I would like to play

[olekit]

Good Day, Jentelmen. I have learned that Navalism had migrated to this forum. I would like to be at the game. As Russian player. If you do not mind :)

[Borys]

Priviet!
You are wellcome. There are some rule changes, and your country shed off the treacherous vipers, i.e. the Polyaki and Malorussy.
Borys

[olekit]

And Far East territories...

May we discuss the changes and correct them slightly? ;)

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I will copy and paste my reply from another thread.

1 - Baltic Fleet and Northern Squadron - yes, these are with Russia;
2 - Black Sea Fleet - a division between Kiev and Moscow can be considered;
3 - Far Eastern Fleet - sorry, but no; arranging the Far East was the most difficult issue we had; you may get construction facilities at Khabarovsk;
4 - I have already explained our position on your absence and breakup of Russia.

Borys

[Korpen]

The Russians are comming?
*Prepares a few crates filled with 20-year single cask isles & highlands whisky to be sent as gift to Moscovy from the Netherlands...*

[olekit]

Yes, I was absent. But I have a e-mail to get to me.... and according to the map, I do not have a Khabarovsk.... I'm not against to lost all of the Manchjuria lands, Sackalin, Kurila Islands and Chukotka. But i'd like to get back Primorye.  And about the fleet... ok. Let we imagine that I have lost the war and all of my Pasific fleet were sunk or captured.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
The map is not very accurate - to large scale. You hold the southern bank of the lower Amur with Khabarovsk and some 40-50 miles to the south of the river.

Borys

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Muscovy retains half of the Black Sea Fleet, plus whole Baltic and Arctic fleets. It has the technology level it had. Khabarovsk is a developed ship-building centre. Russian economy is comparable to Austria's.

Borys

[olekit]

Why??? Russia has 3/4 of its infrastructure after all that changes. and 17/20 of its population.

And Khabarovsk is far from the sea. As I Understand the border goes on the line of Amur river. I have Nikolaev-na-Amure there, close to the sea. And establish a New Vladivostock at the Ochotsk sea.

[Korpen]

Why??? Russia has 3/4 of its infrastructure after all that changes. and 17/20 of its population.

And Khabarovsk is far from the sea. As I Understand the border goes on the line of Amur river. I have Nikolaev-na-Amure there, close to the sea. And establish a New Vladivostock at the Ochotsk sea.

Russia has lost the Ukraine, and the western areas, and that were among the most populous areas, unless i am wrong just what is today Ukraine had close to 30 million people in it around 1905...
Looking at the map i would guess you lost more then 1/3 of the population.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Sorry for confusing Khabarovsk with Nikolaev-na-Amurie.

We have brought most contries closer to OTL. Russia had about 130 million people, of which 13 million were in the Congres Kingdom. Ukraina would have some 15-20. And these were some of the most industralized provinces. And OTL aside - most countries were scaled back.

Borys

[olekit]

Don't think so. According to the game, most Industrialised region is St Peterburg. There were and aroun about 1/2 of my industry at the last game. Then Revel-Riga-Libava-Helsingfors, which according to the map are mine. Then Ucrain where were about 1/3 of my industry and at Vladivostok heavy and light factories were just at the prosess of construction.... So I'm going to use about 2/3 of industry of the old Russia. It is 13 HBP and 16 MBP.

6 HBP and 8 MBP goes to the annexed territories.

Population, due the last data of the old sim is 144 million (1903).

Ukrain+Poland is about 30 mln people. (greatest cities there: Kiev (3,1 mln people), Warshaw (2,9 mln people), Port-Arthur (0,95 mln people), Vladivostok (0,79 mln people).

[olekit]

The Map of Russia 1906.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
No.
Russia/Muscovy is like on the map here:
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=9.msg3258#msg3258

And your economy is more or less like Austria's.
This is final.

Borys

[olekit]

Where is the difference between my map and yours?

10.5 HBP?