range wireless

Do I need to set aside 10% of armament weight for 1905 FC?

Kaiser Kirk

Quote from: Darman on April 07, 2020, 05:32:45 PM
Concept, Iberia Battleship laid down 1910

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks: 0.98" / 25 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 3.94" / 100 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 30,321 shp / 22,620 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,320 tons (100% coal)


Interesting that Iberia would go slower with the next set of BBs.
..and revert to all coal firing.
IF you want to use electric motors, they will be taken into account in battle, particularly vs. Torpedoes.
BUT... Electric Drives: Take an additional 25% of engine weight in misc weight and provides a 15% bonus to range plus improved compartmentalization (effects number of torpedo hits to sink)
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest