1911H1

[Kaiser Kirk]

1) WB Snip, I hope things have settled down in Anco...hmm apparently I don't know how to spell that.. Anchorage town.
2) Again, thank you for the work you do in the moderator role.

3) Um, there's a couple things that should be shaded Parthian and are not - Los Angeles, Hawaii, what I think is Kiribati  and still the Andaman islands.
Here's the original map : https://postimg.cc/KR13Vw2Y

I will attempt to be useful and go make a map that just shows the places I think I've claimed that are not on your maps :)

4) As for Walters approach - it's interesting as it does allow 'fencing off' areas for the future.
However, the Parthians are either relying on the Ancient Right of Conquest and grabbing small Kingdoms; setting up Naval/Merchant enclaves; or colonizing fairly undeveloped areas with agrarian land for colonization.  The closest I may get to Walter's approach is my African possessions may snake along geographic features.

For example, I claimed the mouth of the Zambezi, and may follow that upwards later in the game. But in the meantime it is strategically located on the Mozambique channel and a rational trading port location for goods coming down the Zambezi.   

5) I guess I should get back to writing and posting :)

[Kaiser Kirk]

Ok so here's a world map showing the Parthian territories not on your (snips) version of the map.

https://postimg.cc/Mn6T46LB

1. Los Angeles area.... it's funny I'd love to subdivide that and just run down the coastal strip.   
2. Hawaii & Kirabiti - important refueling stop to 1
3. A couple Indonesian islands between Sumatra and Borneo
4. Andaman islands - 1910
5. Diego Garcia - 1910
6. Zanzibar islands, and the mouth of the Ruva River, and Mafia island (historically settled by a Prince from Shiraz, Persia in the 1300s).
7. Technically I'm claiming the islands SW of Somoa, but they are all flyspecks that aren't a pixel in size.

Also, I noticed all the Iberian claims - have vanished. 
...and the purple malaise has claimed more of the world....

[Jefgte]

...Also, I noticed all the Iberian claims - have vanished...

Christmas island  ;D

[Walter]

Okay, so looking at the Victoria II map in game, you marked the Barrie region as Norse although it was not marked on my map as 'going to be assimilated' while you did not mark the Erie region as Norse although it was marked on my map as 'going to be assimilated'. Naturally, there are the various islands that, according to the Victoria II game, are part of regions that were captured that have not been filled in as well though with the tiny ones that are something like 1 pixel in size it would take quite a bit of time to color them.

[The Rock Doctor]

On further reflection, I wish to protest Norse claims in the Americas. 

Walter is playing "Go" rather than making logical, gradual expansions to the territory he already holds.

Should that approach be upheld, I will adopt it aggressively in the next turn and onward.

[Walter]

Walter is playing "Go" rather than making logical, gradual expansions to the territory he already holds.

Unless the plans of others are known, I do not think that you (or me or anyone else for that matter) can judge whether expansions are logical or not. What may seem completely illogical to you may actually be part of a very complicated plan which will only be logical to you when you actually know that plan or once it has been completely executed. The Norse Plan is actually quite logical if you know what that plan is (part of that plan is something that Vilnius may and/or may not like).

The Northern Kingdom has been in "Go" mode from the start, but it just has not been apparent since a lot of the regions they picked up in H1/1910 and H2/1910 are big (not to mention that a large part of Greenland is off the edge of the map). For example, the 20 OTL US regions grabbed in H1/1911 cover a smaller area (estimated at about ~90% using ms paint and wiki data on the areas of the various states and Greenland) than the 4 regions that make up the part of Greenland that is visible on the map.

If anything, I am more shocked at the almost lack of movement from Vilnius in North America, especially considering how small all those regions are. I took a gamble going South assuming that Vilnius would move further West instead of North but I had been expecting Vilnius to be butting heads with the Romans at the end of H1/1911 or move SW to the Gulf of Mexico Coast to keep the two Roman held areas separate. But two measly regions? At this moment, the Northern Kingdom is ashamed to be Vilnius' neighbour. :)

There is another thing. Checking the map, Parthia has been more aggressive than the Norse. I count 39 regions grabbed comparing the H2/1910 map with the H1/1911 map and the map Kirk supplied with regions grabbed missed by Snip, but it is probably not so obvious because the areas taken are so spread out over the map and numerous regions are not that big as the Norse regions grabbed.

One other thing that is not apparent when looking at the map is the fact that the Northern Kingdom has pushed beyond its abilities which needs to be solved first during this HY and the next HY and which may have an influence on the continuation of the plan during H2/1911.

[Kaiser Kirk]

There is another thing. Checking the map, Parthia has been more aggressive than the Norse. I count 39 regions grabbed comparing the H2/1910 map with the H1/1911 map and the map Kirk supplied with regions grabbed missed by Snip, but it is probably not so obvious because the areas taken are so spread out over the map and numerous regions are not that big as the Norse regions grabbed.

The observation is correct.
I had been playing one "game" with self-imposed rules regarding how far/fast I should expand. 

I had a 5(?) phase plan I intended to follow, though other's actions would cause adjustments - much like starting a game of RISK
As each holding, regardless of what I intend for it - coaling station/ naval base/ trading post / full fledged colony - consumes the same resources to conquer/develop - 1 "land unit" + support;
I made the assessment that I would limit myself to "leaps" of a couple thousand nm from the last conquest.  I think I figured 4,000nm at the most.
Thus each port would have time to build up the stockpiles to support the next phase of the expansion.


However, I have stopped playing that game as I realized I was the only one - which makes perfect sense as I never discussed it with anyone, so why would they be doing it?
Also, my approach completely forget that there was a fair amount of sail-powered freighters at this time that didn't need to think about recoaling. 

Anyhow, after watching the Iberian expansion all across the globe - taking the Sunda Islands which was phase 2 or 3 for me (Ceylon, Aceh, Sunda, Pacific, California)
And seeing the Vilnus Union pop up in my P3 goal of Uruguay.... argh.

I discarded my slow approach, and decided to put my 400,000 tons of naval support ability and very large deployable forces to work. 
Preceded by sailing frigates and supported by my fleet support ships, my expeditionary forces can cover large areas.
Still, the occupation order sent to Snip tiered my advances to account for sailing, landing, taking on fresh supplies and proceeding.
In the end, the Parthian conquests at this time are close to natural harbors or navigable rivers (Sacramento and Stockton in N/S California), so supplies should not be horribly unreasonable.

Aceh/Brunei will be out of order as there is to be a storyline of Brunei becoming alarmed when Parthian troops take the oil fields at Tarakan - which produce a very light crude which can be used for bunker fuel going east if needed (a bit hard on boilers).  Still unsure if I want to write the story where they conveniently give a clear causus belli, or just harass Parthia until an annoyed Alexandros adds them to the list.

As for the "Ring Fencing".
Snip's model is ...I think... no War in Europe, but permitted squabbles in the rest of the World.
Certainly disagreements on what counts as "Claimed" would be part of that.  Brushfire colonial wars.
Now, once that province is developed, it may be more serious, but who wants to send thousands of troops and scores of ships to their deaths over some distant frozen tundra?

That is why Vilnus and Parthia chatted over Uruguay, Parthia's goals there are a port and arable land. Bahia Blanca isn't quite as good and won't allow extending the colony up the River Platte, but for the "In Character" goals, it is sufficient. So while I have the ability to project more power there than I think Vilnus can, and without threat of European conflict (!), Parthia just wandered down the coast :)

[The Rock Doctor]

Walter is playing "Go" rather than making logical, gradual expansions to the territory he already holds.

Unless the plans of others are known, I do not think that you (or me or anyone else for that matter) can judge whether expansions are logical or not. What may seem completely illogical to you may actually be part of a very complicated plan which will only be logical to you when you actually know that plan or once it has been completely executed. The Norse Plan is actually quite logical if you know what that plan is (part of that plan is something that Vilnius may and/or may not like).

The Northern Kingdom has been in "Go" mode from the start, but it just has not been apparent since a lot of the regions they picked up in H1/1910 and H2/1910 are big (not to mention that a large part of Greenland is off the edge of the map). For example, the 20 OTL US regions grabbed in H1/1911 cover a smaller area (estimated at about ~90% using ms paint and wiki data on the areas of the various states and Greenland) than the 4 regions that make up the part of Greenland that is visible on the map.

If anything, I am more shocked at the almost lack of movement from Vilnius in North America, especially considering how small all those regions are. I took a gamble going South assuming that Vilnius would move further West instead of North but I had been expecting Vilnius to be butting heads with the Romans at the end of H1/1911 or move SW to the Gulf of Mexico Coast to keep the two Roman held areas separate. But two measly regions? At this moment, the Northern Kingdom is ashamed to be Vilnius' neighbour. :)

There is another thing. Checking the map, Parthia has been more aggressive than the Norse. I count 39 regions grabbed comparing the H2/1910 map with the H1/1911 map and the map Kirk supplied with regions grabbed missed by Snip, but it is probably not so obvious because the areas taken are so spread out over the map and numerous regions are not that big as the Norse regions grabbed.

One other thing that is not apparent when looking at the map is the fact that the Northern Kingdom has pushed beyond its abilities which needs to be solved first during this HY and the next HY and which may have an influence on the continuation of the plan during H2/1911.

This does not change my perception of the situation.  However you may explain it in-character, you have very clearly drawn a big fence around what you eventually intend to claim and occupy, rather than settling for what you can actually occupy. 

[Kaiser Kirk]

*Fight, Fight, Fight !*
Battle of the Ohio !
Chew up some of those 1800s vessels you have in abundance !

*Eyes Madagascar* Hmmm....

[snip]

I'm going to agree with Rocky here. On reflection its hard to accept the IC justification. Walter, please submit a revised claim. Also, can someone get me the map with the Iberian claims? I seem to have lost my copy.

[Kaiser Kirk]

I resent my Parthian map that included the Iberian stuff,
then realized the Iberian claims had been posted, so went looking :
Try : https://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,7194.0.html

3rd Map down was Guinness's final.

[Walter]

This does not change my perception of the situation.  However you may explain it in-character, you have very clearly drawn a big fence around what you eventually intend to claim and occupy, rather than settling for what you can actually occupy.

Well I can occupy it as the 'fencing' regions are not really needed for the Norse themselves... but I thought it was rather boring doing it the normal way which is one of the OOC reasons why I did it that way.

I'm going to agree with Rocky here. On reflection its hard to accept the IC justification. Walter, please submit a revised claim.

Okay, no problem. I had already made a revised one when Rocky brought up the objection so I was waiting for your decision, whether you were okay with what I did or if you agreed that it was an issue. So instead of going around the various regions and taking them next HY, just taking them directly this HY.

... a shame actually because now I cannot execute my truly evil plan which was to make Vilnius the barrier between the civilized Norse-held north and the barbaric Roman-held south. ;D

[Kaiser Kirk]

I will find it humorous if enough IC is built to turn Greenland and the rest of the frozen North into an economic powerhouse.

[The Rock Doctor]

Just one IC would give Greenland a significant amount of industry compared to pretty much anywhere...

This does not change my perception of the situation.  However you may explain it in-character, you have very clearly drawn a big fence around what you eventually intend to claim and occupy, rather than settling for what you can actually occupy.

Well I can occupy it as the 'fencing' regions are not really needed for the Norse themselves... but I thought it was rather boring doing it the normal way which is one of the OOC reasons why I did it that way.

I'm going to agree with Rocky here. On reflection its hard to accept the IC justification. Walter, please submit a revised claim.

Okay, no problem. I had already made a revised one when Rocky brought up the objection so I was waiting for your decision, whether you were okay with what I did or if you agreed that it was an issue. So instead of going around the various regions and taking them next HY, just taking them directly this HY.

... a shame actually because now I cannot execute my truly evil plan which was to make Vilnius the barrier between the civilized Norse-held north and the barbaric Roman-held south. ;D

Thank you.

[The Rock Doctor]

A belated note that I'd claimed the ABC islands and the two islands east of Puerto Rico, so they may have been overlooked in the map coloring.

I'll try to get my head back into this.