Vilnius Union Ships, 1911 - 1919

Started by The Rock Doctor, October 30, 2018, 11:26:59 AM

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The Rock Doctor

Think I've finally figured what I'm after.

It's not, actually, a whole wave of new torpedo-boats to serve in the outlying territories.  I can actually delegate some perfectly adequate K-class boats to that purpose.

What they don't have is something that is both fast and capable of housing a squadron commander and his staff.  The colonial cruisers deployed as flagships to some of these territories are limited to 22 knots. 

So I'm building, basically, five leaders.  I'm sticking to 100mm guns because I wouldn't be able to shove four plus the command facilities into the ship on 1,500 tons plus it makes for easier logistics if the leader and its flock are all using up the same ammunition.

It will make for an oddly-sized squadron if they ever operate together, but I'll worry about that later.


Ogre, Vilnius Union torpedo-boat, laid down 1919

Displacement:
   1,422 t light; 1,476 t standard; 1,643 t normal; 1,776 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (369.89 ft / 360.89 ft) x 32.81 ft x (12.14 / 12.78 ft)
   (112.74 m / 110.00 m) x 10.00 m  x (3.70 / 3.90 m)

Armament:
      4 - 3.94" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      1 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 3.86lbs / 1.75kg shells, 200 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1919 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck aft
      4 - 0.39" / 10.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 127 lbs / 58 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 32,172 shp / 24,000 Kw = 32.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 300 tons

Complement:
   128 - 167

Cost:
   £0.385 million / $1.540 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 23 tons, 1.4 %
      - Guns: 23 tons, 1.4 %
   Armour: 13 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 13 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 860 tons, 52.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 377 tons, 22.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 221 tons, 13.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 149 tons, 9.1 %
      - Hull below water: 15 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 56 tons
      - Above deck: 78 tons

Fittings:
-50 t:  Command facilities (AD)
-25 t:  L/R wireless (AD)
-3 t:  1912 fire control (AD)
-32 t:  2x4 Type 1913 530mm torpedo carriages (FD)
-15 t :  ASW munitions (FD)
-9 t:  Weight reserve (FD)
-15 t :  Enhanced hydrophone package (BW)


Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     390 lbs / 177 Kg = 12.8 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.411
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.33 ft / 6.50 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   29.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   36.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.78 ft / 3.90 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 174.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,288 Square feet or 677 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 142 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.11
      - Overall: 0.54
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

TacCovert4

This is an interesting development.  Including the logic.

The Sultanate had just gone to 130mm guns on its Fleet DDs, but was sticking with 100mm guns on its 'honestly not a raider gov'nor' DDs due to weight concerns. 

However, there is a lot of logic for the 'hail of fire' of 100mm guns, even if you're losing 3km of 'effective' range, and a bit of punch.  The same logic was why I went down to 70mm guns on later marks of my Grossetorpedoboot small DDs, to keep enough reserve weight for bigger and better torpedoes as their primary role is as a torpedo platform and anti-MTB platform. 

When I do another DD class coming up in the early '20s, I might have to reconsider 100mm twins on large DDs.  Something like a 'baby Tribal' with 4x2 100mm guns.
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The Rock Doctor

You do lose gunnery range, but it's the least effective range, so maybe not as big a sacrifice as it could be.

I'm probably moving to 130mm for the next class, which'll be more about escorting the new generation of capital ships.  I expect it'll just be a mildly updated version of the 1,500 t boat I posted a page or two back, as I don't need to stuff command facilities or long-range wireless into that type.  Light cruisers can do that kind of work for them.

I see I do not, in fact, have access to quad torpedo carriages yet, so I guess it'll be two triples and a larger weight reserve.

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TacCovert4

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on September 01, 2021, 08:15:13 AM
You do lose gunnery range, but it's the least effective range, so maybe not as big a sacrifice as it could be.

I'm probably moving to 130mm for the next class, which'll be more about escorting the new generation of capital ships.  I expect it'll just be a mildly updated version of the 1,500 t boat I posted a page or two back, as I don't need to stuff command facilities or long-range wireless into that type.  Light cruisers can do that kind of work for them.

I see I do not, in fact, have access to quad torpedo carriages yet, so I guess it'll be two triples and a larger weight reserve.

Yeah, I'm torn.  130mm gets more range and a bit more punch.  But it also definitely needs hoists to maintain RoF even for a short engagement.  When it comes down to it, 100mm twin mounts weigh almost the same as a 130 single, so it's a significant increase in volume of fire for a moderate decrease in range and punch.  Against cruisers, 130mm is going to do better, but that begs the question about needing to have DDs able to punch against cruisers.  Something I'll have to look at for the F class DDs
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Desertfox

Due to a major oversight on my part at startup, Japan has no gun in the 4" range, so they are just saying "screw it" and doubling down on 5" guns with a new HV 5" gun on twin M&H mounts. Heavy and expensive the mounts leave the DDs with limited space for misc weight, but should make them devastating against any other DD currently float and most of the older PCs.
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The Rock Doctor

It is a bit tricky scheduling new weapons systems into the queue with all the other research needs one has at a given time.

Desertfox

It is and it's screwing up my plans at the moment. Instead of jumping straight into the 1,500t Fubukis, I'll be having to build another batch of 800t destroyers. I also can't start the cruisers I have planned so doing filler runs of more auxiliaries in the time being.
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The Rock Doctor

So the first thought was, "Let's add firepower to destroyers making torpedo attacks.  Since the target is generally in front of the destroyer, we can get by with something with limited traverse.  So what's the heaviest thing we can stick in a destroyer, and then do we need many shells for it given how low the rate of fire will be?"

I initially simmed this with a 280mm/40 cal gun, story-wise stripped from an old ship or spares for old ships.  A turret with splinter protection kind of worked but a casemate weighed less.  However, I don't have a casemate mounting for this size of gun.  Go figure.  And it worked, until I saw that the recoil factor was above 1.00.  That still allows end-on fire, I think, but it did not bode well.

So I scaled down to a 250mm gun instead:

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1919

Displacement:
   1,487 t light; 1,542 t standard; 1,732 t normal; 1,885 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (368.53 ft / 357.61 ft) x 32.81 ft x (11.48 / 12.20 ft)
   (112.33 m / 109.00 m) x 10.00 m  x (3.50 / 3.72 m)

Armament:
      1 - 9.84" / 250 mm 40.0 cal gun - 456.92lbs / 207.26kg shells, 10 per gun
     Breech loading gun in casemate mount, 1919 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      4 - 3.94" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      1 raised mount
      1 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 3.85lbs / 1.74kg shells, 150 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1919 Model
     1 x Single mount on sides, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 584 lbs / 265 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.12" / 3 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.12" / 3 mm            -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 32,171 shp / 24,000 Kw = 31.47 kts
   Range 9,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 343 tons

Complement:
   133 - 174

Cost:
   £0.435 million / $1.741 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 81 tons, 4.7 %
      - Guns: 81 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 22 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armament: 22 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 873 tons, 50.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 444 tons, 25.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 245 tons, 14.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 67 tons, 3.9 %
      - Hull below water: 15 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 42 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     453 lbs / 205 Kg = 0.9 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 90 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.450 / 0.461
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 74
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.06 ft / 5.20 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.82 ft / 4.52 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 176.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,484 Square feet or 695 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 159 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.81
      - Overall: 0.56
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

The Rock Doctor

Then I was like, okay, that somehow theoretically works but I don't have a casemate mounting for a 250mm gun any more than I do for a 280mm gun.

But I do have a casemate mounting for the 200mm/45 cal gun.  And hang on, I can (according to SS) install two of those rather than one 250mm gun.  So let's have them on the sides, forward.  Give them more shells so they can fire away for about ten minutes.

The secondary armament - the normal TB armament - has a superfiring gun on the centreline forward, and two on the sides aft - notionally, these might interfere with each other shooting right aft, but should have good firing arcs forward at enemy screening craft.  Full load of torpedoes because that's why they're really there.

I think maybe the casemates need to be a little further aft, under the bridge rather than in front of it, so that the ship's beam is a little wider at that point and the casemates have more space between the two gun.  But this is the sketch I have for the moment.

I'm going to build one, Puck, as a "special" in 1919.  They won't work at all as screening units, but a handful in the big offensive Swarm could be interesting.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1919

Displacement:
   1,494 t light; 1,556 t standard; 1,748 t normal; 1,902 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (372.05 ft / 360.89 ft) x 32.81 ft x (11.48 / 12.19 ft)
   (113.40 m / 110.00 m) x 10.00 m  x (3.50 / 3.72 m)

Armament:
      2 - 7.87" / 200 mm 45.0 cal guns - 246.18lbs / 111.66kg shells, 50 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1919 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      3 - 3.94" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      2 raised mounts
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      1 raised mount
      1 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 3.85lbs / 1.74kg shells, 150 per gun
     Anti-air gun in deck mount, 1919 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck aft
      Weight of broadside 589 lbs / 267 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.12" / 3 mm            -
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.12" / 3 mm            -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 33,512 shp / 25,000 Kw = 31.78 kts
   Range 9,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 345 tons

Complement:
   134 - 175

Cost:
   £0.446 million / $1.786 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 89 tons, 5.1 %
      - Guns: 89 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 23 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armament: 23 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 890 tons, 50.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 426 tons, 24.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 254 tons, 14.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 66 tons, 3.8 %
      - Hull below water: 15 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 41 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Fittings:
-9 t:  1912 fire control (AD)
-12 t:  1x3 530mm torpedo carriage, no reloads
-15 t:  ASW munitions
-15 t:  Enhanced hydrophone package

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     427 lbs / 193 Kg = 1.7 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 12.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.450 / 0.461
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 74
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.65 ft / 6.60 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m,  17.72 ft / 5.40 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.09 ft / 4.30 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,553 Square feet or 702 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 64 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 160 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 0.55
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform



Kaiser Kirk

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on September 04, 2021, 08:41:50 AM
So I scaled down to a 250mm gun instead:

I had a 1890s 'torpedo Ram' with the same concept.
Wound up dropping it from my prebuild.
I so wanted to field a wave-motion gun...
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Desertfox

Love it! At some point in time I'll experiment with a DD with big recoiless guns instead of torpedo tubes.
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The Rock Doctor

Quote from: Kaiser Kirk on September 04, 2021, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: The Rock Doctor on September 04, 2021, 08:41:50 AM
So I scaled down to a 250mm gun instead:

I had a 1890s 'torpedo Ram' with the same concept.
Wound up dropping it from my prebuild.
I so wanted to field a wave-motion gun...
I heard the phrase, "Spinal mount" in my head a few times as I was thinking the idea over.

I don't see the wave-motion gun in our tech tree but assume it's probably not available until the mid-twenties.

The Rock Doctor

Like the First and Second Fleet Replenishment Programs before it, the Third Fleet Replenishment Program envisions construction of a monitor, two armored cruisers, and four battleships.  The program started with the laying down of the monitor Attakulla in 1918 and now, logically, it's time to start the first capital ship.

Somewhat contrary to expectations, it's going to be the armored cruisers next, not the battleships.  The Navy's battleline is...not in a bad place.  The four Angstrom class ships are new and shiny, the Wrogi and Neiugiety classes are adequate for a while yet.  On the other hand, the armored cruiser complement consists of the two Lucznik class and a bunch of VTE-driven relics.  Yes, the two Szermierz class ships are finishing up, but overall there's a perception that the AC arm is weaker than the BB arm.

Plus the media/political fixation on armored cruisers that began after the Battle of Dakar still hasn't quite eased off.

The Norse are big on battlecruisers, it seems, as are the Romans.  Granted, the Romans have somewhat deeper pockets for theirs than the Union does.

*glances at Empress Amelia*

Lesser powers like the Mayans and Confederation are still (presumably) engaging in big cruisers as well, of course.

The starting point for the Type 1919 cruiser-of-the-line was the still-building Szermierz class, but scaled up to the new 400m/45 gun.  Two triples put too many eggs in two baskets, three triples was too expensive.  Three twins it was, a super-Renown if you will.

The ship is incrementally better protected and faster than Szermierz, and therefore about 10% heavier.  It's the first use of inclined armor in a true capital ship (and maybe I've even got the +/- thing right, I'm not sure).

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1919

Displacement:
   34,593 t light; 36,183 t standard; 37,957 t normal; 39,376 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (785.91 ft / 771.00 ft) x 91.86 ft (Bulges 95.14 ft) x (30.18 / 31.14 ft)
   (239.55 m / 235.00 m) x 28.00 m (Bulges 29.00 m)  x (9.20 / 9.49 m)

Armament:
      6 - 15.75" / 400 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,984.16lbs / 900.00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1919 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5.12" / 130 mm 45.0 cal guns - 67.62lbs / 30.67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1919 Model
     8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 3.94" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.85lbs / 1.74kg shells, 150 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      8 - 0.39" / 10.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 13,125 lbs / 5,954 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   501.15 ft / 152.75 m   16.11 ft / 4.91 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   269.82 ft / 82.24 m   11.81 ft / 3.60 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -12.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      3.15" / 80 mm   501.15 ft / 152.75 m   28.48 ft / 8.68 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 75.46 ft / 23.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.7" / 400 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.20" / 5 mm            -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm   0.20" / 5 mm            -
   5th:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3.94" / 100 mm
   Forecastle: 2.95" / 75 mm  Quarter deck: 3.94" / 100 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 144,772 shp / 108,000 Kw = 30.05 kts
   Range 12,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,194 tons

Complement:
   1,359 - 1,767

Cost:
   £6.855 million / $27.419 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,187 tons, 5.8 %
      - Guns: 2,187 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 12,888 tons, 34.0 %
      - Belts: 4,640 tons, 12.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,663 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armament: 2,548 tons, 6.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 3,719 tons, 9.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 316 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 5,141 tons, 13.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,450 tons, 35.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,364 tons, 8.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 928 tons, 2.4 %
      - Hull below water: 173 tons
      - Hull above water: 173 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 237 tons
      - Above deck: 345 tons

Fittings:
-220 t:  1912 fire control (AD)
-25 t:  L/R wireless (AD)
-100 t:  Flag facilities (AD)
-346 t:  Extra damage control capability (BW/AW)
-25 t:  Night-fighting doodads (FD)
-212 t:  Weight reserve (FD)

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     51,973 lbs / 23,575 Kg = 26.6 x 15.7 " / 400 mm shells or 7.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 17.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.75
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.603
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 27.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  31.17 ft / 9.50 m,  24.28 ft / 7.40 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  24.28 ft / 7.40 m,  24.28 ft / 7.40 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  24.28 ft / 7.40 m,  24.28 ft / 7.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  24.28 ft / 7.40 m,  24.28 ft / 7.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      24.83 ft / 7.57 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 176.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 51,801 Square feet or 4,812 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 894 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.29
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily



Desertfox

That's no armored cruiser, that's an undergunned fast battleship... I'd get rid of the 100mm guns and add a superfiring 130mm mount aft.
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