Iberia 1910

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I dont have the time for a more exaustive review right now, but the Ibera (1906) Design is not legal. The tech fro tripple turrets only becomes avalible in 1907, and the turrets themselves take 18 months develop.

[olekit24]

Have mistaken with B Class destroyer. Changes:

B Class, Spain DD laid down 1907

Displacement:
   750 t light; 777 t standard; 880 t normal; 962 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (343,18 ft / 342,16 ft) x 21,36 ft x (10,20 / 10,84 ft)
   (104,60 m / 104,29 m) x 6,51 m  x (3,11 / 3,30 m)

Armament:
      3 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,63lbs / 16,16kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1907 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,49lbs / 0,22kg shells, 350 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1907 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 110 lbs / 50 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,17" / 55 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 15 386 shp / 11 478 Kw = 29,50 kts
Trial speed: 31 kts
Bonus: 1.5
   Range 2 750nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 185 tons

Complement:
   80 - 105

Cost:
   £0,097 million / $0,390 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 17 tons, 2,0%
      - Guns: 17 tons, 2,0%
   Armour: 15 tons, 1,7%
      - Armament: 15 tons, 1,7%
   Machinery: 469 tons, 53,3%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 192 tons, 21,8%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 130 tons, 14,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 56 tons, 6,4%
      - On freeboard deck: 56 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     159 lbs / 72 Kg = 4,5 x 4,1 " / 105 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04
   Metacentric height 0,5 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 12,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,29

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,413 / 0,425
   Length to Beam Ratio: 16,02 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,50 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,02 ft / 0,31 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00%,  15,26 ft / 4,65 m,  14,93 ft / 4,55 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00%,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20,00%,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Average freeboard:      9,67 ft / 2,95 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 178,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 85,0%
   Waterplane Area: 4 534 Square feet or 421 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 47%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 99 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 0,87
      - Overall: 0,53
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[olekit24]

And subclass of B class

BA Class, Spain DD laid down 1908

Displacement:
   750 t light; 779 t standard; 878 t normal; 957 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (343,24 ft / 342,22 ft) x 21,36 ft x (10,20 / 10,81 ft)
   (104,62 m / 104,31 m) x 6,51 m  x (3,11 / 3,30 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 142 lbs / 65 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,17" / 55 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 17 332 shp / 12 930 Kw = 30,40 kts
Trial Speed: 31.5
Bonus: 1.1
   Range 2 800nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 178 tons

Complement:
   79 - 104

Cost:
   £0,098 million / $0,394 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 24 tons, 2,7%
      - Guns: 24 tons, 2,7%
   Armour: 10 tons, 1,2%
      - Armament: 10 tons, 1,2%
   Machinery: 467 tons, 53,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 193 tons, 22,0%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 128 tons, 14,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 56 tons, 6,4%
      - On freeboard deck: 56 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     163 lbs / 74 Kg = 4,6 x 4,1 " / 105 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 0,6 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 11,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,412 / 0,424
   Length to Beam Ratio: 16,02 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,50 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,02 ft / 0,31 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00%,  15,26 ft / 4,65 m,  14,93 ft / 4,55 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00%,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20,00%,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m,  7,87 ft / 2,40 m
      - Average freeboard:      9,67 ft / 2,95 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 179,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 86,0%
   Waterplane Area: 4 532 Square feet or 421 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 47%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 101 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 0,94
      - Overall: 0,53
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[olekit24]

Battleship instead of Iberia:

Santisima Trinidad, Spain Battleship laid down 1906

Displacement:
   19 162 t light; 20 317 t standard; 21 886 t normal; 23 141 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (545,14 ft / 540,39 ft) x 81,36 ft x (27,26 / 28,58 ft)
   (166,16 m / 164,71 m) x 24,80 m  x (8,31 / 8,71 m)

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm 50,0 cal guns - 916,47lbs / 415,70kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      20 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     20 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      16 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1896 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 9 701 lbs / 4 400 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   469,72 ft / 143,17 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Ends:   4,33" / 110 mm     55,91 ft / 17,04 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
     14,76 ft / 4,50 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5,51" / 140 mm   351,25 ft / 107,06 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 134% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,38" / 35 mm   351,25 ft / 107,06 m   26,08 ft / 7,95 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 49,21 ft / 15,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   7,87" / 200 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 2,95" / 75 mm  Quarter deck: 2,95" / 75 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13,19" / 335 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 42 293 shp / 31 550 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 9 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 823 tons

Complement:
   899 - 1 169

Cost:
   £1,939 million / $7,754 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 780 tons, 8,1%
      - Guns: 1 780 tons, 8,1%
   Armour: 7 639 tons, 34,9%
      - Belts: 3 231 tons, 14,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 467 tons, 2,1%
      - Armament: 1 882 tons, 8,6%
      - Armour Deck: 1 836 tons, 8,4%
      - Conning Tower: 222 tons, 1,0%
   Machinery: 2 746 tons, 12,5%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 468 tons, 29,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 723 tons, 12,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 529 tons, 2,4%
      - Hull below water: 252 tons
      - Hull above water: 252 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     27 302 lbs / 12 384 Kg = 31,5 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 4,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22
   Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 14,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,639 / 0,645
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,64 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -1,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,48 ft / 0,45 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  20,51 ft / 6,25 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Average freeboard:      19,15 ft / 5,84 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 133,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,4%
   Waterplane Area: 33 344 Square feet or 3 098 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 150 lbs/sq ft or 734 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,54
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[olekit24]

Battleship Iberia will be 2 years later

Iberia, Spain Battleship laid down 1908

Displacement:
   20 132 t light; 21 332 t standard; 22 550 t normal; 23 525 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (561,55 ft / 556,79 ft) x 81,36 ft x (27,26 / 28,26 ft)
   (171,16 m / 169,71 m) x 24,80 m  x (8,31 / 8,61 m)

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm 50,0 cal guns - 916,47lbs / 415,70kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      20 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      8 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 0 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 10 029 lbs / 4 549 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   469,72 ft / 143,17 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Ends:   4,33" / 110 mm     55,91 ft / 17,04 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
     31,17 ft / 9,50 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5,51" / 140 mm   351,25 ft / 107,06 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 130% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,38" / 35 mm   351,25 ft / 107,06 m   26,08 ft / 7,95 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 49,21 ft / 15,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   7,87" / 200 mm   2,56" / 65 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   3rd:   2,76" / 70 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 2,95" / 75 mm  Quarter deck: 2,95" / 75 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13,19" / 335 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 42 490 shp / 31 698 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 193 tons

Complement:
   919 - 1 196

Cost:
   £2,021 million / $8,084 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 085 tons, 9,2%
      - Guns: 2 085 tons, 9,2%
   Armour: 8 424 tons, 37,4%
      - Belts: 3 243 tons, 14,4%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 467 tons, 2,1%
      - Armament: 2 595 tons, 11,5%
      - Armour Deck: 1 892 tons, 8,4%
      - Conning Tower: 227 tons, 1,0%
   Machinery: 2 146 tons, 9,5%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 948 tons, 30,8%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 418 tons, 10,7%
   Miscellaneous weights: 529 tons, 2,3%
      - Hull below water: 252 tons
      - Hull above water: 252 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     28 561 lbs / 12 955 Kg = 33,0 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 4,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 4,3 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 16,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,80
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,639 / 0,643
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,84 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -1,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,48 ft / 0,45 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  20,51 ft / 6,25 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Average freeboard:      19,15 ft / 5,84 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135,5%
   Waterplane Area: 34 356 Square feet or 3 192 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 159 lbs/sq ft or 775 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,43
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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And another one is on the slipways

Joan De Bourbon, Spain BB laid down 1909

Displacement:
   28 133 t light; 29 970 t standard; 33 583 t normal; 36 474 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (688,89 ft / 684,55 ft) x 94,75 ft x (27,62 / 29,65 ft)
   (209,97 m / 208,65 m) x 28,88 m  x (8,42 / 9,04 m)

Armament:
      12 - 13,94" / 354 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 365,10lbs / 619,20kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model
     4 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      18 - 5,98" / 152 mm 50,0 cal guns - 113,45lbs / 51,46kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     7 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      3 raised mounts
      2 - 5,98" / 152 mm 50,0 cal guns - 113,45lbs / 51,46kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      12 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,63lbs / 16,16kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 5,71lbs / 2,59kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 19 123 lbs / 8 674 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,4" / 290 mm   508,53 ft / 155,00 m   11,65 ft / 3,55 m
   Ends:   0,43" / 11 mm   164,04 ft / 50,00 m   11,65 ft / 3,55 m
     11,98 ft / 3,65 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5,12" / 130 mm   297,97 ft / 90,82 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 114% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      0,39" / 10 mm   297,97 ft / 90,82 m   26,54 ft / 8,09 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 65,62 ft / 20,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   5,12" / 130 mm      13,9" / 354 mm
   2nd:   5,51" / 140 mm   2,36" / 60 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   3rd:   5,51" / 140 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2,95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 2,95" / 75 mm  Quarter deck: 2,95" / 75 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12,01" / 305 mm, Aft 7,87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 66 442 shp / 49 565 Kw = 24,60 kts
   Range 9 000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6 504 tons

Complement:
   1 239 - 1 612

Cost:
   £3,185 million / $12,738 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 430 tons, 10,2%
      - Guns: 3 430 tons, 10,2%
   Armour: 10 073 tons, 30,0%
      - Belts: 3 447 tons, 10,3%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 115 tons, 0,3%
      - Armament: 3 319 tons, 9,9%
      - Armour Deck: 2 747 tons, 8,2%
      - Conning Towers: 446 tons, 1,3%
   Machinery: 3 020 tons, 9,0%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 509 tons, 34,3%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 450 tons, 16,2%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,3%
      - Hull above water: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     38 943 lbs / 17 664 Kg = 28,8 x 13,9 " / 354 mm shells or 4,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 5,5 ft / 1,7 m
   Roll period: 17,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,84
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,656 / 0,664
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,22 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,16 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 4,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2,13 ft / 0,65 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   30,00%,  31,66 ft / 9,65 m,  28,38 ft / 8,65 m
      - Forward deck:   24,00%,  17,55 ft / 5,35 m,  16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Aft deck:   20,00%,  16,90 ft / 5,15 m,  16,90 ft / 5,15 m
      - Quarter deck:   26,00%,  16,90 ft / 5,15 m,  17,55 ft / 5,35 m
      - Average freeboard:      20,90 ft / 6,37 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131,2%
   Waterplane Area: 49 961 Square feet or 4 642 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 187 lbs/sq ft or 915 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,19
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[snip]

Couple comments on those last three battleships (I'm probably not going to have time to fully review the batch package for about a week)

General Things: The ships have an extraordinary amount of TDS depth for this era. While it is not strictly illegal, I really don't like it as I think it's cramping the hull to much. The thickness of the TDS is also low. The ships also have a very extraordinary range for the time period and environment. All the designs have a uniform thickness of armor on the deck for the whole ship. All of these things contribute to the large size of the ships compared to contemporaries (eg the Roman Praeventores class, layed down in the same window as the Joan De Bourbon weighs in almost 6000t lighter and has better armor protection. While the Praeventores trades the 24knts speed for 21knts and Electric Drives.)

Santisima Trinidad: Aside from the things mentioned above, this is a solid ship. Correcting/Adjusting the TDS and Range should provide improvements. Snip's Suggestions: Decrease range and adjust TDS beam to provide more interal space. Decrease thickness of non-citadel deck armor to increase the length of end belts to cover the whole ship.

Iberia (New): Where to begin here, aside from the things mentioned above. It's clearly an evolution of the ST, which is nice. But this takes a turn for the concerning. Trying to cram ten twin 152mm turrets (which I am not enthusiastic about appearing this early at all) on the deck with the twin 305mm turrets is madness. I would very much like to see a drawing of the proposed arrangement to better understand its failings. On a 170m hull, there is just not enough room for everything. Snip's Suggestions: Move the 152mm guns from turrets to casemates. Use savings from this to improve TDS thickness. Same modifications as the ST

Joan De Bourbon: First, this thing is a damn monster. Same comments regarding so many turreted secondaries as the Iberia. Where the other designs have long, but not super unreasonable, range this thing is just unrealistic. The end belts are so thin they may as well not exist. The TDS depth is reasonable, if large, but the bulkhead thickness is very low. the 24knts speed does not buy you much over the 23knts of the previous ships. It also does not carry enough weight to fit a fire control system, so all those big guns will not be hitting anything at the ranges comparable ships can put the hurt on her, which with her thinner armor is a flaw she cant ignore. Snip's suggestions: Decrease the massive range, use savings to provide Misc Weight for Fire Control and other things. Move 152mm guns to casemates, use savings to improve end protection. Knock speed to 23knts and use savings to improve armor protection.

[olekit24]

Santisima Trinidad, Spain Battleship laid down 1906

Displacement:
   19 166 t light; 20 321 t standard; 21 886 t normal; 23 137 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (545,14 ft / 540,39 ft) x 81,36 ft x (27,26 / 28,58 ft)
   (166,16 m / 164,71 m) x 24,80 m  x (8,31 / 8,71 m)

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm 50,0 cal guns - 916,46lbs / 415,70kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      20 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     20 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      16 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,99lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1896 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 9 701 lbs / 4 400 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   351,25 ft / 107,06 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Ends:   5,51" / 140 mm   189,11 ft / 57,64 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Upper:   5,51" / 140 mm   351,25 ft / 107,06 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      0,59" / 15 mm   351,25 ft / 107,06 m   27,26 ft / 8,31 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 72,18 ft / 22,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   7,87" / 200 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3,66" / 93 mm
   Forecastle: 2,56" / 65 mm  Quarter deck: 2,56" / 65 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13,19" / 335 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 42 293 shp / 31 550 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 816 tons

Complement:
   899 - 1 169

Cost:
   £1,939 million / $7,755 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 780 tons, 8,1%
      - Guns: 1 780 tons, 8,1%
   Armour: 7 516 tons, 34,3%
      - Belts: 3 053 tons, 14,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 209 tons, 1,0%
      - Armament: 1 882 tons, 8,6%
      - Armour Deck: 2 148 tons, 9,8%
      - Conning Tower: 222 tons, 1,0%
   Machinery: 2 746 tons, 12,5%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 387 tons, 29,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 719 tons, 12,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 737 tons, 3,4%
      - Hull below water: 300 tons
      - Hull above water: 352 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 60 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     26 833 lbs / 12 171 Kg = 31,0 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21
   Metacentric height 5,2 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 15,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,639 / 0,644
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,64 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -1,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,48 ft / 0,45 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  20,51 ft / 6,25 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Average freeboard:      19,15 ft / 5,84 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,4%
   Waterplane Area: 33 344 Square feet or 3 098 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 149 lbs/sq ft or 726 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,59
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Iberia, Spain Battleship laid down 1908

Displacement:
   23 354 t light; 25 022 t standard; 26 619 t normal; 27 896 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (581,66 ft / 580,18 ft) x 88,45 ft x (27,89 / 29,02 ft)
   (177,29 m / 176,84 m) x 26,96 m  x (8,50 / 8,85 m)

Armament:
      12 - 12,99" / 330 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 105,86lbs / 501,61kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1907 Model
     4 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,99lbs / 5,89kg shells, 0 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 15 968 lbs / 7 243 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   378,31 ft / 115,31 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Ends:   5,12" / 130 mm   178,44 ft / 54,39 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
     23,43 ft / 7,14 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5,12" / 130 mm   361,91 ft / 110,31 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      0,98" / 25 mm   378,31 ft / 115,31 m   26,08 ft / 7,95 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 78,74 ft / 24,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   5,12" / 130 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   5,91" / 150 mm   2,56" / 65 mm      5,91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   5,12" / 130 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3,54" / 90 mm
   Forecastle: 2,17" / 55 mm  Quarter deck: 2,17" / 55 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12,01" / 305 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 46 946 shp / 35 022 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 875 tons

Complement:
   1 041 - 1 354

Cost:
   £2,582 million / $10,327 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 853 tons, 10,7%
      - Guns: 2 853 tons, 10,7%
   Armour: 8 819 tons, 33,1%
      - Belts: 3 138 tons, 11,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 359 tons, 1,3%
      - Armament: 2 680 tons, 10,1%
      - Armour Deck: 2 411 tons, 9,1%
      - Conning Tower: 231 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 2 371 tons, 8,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 596 tons, 32,3%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 265 tons, 12,3%
   Miscellaneous weights: 715 tons, 2,7%
      - Hull below water: 300 tons
      - Hull above water: 290 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 125 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     31 001 lbs / 14 062 Kg = 28,3 x 13,0 " / 330 mm shells or 4,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 5,0 ft / 1,5 m
   Roll period: 16,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,96
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,651 / 0,656
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,09 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -1,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,48 ft / 0,45 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  20,51 ft / 6,25 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Average freeboard:      19,15 ft / 5,84 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137,0%
   Waterplane Area: 39 349 Square feet or 3 656 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 178 lbs/sq ft or 870 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,54
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Joan De Bourbon, Spain Battleship laid down 1909

Displacement:
   26 711 t light; 28 497 t standard; 30 152 t normal; 31 477 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (614,87 ft / 612,99 ft) x 93,70 ft x (28,05 / 29,10 ft)
   (187,41 m / 186,84 m) x 28,56 m  x (8,55 / 8,87 m)

Armament:
      12 - 12,99" / 330 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 105,85lbs / 501,61kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1907 Model
     4 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      16 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 4,13" / 105 mm 50,0 cal guns - 37,39lbs / 16,96kg shells, 0 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1907 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 16 595 lbs / 7 527 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,6" / 320 mm   398,00 ft / 121,31 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Ends:   5,51" / 140 mm   214,99 ft / 65,53 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Upper:   5,51" / 140 mm   398,00 ft / 121,31 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      0,98" / 25 mm   398,00 ft / 121,31 m   27,89 ft / 8,50 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 78,74 ft / 24,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   5,12" / 130 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   5,91" / 150 mm   2,56" / 65 mm      5,91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   5,12" / 130 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3,54" / 90 mm
   Forecastle: 2,17" / 55 mm  Quarter deck: 2,17" / 55 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12,01" / 305 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 50 009 shp / 37 306 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 980 tons

Complement:
   1 143 - 1 487

Cost:
   £2,748 million / $10,992 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 013 tons, 10,0%
      - Guns: 3 013 tons, 10,0%
   Armour: 10 223 tons, 33,9%
      - Belts: 3 625 tons, 12,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 404 tons, 1,3%
      - Armament: 3 236 tons, 10,7%
      - Armour Deck: 2 708 tons, 9,0%
      - Conning Tower: 251 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 2 273 tons, 7,5%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10 402 tons, 34,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 442 tons, 11,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 800 tons, 2,7%
      - Hull below water: 300 tons
      - Hull above water: 350 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     38 837 lbs / 17 616 Kg = 35,4 x 13,0 " / 330 mm shells or 5,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06
   Metacentric height 5,1 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 17,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,98
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,29

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,655 / 0,659
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,54 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 1,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,48 ft / 0,45 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  22,97 ft / 7,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  20,67 ft / 6,30 m
      - Average freeboard:      20,02 ft / 6,10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86,7%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145,0%
   Waterplane Area: 44 203 Square feet or 4 107 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 192 lbs/sq ft or 938 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,47
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[eltf177]

Two questions:

Santisima Trinidad, Spain Battleship laid down 1906

      20 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model <------------------------------
     20 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft <------------------------------------------

      16 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,99lbs / 5,89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1896 Model <-----------------------------
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas <---------------------------

[snip]

After thinking about it, Im really dissatisfied with the T&B mountings for the 152mm guns on the later battleship designs. It's far to early for them, as our cruisers cannot even mount them yet. I'm less opposed to M&H, as those come with some serious drawbacks for larger guns, but would prefer casemates for this era.

[Jefgte]

I have noted too

Naval Technologies

Capital Ship Architecture:
Baseline: Main guns in twin turrets, secondaries in casemate, tertiary in casemate or deck mounts.
1891: Mixed-caliber main battery (Main+intermediary calibers), Superfiring secondaries (Restricted Axial Firing Arcs) and Stacked Main Battery turrets OR Main caliber battery in AQY. [Pick One Only]
1903: All-big-gun ship with wing turrets OR Superfiring turrets (restricted axial firing arcs) [Pick one or both]
1905: Improved turret hydraulics, independent gun elevation, Torpedo Bulkheads, triple turrets
1910: Superfiring turrets (unrestricted firing arcs), "All or Nothing" Protective Schemes, "Pair of Twins" Quadruple turrets
1914: True Quadruple turrets, Sloped external belts
1920:  No restriction (high or low) on caliber of turreted guns
1926: Primitive DP secondary batteries
1932: Improved DP Secondary batteries. De-Capping plates
1940: Advanced DP Secondary batteries.
1946: Automatic Secondary Gun
...

Cruiser Architecture:
Baseline: guns in single mounts or casemates, on side/centerline
1900: ammunition hoists, deck torpedo armament, superfiring mounts. Cruisers under 6000 tons may have cross-sectional hull strength > 0.9
1910: twin gun mounts (require hoists); powered gun mounts; unrestricted weapon armor
1920:  No restriction (high or low) on caliber of turreted guns. Cruisers under 3000 tons may have cross-sectional hull strength > 0.75

You can't use this techno before 1912.

[olekit24]

ok

Vizcaya class cruises without turrets:

Azores, Iberia Cruiser laid down 1905

Displacement:
   5 444 t light; 5 690 t standard; 6 274 t normal; 6 741 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (431,96 ft / 426,80 ft) x 51,48 ft x (18,37 / 19,45 ft)
   (131,66 m / 130,09 m) x 15,69 m  x (5,60 / 5,93 m)

Armament:
      4 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 1 401 lbs / 635 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   342,78 ft / 104,48 m   8,63 ft / 2,63 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 124% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,56" / 65 mm         -               -
   2nd:   2,56" / 65 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2,60" / 66 mm
   Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5,91" / 150 mm, Aft 2,95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 23 714 shp / 17 690 Kw = 24,00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 052 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   352 - 458

Cost:
   £0,592 million / $2,369 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 339 tons, 5,4%
      - Guns: 339 tons, 5,4%
   Armour: 1 103 tons, 17,6%
      - Belts: 234 tons, 3,7%
      - Armament: 122 tons, 1,9%
      - Armour Deck: 682 tons, 10,9%
      - Conning Towers: 65 tons, 1,0%
   Machinery: 1 957 tons, 31,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 926 tons, 30,7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 830 tons, 13,2%
   Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 1,9%
      - Hull above water: 120 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 091 lbs / 2 309 Kg = 47,5 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22
   Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 13,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 81 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,544 / 0,552
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,66 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -2,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,87 ft / 0,57 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00%,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00%,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00%,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00%,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m,  18,70 ft / 5,70 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,79 ft / 5,42 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142,1%
   Waterplane Area: 15 247 Square feet or 1 416 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 84 lbs/sq ft or 411 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,94
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Battleships w/o secondary turrets

Iberia, Spain Battleship laid down 1908

Displacement:
   23 270 t light; 25 022 t standard; 26 619 t normal; 27 896 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (581,66 ft / 580,18 ft) x 88,45 ft x (27,89 / 29,02 ft)
   (177,29 m / 176,84 m) x 26,96 m  x (8,50 / 8,85 m)

Armament:
      12 - 12,99" / 330 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 105,86lbs / 501,61kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1907 Model
     4 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      24 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     24 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      24 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,99lbs / 5,89kg shells, 0 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 16 400 lbs / 7 439 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   378,31 ft / 115,31 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Ends:   5,12" / 130 mm   178,44 ft / 54,39 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
     23,43 ft / 7,14 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5,12" / 130 mm   361,91 ft / 110,31 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      0,98" / 25 mm   378,31 ft / 115,31 m   26,08 ft / 7,95 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 78,74 ft / 24,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   5,12" / 130 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   5,91" / 150 mm   2,56" / 65 mm      5,91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   5,12" / 130 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3,54" / 90 mm
   Forecastle: 2,17" / 55 mm  Quarter deck: 2,17" / 55 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12,01" / 305 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 46 946 shp / 35 022 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 875 tons

Complement:
   1 041 - 1 354

Cost:
   £2,558 million / $10,233 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 893 tons, 10,9%
      - Guns: 2 893 tons, 10,9%
   Armour: 8 525 tons, 32,0%
      - Belts: 3 134 tons, 11,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 359 tons, 1,3%
      - Armament: 2 391 tons, 9,0%
      - Armour Deck: 2 411 tons, 9,1%
      - Conning Tower: 231 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 2 371 tons, 8,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 356 tons, 31,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 349 tons, 12,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 1 125 tons, 4,2%
      - Hull below water: 550 tons
      - Hull above water: 450 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 125 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     31 049 lbs / 14 083 Kg = 28,3 x 13,0 " / 330 mm shells or 4,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
   Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 16,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,92
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,651 / 0,656
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,09 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -1,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,48 ft / 0,45 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  20,51 ft / 6,25 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m,  19,03 ft / 5,80 m
      - Average freeboard:      19,15 ft / 5,84 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137,0%
   Waterplane Area: 39 349 Square feet or 3 656 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 175 lbs/sq ft or 854 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,55
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Joan De Bourbon, Spain Battleship laid down 1909

Displacement:
   26 594 t light; 28 497 t standard; 30 152 t normal; 31 477 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (614,87 ft / 612,99 ft) x 93,70 ft x (28,05 / 29,10 ft)
   (187,41 m / 186,84 m) x 28,56 m  x (8,55 / 8,87 m)

Armament:
      12 - 14,02" / 356 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 388,37lbs / 629,75kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1909 Model
     4 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      20 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     20 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      20 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 4,13" / 105 mm 50,0 cal guns - 37,39lbs / 16,96kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1907 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 19 121 lbs / 8 673 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   398,00 ft / 121,31 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Ends:   5,51" / 140 mm   214,99 ft / 65,53 m   10,83 ft / 3,30 m
   Upper:   5,51" / 140 mm   398,00 ft / 121,31 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      0,98" / 25 mm   398,00 ft / 121,31 m   27,89 ft / 8,50 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 78,74 ft / 24,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   5,12" / 130 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   5,12" / 130 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,77" / 45 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3,54" / 90 mm
   Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12,01" / 305 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 50 009 shp / 37 306 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 980 tons

Complement:
   1 143 - 1 487

Cost:
   £2,921 million / $11,684 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 210 tons, 10,6%
      - Guns: 3 210 tons, 10,6%
   Armour: 9 757 tons, 32,4%
      - Belts: 3 694 tons, 12,3%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 404 tons, 1,3%
      - Armament: 2 732 tons, 9,1%
      - Armour Deck: 2 677 tons, 8,9%
      - Conning Tower: 251 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 2 273 tons, 7,5%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10 504 tons, 34,8%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 558 tons, 11,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 850 tons, 2,8%
      - Hull below water: 400 tons
      - Hull above water: 350 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     37 002 lbs / 16 784 Kg = 26,9 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 5,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
   Metacentric height 5,6 ft / 1,7 m
   Roll period: 16,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,31

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,655 / 0,659
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,54 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 1,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,48 ft / 0,45 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  22,97 ft / 7,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  20,67 ft / 6,30 m
      - Average freeboard:      20,02 ft / 6,10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,3%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145,0%
   Waterplane Area: 44 203 Square feet or 4 107 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 194 lbs/sq ft or 946 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,51
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Azores, Iberia Cruiser laid down 1905

Displacement:
   5 444 t light; 5 690 t standard; 6 274 t normal; 6 741 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (431,96 ft / 426,80 ft) x 51,48 ft x (18,37 / 19,45 ft)
   (131,66 m / 130,09 m) x 15,69 m  x (5,60 / 5,93 m)

Armament:
      4 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread


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Azores, Iberia Cruiser laid down 1905

Displacement:
   5 444 t light; 5 690 t standard; 6 274 t normal; 6 741 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (431,96 ft / 426,80 ft) x 51,48 ft x (18,37 / 19,45 ft)
   (131,66 m / 130,09 m) x 15,69 m  x (5,60 / 5,93 m)

Armament:
      4 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,99lbs / 5,89kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 1 401 lbs / 635 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   342,78 ft / 104,48 m   8,63 ft / 2,63 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 124% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,56" / 65 mm         -               -
   2nd:   2,56" / 65 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2,60" / 66 mm
   Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5,91" / 150 mm, Aft 2,95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 23 714 shp / 17 690 Kw = 24,00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 052 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   352 - 458

Cost:
   £0,592 million / $2,369 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 362 tons, 5,8%
      - Guns: 362 tons, 5,8%
   Armour: 1 102 tons, 17,6%
      - Belts: 234 tons, 3,7%
      - Armament: 121 tons, 1,9%
      - Armour Deck: 682 tons, 10,9%
      - Conning Towers: 65 tons, 1,0%
   Machinery: 1 957 tons, 31,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 904 tons, 30,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 830 tons, 13,2%
   Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 1,9%
      - Hull above water: 120 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 082 lbs / 2 305 Kg = 47,4 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22
   Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 13,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,544 / 0,552
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,66 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -2,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1,87 ft / 0,57 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00%,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00%,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00%,  17,06 ft / 5,20 m,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00%,  17,72 ft / 5,40 m,  18,70 ft / 5,70 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,79 ft / 5,42 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142,1%
   Waterplane Area: 15 247 Square feet or 1 416 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 84 lbs/sq ft or 411 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,94
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather