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Borys

April 03, 2007, 01:25:19 PM
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Borys

#1
April 28, 2007, 03:39:43 AM Last Edit: April 28, 2007, 03:56:59 AM by Borys
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/staty.php

Useful site about WWII warships. The useful part for us are the line drawings of all the WWI vintage vessels which survived up to that time.
Like this pretty Spanish cruiser:
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/lode.php?language=&period=2&idtrida=1685


Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Korpen

#2
April 28, 2007, 03:45:52 AM
http://www.steelnavy.com/
While the page is mainly dedicated to model rewievs, descriptions and comments, there is quite allot of informations about ships, and of course plenty on the looks of ships.
A nice thing is that there is many odd or uncommon ships represented on the site, such as USS Kearsarge and Tsarevitch.
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

Borys

#3
May 12, 2007, 10:48:46 AM
The films here are a MUST see. I suggest a download, though.
http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tech/
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Borys

#4
May 18, 2007, 02:15:45 PM
The Czech site now added a section for WWI ships:
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/staty.php?language=E&period=1
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

P3D

#5
July 02, 2007, 06:39:23 PM Last Edit: July 25, 2007, 05:21:03 PM by P³D
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

miketr

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July 10, 2007, 07:17:38 PM

P3D

#7
July 10, 2007, 08:02:31 PM
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

P3D

#8
July 21, 2007, 01:04:29 PM
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

Carthaginian

#9
August 13, 2007, 03:02:31 PM Last Edit: August 14, 2007, 01:08:28 PM by Carthaginian
http://uboat.net/wwi/types/

A wealth of knowledge on the capabilities of pre-WWI through WWII submarines in the German Navy. By referencing the attributes of these real boats, you can make a decent fictional sub.
So 'ere's to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in old Baghdad;
You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
We gives you your certificate, an' if you want it signed
We'll come an' 'ave a romp with you whenever you're inclined.

Korpen

#10
August 13, 2007, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: Carthaginian on August 13, 2007, 03:02:31 PM
http://uboat.net/wwi/types/

A wealth of knowledge on the capabilities of pre-WWI through WWII submarines in the German Navy. By referencing the attributes of these real boats, you can make a decent fictional sub.
And specifically for Dutch submarines :http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/
And if you happen to read Swedish : http://www.submarines.nu/index-1.htm
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

P3D

#11
September 24, 2007, 09:48:32 PM Last Edit: January 10, 2008, 06:39:42 PM by P3D
For those not following Warships1 discussion

from Leo F:
   
6"/47 Triple Turret Cl-42 and CL-48: Inner Diameter 17 ft.
6"/47 Triple Turret Cl-55 and 106 Classes: Inner Diameter 17 ft.
6"/47 Twin Turret CL-144 Class: Inner Diameter 18 ft. 10 in.
8"/55 Triple Turret CA 27, 28, 31 and 33: Inner Diameter 19 ft. 4.75 in.
8"/55 Triple Turret CA 32 and 36: Inner Diameter 21 ft.
8"/55 Tripe Turret CA 37 and 38: Inner Diameter 19 ft. 9 in.
8"/55 Triple Turret CA 45: Inner Diameter 22 ft. 6 in.
8"/55 Triple Turret CA 68 and 122 Classes, CAG 1 and 2: Inner Diameter 22 ft. 6 in.
12"/50 Triple Turret CB 1 and 2: Inner Diameter 30 ft.
14"/50 Triple Turret BB 43-44: Inner Diameter 31 ft.
16"/45 Twin Turret BB 45, 46 and 48: Inner Diameter 31 ft.
16"/45 Triple Turret BB 55 and 57 Classes: Inner Diameter 37 ft 3 in.
16"/50 Triple Turret BB 61 Class: Inner Diameter 37 ft 3 in.


These are the inner diameters of the stationary barbette at the top of the barbette.

Creeping Death1929
Japanese 6"/50 twin: 4.2 meters(13.78 feet)
Japanese 6.1"/60 triple: 5.71 meters(18.73 feet)
Japanese 7.9"/50 single: 3.2 meters( 10.5 feet)
Japanese 8"/50 twin: 5.03 meters(16.5 feet.)

This is the roller path diameter.

Tony D:      
USN
8"/55 Three-gun Turret CA-134 class: Inner diameter 26 ft. 0 in.
14"/45 Triple Turret BB-36 class: Inner diameter 30 ft. 0 in.
14"/45 Triple Turret BB-38 class: Inner diameter 29 ft. 0 in.
14"/45 Two-gun Turret BB-34 and BB-36 classes: Inner diameter 28 ft. 0 in.
12"/50 Two-gun Turret BB-32 class: Roller path outer diameter 24 ft. 11 in.

UK RN
16"/45 Three-gun Turret Nelson class: Inner diameter 38 ft. 6 in.
15"/42 Two-gun Turret: Inner diameter 30 ft. 6 in.
14"/45 Two-gun Turret KGV: Inner diameter 29 ft. 6 in.
14"/45 Four-gun Turret KGV: Inner diameter 40 ft. 0 in.
8"/50 Two-gun Turret County classes inner diameter: 20 ft. 6 in.
6"/50 Two-gun Turret Leander/Perth/Arethusa cruisers inner diameter: 17 ft. 6 in.
6"/50 Three-gun Turret Town/Colony cruisers inner diameter: 23 ft. 6 in.
6"/50 Two-gun Turret Nelson class inner diameter: 17 ft. 9 in.

bager1968:

Additionally,
12"/50 Triple Turret CB 1 and 2: Roller path outer diameter 26 ft. 11 in.
14"/50 Triple Turret BB 43-44: Roller path outer diameter 28 ft. 1 in.
16"/45 Twin Turret BB 45, 46 and 48: Roller path outer diameter 27 ft. 7 in.


Which brings this up:
Taking into account both the roller path outer and barbette inner diameters, and weight of the rotating parts of the turrets, if the turrets and guns were available, the Tennessee, California, New Mexico, Idaho, & Mississippi could have had their high-dispersion triple 14"/50 turrets replaced with twin 16"/45 turrets identical to those of Maryland, West Virginia, & Colorado... forming a homogenous 16" battle-line of 8 ships... with the 6- 14"/45 gunned BBs as back-up.

Outlawed by WNT & 1LNT, of course, but an interesting thought.

14"/50 Triple Turret BB 43-44 (& 40-42?): Inner Diameter 31 ft.; Roller path outer diameter 28 ft. 1 in.; Rotating weight 958 tons [1127 tons total turret weight]
16"/45 Twin Turret BB 45, 46 and 48: Inner Diameter 31 ft.; Roller path outer diameter 27 ft. 7 in.; Rotating weight 900 tons [1245 tons total turret weight]

P3D :
...
Tegethoff 3x12"/45 - ID 32' (9.75m) , OD 34' (10.5m), roller ring OD 28' (8.5m)
...
To get OD, just add twice the barbette armor and a bit

12" twin : 28'-30' OD

Kriegsmarine ships

The 11inch triples had an internal barbette diameter of 10.2m of 33.46ft.

The 15 inch twins were 10.0m and 32.81ft.

Looking at French deisgns
Bretagne 13.4" twin ~8.2m (27')
Lanquedoc 13.4" quad ~11.6m (39')
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

P3D

#12
October 02, 2007, 06:27:41 PM
THIS document list some statistics about Japanese WWII merchant ships.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

P3D

#13
October 05, 2007, 10:06:29 PM
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

P3D

#14
October 28, 2007, 03:17:07 PM
From the BC forum:

British Mark XXII 152mm (6') Southampton, Gloucester:

Revolving weight 150 tons
Roller path diameter 19'
Barbette int diameter 23'6"
Guns axes separation 78"

British Mark XXIII 152mm (6") Belfast, Fiji:

Revolving weight 174 tons
Roller path diameter 19ft
Barbette int diameter 23'6"
Guns axes separation 78"

US 6" Cleveland, Fargo:

Revolving weight 173 tons
Roller path diameter 15'3"
Barbette int diameter 17'
Guns axes separation 55"
Overall length turret overhang to end of barrels 42'
Working Circle 43'3"


US 6" Brooklyn, Helena:

Revolving weight 167 tons
Roller path diameter 15'3"
Barbette int diameter 17'
Guns axes separation 55"
Overall length turret overhang to end of barrels 42'
Working Circle 43'3"

Japanese 15.5cm (6.1") Mogami/ Yamato:

Revolving weight 177 tons
Roller path diameter 18'9"
Guns axes separation 61"
Turret length, not including guns 27'.8"
Turret width at widest point of rangefinder 29'2.4"
Turret at widest point not including rangefinder 19'6"

German 15cm (5.9") Koln, Leipzig, Nurnberg

Revolving weight 134.8 tons
Roller path diameter 14'76"
Barbette int diameter 18'7"
Guns axes separation 61"

French 152.4mm (6") Emile Bertin, La Galissonniere

Revolving weight 169.3 tons
Roller path diameter 15'3"
Barbette int diameter 19'1"
Guns axes separation 65"

French 152.4 (6") Richelieu

Revolving weight 224.4 tons
Roller path diameter 21'8.6"
Barbette int diameter 23'11"
Guns axes separation 72.8"

Italian 152.4mm (6") Littorio, Garibaldi
Revolving weight (not including shield which varied by class) 133.3 tons
Roller path diameter 16'5"
Barbette int diameter 19'"
Guns axes separation 50"

Argentina 152.4mm (6") La Argentina

Revolving weight 139 tons
Roller path diameter 17'6"
Barbette int diameter 21'
Guns axes separation 48"
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas
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