Parthian Empire

Started by Kaiser Kirk, February 18, 2017, 07:33:09 PM

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Kaiser Kirk

Having noticed that others are putting their designs down here, I thought I'd follow suit.
So first - the blathering :

So I've done a bit of prework the past couple evenings.

Conceptually, the late 1800s Parthian Navy would have been focused on an " Jeune École " concept.
Aggressive use of torpedo boats for coastal defense, while fielding a force of long range cruisers for commerce raiding or protecting.

For defense of the coastlines and ports, swarms of Torpedo boats would sortie and after they had damaged and sunk part of the enemy force,
a force of slow battleships screened by scout and protected cruisers could come and finish the job, or at least sink the cripples.

For commerce protection and raiding, the Parthian concerns cover the entire Indian Ocean (should be Persian Ocean) extend from the East, or Swahili Coast, of Africa to the straits of Malacca.
Unfortunately, much of the potential oppositions trade would be in the Atlantic or Med, well out of coal-fired range. As a result, a series of armored sailing frigates would have been fielded.
I expect that in a war, their worldwide presence would cause as much havoc as the German raiders did in WWI.

For raiding, a force of large, long ranged armored cruisers - a bit like the German Prinz Aldabert but expanded, would have allowed control of the Persian Ocean

Originally, my 1890s builds included some scout and protected cruisers, but they were coming out too slow for the 1900s, and so I figure they were all scrapped.
Likewise the original 1894 TB design has all been scrapped, as have most of the warships of that time.
That left some odd ball ships - torpedo boat carriers like HMS Vulcan, stores ships who's utilty continues, some of the large armored cruisers, and a couple of the old battleships, now used in a coast defense role,
and some armored sailing frigates which allow raiding across the globe.

General Notes :

I used Logi's ballistic's tool to generate artillery using the bore/caliber/ME of the gun tech chart.
I normallized the for HMS Orion vs. belt, and US 14"mk6 vs Deck to get an idea of the amount of armor I needed at different combat ranges vs. standard AP rounds.
For protected cruisers, the Main belt armor is 3.66m high to indicate that armor is applied to the slopes of the protective deck. I used armored decks if the % hullspace was >130%.
Otherwise protective decks are expected to be uniform thickness, and offer deflection / splinter protection behind the belt.

For this period, main belts generally protected the waterline, and the protective 'turtleback' deck crowned a short distance above it. My belts rise to at least the hieght of the protective deck, often 0.5m above to guard against plunging shells.
They also descend to roughly 1.5-2m below waterline.

For splinter protection, I figure 25-35mm covers all but the lightest rounds, 40-50mm is proof against all medium splinters as well as any HE round,  and 60-65mm is proof against even large caliber splinters.
This latter number tends to be the main armored deck thickness in the heavier units, with a 30mm armored splinter deck mounted higher.

Sidenote : I've read that one problem with historical armored deck numbers is they simply added up the entire thickness of the deck...both the mild steel deck plates and the actual armor plate on top of them.

Protected cruisers : These get simmed with a single protective deck, and then 3.66m high main belt armor to cover the slopes, the effect is additive.

Ranges : Usually I pick a time period I expect the ship to be at sea, usually 7-14 days for small units, 21 for medium, and 28 for long range.  Then I figure how much fuel they need, and work in a reserve.

Ventilation : When I think of the Persian Gulf, the word "hot" comes to mind. So all my ships have roughly 0.5% of displacement set aside On Deck as additional ventilation.

Construction reserve : Most vessels I'm putting 1% into the void areas. This came up in N6, it's an easy way for me to ensure I've got a little set aside, in N7 it won't effect cost at all.

Radios : I'm figuring that in 1905, most of my ships will be refitted with radios. You'll see that as 25t or 35t "above deck".  As that's just upperworks, that takes minimal work and 0.035 BP/ship. Which I can absorb.
I may also bother figuring out the cost to update the deckmounts at that time.  I'll take any wieght changes out of the aforementioned construction reserve....

Fire Control : I may work in pre-build refits to add fire control weight to those vessels without. I may not. We'll see.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

This is a fleet support ship to allow the navy to project throughout the Persian Ocean, from Indonesia to South Africa.

Parthia Fleet Support vessel laid down 1894

Displacement:
   7,499 t light; 7,729 t standard; 8,546 t normal; 9,200 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (334.88 ft / 328.08 ft) x 82.02 ft x (18.04 / 19.19 ft)
   (102.07 m / 100.00 m) x 25.00 m  x (5.50 / 5.85 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.50" / 165 mm 40.0 cal guns - 131.36lbs / 59.58kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1894 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 526 lbs / 239 kg

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,389 ihp / 3,274 Kw = 14.00 kts
   Range 5,690nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,471 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   443 - 577

Cost:
   £0.399 million / $1.598 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 69 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 820 tons, 9.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,072 tons, 24.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,047 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4,538 tons, 53.1 %
      - Hull below water: 2,000 tons
      - Hull void weights: 75 tons
      - Hull above water: 2,000 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 438 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,242 lbs / 5,553 Kg = 89.3 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.88
   Metacentric height 10.3 ft / 3.1 m
   Roll period: 10.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.616 / 0.624
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.91 ft / 6.07 m,  19.91 ft / 6.07 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.71 ft / 3.57 m,  11.71 ft / 3.57 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  11.71 ft / 3.57 m,  11.71 ft / 3.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  19.91 ft / 6.07 m,  19.91 ft / 6.07 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.99 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,977 Square feet or 1,856 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 84 lbs/sq ft or 410 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 2.00
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Misc weight :
4400 t  support
38t - ventilation
25t - long range radio 1905
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

#2
The Armored Frigate. This vessel allows commerce raiding globally, not tied to coal refueling bases. Heavy enough weaponry to damage or destroy a Q ship, scout or protected cruiser. In 1910 she can be hunted down, but given the resources the Brits had to allocate in WWI for the German light cruisers, I think they are justified in retention.
One should notice the 60tons in "extra supplies", I backed out fuel and ammunition from "Fuel, ammunition & stores: 342 tons, 10.3 %" to figure out how much to add. The problem is I forget what time period I decided on...I think I doubled it, so it should be good for 2, maybe 3 months between ports.
Artemisia, Parthian Frigate laid down 1894

This one uses Walter's formula for sails and corrects the engine type to simple.
I may do another slightly larger version of this based off the [/i]Shah of Persia[/i], but for now I'm trying to keep these raiders small and cheap.

Artemisia, Parthian Frigate laid down 1894

Displacement:
   2,995 t light; 3,132 t standard; 3,337 t normal; 3,501 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (331.82 ft / 328.08 ft) x 42.65 ft x (13.12 / 13.67 ft)
   (101.14 m / 100.00 m) x 13.00 m  x (4.00 / 4.17 m)

Armament:
      4 - 7.09" / 180 mm 40.0 cal guns - 170.54lbs / 77.36kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 21.50lbs / 9.75kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 74.0 cal guns - 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 2,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 855 lbs / 388 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.38" / 35 mm   236.22 ft / 72.00 m   12.01 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   1.38" / 35 mm     91.83 ft / 27.99 m   12.01 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck: 1.18" / 30 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.54" / 90 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,651 ihp / 3,470 Kw = 16.85 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 369 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   219 - 285

Cost:
   £0.263 million / $1.051 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 117 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 496 tons, 14.9 %
      - Belts: 220 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armament: 26 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 233 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 869 tons, 26.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 952 tons, 28.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 342 tons, 10.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 560 tons, 16.8 %
      - Hull below water: 230 tons
      - Hull void weights: 10 tons
      - Hull above water: 140 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 55 tons
      - Above deck: 125 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,607 lbs / 1,636 Kg = 20.3 x 7.1 " / 180 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 11.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 98 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.97

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.641
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  17.59 ft / 5.36 m,  15.12 ft / 4.61 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  15.12 ft / 4.61 m,  12.66 ft / 3.86 m
      - Aft deck:   52.00 %,  12.66 ft / 3.86 m,  12.66 ft / 3.86 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  12.66 ft / 3.86 m,  14.30 ft / 4.36 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.61 ft / 4.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,582 Square feet or 983 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 314 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Named after Grand Admiral Artemisia, a fameous admiral from 480BCE. She was known for leading her navy against the Greek City States.

With a full rig, this vessel could do 12. knots at a cost 45 above deck, 195 below deck

This vessel is full rigged
The Persians  belive the full rigging, the modest bunker (195t) and small size / draft means the vessel can have nearly unlimited range, calling on any anchorage world wide. All while not belching a cloud of coal smoke on the horizon. This series of raiders are full rigged sailing vessels. An anachronism in many ways, the purpose is to allow raiders to operate around the world, threatening enemy mercantile traffic everywhere. The opposition is not expected to field substantive forces, but the combination of guns does make this vessel capable of combatting most light cruisers of the time successfully.


The four heavy 180mm main guns mounted in casements allow both fore/aft fire, and 2 gun broadside fire. This in combo with the 4-gun batteries of 90mm guns gives it the ability to fight off the typical light cruisers of the world.

Armor :
The citadel is expanded fore/aft 12m (adjusted bow/stern %) to ensure critical systems fit below.

A protective deck, crowning at +1.42m and descending to -1.06m is fitted.
The deck has a 30mm crown, and 65mm slopes the entire length of the ship.
Decks :
+3.86
+1.42
-1.02
-3.82

Miscellaneous Weight :
200 below : Masts
30 below : 2 bow torpedo tubes, 20 16" torpedoes, sited below protective deck

50 in hull : quarters for Marine Section : 25 men
60 in hull : Extra supplies
30 in hull : Brig for prisoners

40 on deck : 2 x 10t motor launch
15 on deck : Extra ventilation

25 Above deck : Long Range radio, refitted 1905.
100 Above deck : Sails

Void : 10t excess


Quote"half hull speed = 5% normal displacement weight, every additional knot = +1% normal displacement weight, every additional knot above hull speed = +2% normal displacement weight"
This is the alternate means of calculating sailing rig.
With a normal of  3,337  a 1/2 hull speed (9.065kts) costs : 166.85t
For every additional +1  knot the cost is 33.37t
10kts : 200.22
11kts : 233.59
12kts : 266.96
13kts : 300.33
Split 2/3 below, 1/3 above
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

#3
Edit : Modified to correct the single-gun main batteries Walter noted.

This is the long legged, fast (for 1894), and large armored cruiser.
For beam, I used the twin 240mm AH Wein class. For length, I just kept going until I could get a great speed for 1894. Armor is similar to the early French and German Armored Cruisers,
and should defeat any scout or protected cruiser out there. I view that as consistent with the "Jeune École" goals of commerce focus. 

The result is a bit expensive - my Italian ACR for this period were ~6000-7000 tons, but a couple squadrons of these would help control the Persian Ocean. I figure by 1910 they would be in need of a refit and cruiser speeds will have passed them so many would be scrapped, but there would be some survivors in the fleet.

Buchephalus, Parthia Armored Cruiser laid down 1894

Displacement:
   8,997 t light; 9,489 t standard; 10,734 t normal; 11,730 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (538.06 ft / 531.50 ft) x 55.77 ft x (24.28 / 26.01 ft)
   (164.00 m / 162.00 m) x 17.00 m  x (7.40 / 7.93 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 403.45lbs / 183.00kg shells, 132 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.09" / 180 mm 40.0 cal guns - 165.35lbs / 75.00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 2.65lbs / 1.20kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,979 lbs / 1,351 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.72" / 120 mm   414.57 ft / 126.36 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   414.57 ft / 126.36 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 120 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   4.72" / 120 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm

   - Protected deck - single deck: 1.18" / 30 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 15,230 ihp / 11,361 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 7,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,241 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   526 - 685

Cost:
   £0.907 million / $3.629 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 507 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 2,107 tons, 19.6 %
      - Belts: 1,305 tons, 12.2 %
      - Armament: 316 tons, 2.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 444 tons, 4.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 41 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,847 tons, 26.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,266 tons, 30.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,737 tons, 16.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 270 tons, 2.5 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull void weights: 100 tons
      - Hull above water: 70 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 45 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,152 lbs / 4,605 Kg = 24.1 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 13.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 83 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.67

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.522 / 0.533
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.53 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   11.00 %,  25.82 ft / 7.87 m,  22.54 ft / 6.87 m
      - Forward deck:   24.00 %,  22.54 ft / 6.87 m,  22.54 ft / 6.87 m
      - Aft deck:   54.00 %,  14.34 ft / 4.37 m,  14.34 ft / 4.37 m
      - Quarter deck:   11.00 %,  14.34 ft / 4.37 m,  14.34 ft / 4.37 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.35 ft / 5.29 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,155 Square feet or 1,872 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 510 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Intended as the Navalism Analog of the French prototype AC, Dupey De Lome.

Upper belt of 100mm armor protects the upper hull and connects to
main belt, which carries120mm armor to -1.13m below waterline and is backed by the protective deck.

Protective Deck crowns at +1.14 and is 30mm .

Range is equivalent of 28 days at 10kts, with a 10% reserve

Misc Wt.
25t- 1905 refit radio
45t - 0.5% increased ventilation
50t - Marine Section (25men)
20t - Brig
30t - 4 torpedo tubes (2 each beam) with 20 torpedoes
100t - Construction reserve
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

#4
Edit : modified to address Walter's find that my main battery turrets were singles... not twins

I've gone back and forth on the type of predreadnaughts I want.
Something like the early US Predreads like USS Oregon, mainly coastal defense and limited open ocean ability was my original idea. 
Basically a squadron or two that would mop up the damaged and crippled ships after the torpedo boats did their thing near harbors and straits.

By time I finished designing the ship, sticking in the guns and armor I wanted, it was fairly large.
I've built a smaller, leaner, shorter ranged version...which only 10,000 tons.

So I've got this version, I expect older predreads were closer to USS Oregon and have been scrapped already, but 2-4 of these form a reserve squadron.  I may still make something closer to Jefgte's Abdul Kadir, as that's closer to what I want in size, but the guns and armor do not meet my threshold.

Tortoise, Parthia Predreadnaught laid down 1894

Displacement:
   11,499 t light; 12,256 t standard; 13,281 t normal; 14,101 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (360.89 ft / 354.33 ft) x 85.30 ft x (24.61 / 25.87 ft)
   (110.00 m / 108.00 m) x 26.00 m  x (7.50 / 7.89 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.58" / 345 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1,168.45lbs / 530.00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1889 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 7.09" / 180 mm 40.0 cal guns - 165.35lbs / 75.00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1889 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      16 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 2.64lbs / 1.20kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1889 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,700 lbs / 3,039 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   248.03 ft / 75.60 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   106.27 ft / 32.39 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Upper:   8.27" / 210 mm   248.03 ft / 75.60 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   6.50" / 165 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   8.27" / 210 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm

   - Protected deck - single deck: 2.56" / 65 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.60" / 320 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 10,945 ihp / 8,165 Kw = 16.75 kts
   Range 5,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,845 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   618 - 804

Cost:
   £1.114 million / $4.457 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 896 tons, 6.7 %
   Armour: 4,316 tons, 32.5 %
      - Belts: 2,353 tons, 17.7 %
      - Armament: 829 tons, 6.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 982 tons, 7.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 152 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 2,046 tons, 15.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,904 tons, 29.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,782 tons, 13.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 337 tons, 2.5 %
      - Hull below water: 147 tons
      - Hull void weights: 110 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 55 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,603 lbs / 7,985 Kg = 14.0 x 13.6 " / 345 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.62
   Metacentric height 8.8 ft / 2.7 m
   Roll period: 12.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.625 / 0.631
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.15 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  14.67 ft / 4.47 m,  14.67 ft / 4.47 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  14.67 ft / 4.47 m,  14.67 ft / 4.47 m
      - Aft deck:   50.00 %,  14.67 ft / 4.47 m,  14.67 ft / 4.47 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  14.67 ft / 4.47 m,  14.67 ft / 4.47 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.67 ft / 4.47 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,627 Square feet or 2,102 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 704 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.79
      - Overall: 1.01
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


+4.47 Weather deck, Top of upper belt, upper 25mm armor deck
+1.97 Third Deck, Top of main belt, crown of protective deck 40mm
-0.53 Second Deck, edge of protective deck
-1.03 Bottom of Main Belt
-3.05 First Deck
-7.05 Engineering Deck

Misc Wt.
25t- long range radio
55t - 0.5% increased ventilation
30t - 4 torpedo tubes (2 each beam) with 20 torpedoes
117t - torpedo nets
110t - Construction reserve



Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

Then there's HMS Vulcan and her like.
Torpedo boats of the era were considered the 'killer app' against the big slow moving targets...err battleships, but were short ranged, not suited for open ocean.
So they were kinda tied to littoral zones.

However, some ships were built that were dedicated to carrying the torpedo boats so you could use them in unexpected times and places. This seemed a neat period idea to explore, and with the MTB-A tech one that would still be relevant in 1910, so some of these ships would reasonably be retained.

In the tradition of HMS Vulcan, this is a Torpedo Boat Carrier
Armed like an early armored cruiser, armored against HE rounds, and faster than most larger ships (historically that is), these were expected to be able to sucessfully fend off protected cruisers or hurt armored cruisers that caught them.

However the primary role was to convey TB squadrons to new locations. Either for patrol purposes, or to conduct a moonlight raid on opposing shipping lanes, the sudden appearance of 48 torpedo boats was expected to cause problems. Likewise, it was envisioned these vessels could accompany the battle fleet, launch the torpedo boats from behind the battleline, and force the opposing fleet to choose between deploying torpedo nets and slowing- thus giving the Parthians a critical chance to cross the T, or taking evasive manuevers and disrupting the formation, again allowing the Parthians to concentrate.

I've discovered that Parthian/Old Persian names will be an issue in naming ships. So no name beyond TBC for now.

Enter ship name, Enter country Torpedo Boat Carrier laid down 1894

Displacement:
   7,500 t light; 7,823 t standard; 8,638 t normal; 9,290 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (464.54 ft / 459.32 ft) x 52.49 ft x (19.69 / 20.94 ft)
   (141.59 m / 140.00 m) x 16.00 m  x (6.00 / 6.38 m)

Armament:
      8 - 7.09" / 180 mm 40.0 cal guns - 165.35lbs / 75.00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 2.65lbs / 1.20kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 1,355 lbs / 614 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   301.84 ft / 92.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   157.45 ft / 47.99 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   301.84 ft / 92.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 0.98" / 25 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.97" / 50 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11,749 ihp / 8,765 Kw = 19.00 kts
   Range 5,675nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,467 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   447 - 582

Cost:
   £0.629 million / $2.514 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 184 tons, 2.1 %
   Armour: 931 tons, 10.8 %
      - Belts: 558 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armament: 33 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 322 tons, 3.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 2,196 tons, 25.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,274 tons, 26.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,139 tons, 13.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1,915 tons, 22.2 %
      - Hull below water: 552 tons
      - Hull void weights: 40 tons
      - Hull above water: 280 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 960 tons
      - Above deck: 83 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,189 lbs / 4,168 Kg = 51.6 x 7.1 " / 180 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 13.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.637 / 0.644
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.57 ft / 7.49 m,  24.57 ft / 7.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.57 ft / 5.05 m,  16.57 ft / 5.05 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.57 ft / 5.05 m,  16.57 ft / 5.05 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.57 ft / 5.05 m,  16.57 ft / 5.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.17 ft / 5.54 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,251 Square feet or 1,696 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 81 lbs/sq ft or 394 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight :
120t - Torpedo Nets
48t -  Support for 480tons of TBs
128t - Torpedo Reloads ( 8TB x 2 torps x 2t = 4 full reserve loads)
256t - Fuel for TBs (4tx 8TB: 32, so 8 trips)

280t - Berthing for Crew of TBs

960t - 8 x 60t TB
48t - Cranes


35t - Long & short range radios added in 1905 refit
40t - construction reserve (was 75 prior to 1905)
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

and now to 1895- 1900 !

Once again I trot out the stretched Hapsburg class inspired double casement battleship.
I mean..20 x 180mm... what's not to like?  This marks the Parthian Empire fielding true seagoing battleships, and they set a high fleet speed to take advantage of the compound engines. The oil from Baku finds a use being sprayed on the coal, greatly increasing the energy release.  These two factors drive a new class of protected cruisers and a new, ocean going torpedo boat destoyer, in addition to new torpedo boats. This time period apparently is when a great deal of the naval infrastructure and army is built up.


Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

The double-casement monster with the raised amidships to accomodate. The 5meters high 165mm armor to protect the casements is a very expensive use of tonnage, and may explain why this didn't catch on that well.

Still I really like the concept :)

Chariot, Parthia battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   14,250 t light; 15,161 t standard; 16,218 t normal; 17,064 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (493.77 ft / 487.20 ft) x 78.74 ft x (26.90 / 28.01 ft)
   (150.50 m / 148.50 m) x 24.00 m  x (8.20 / 8.54 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm 45.0 cal guns - 793.66lbs / 360.00kg shells, 103 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      20 - 7.09" / 180 mm 45.0 cal guns - 176.37lbs / 80.00kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
     8 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2.87lbs / 1.30kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,748 lbs / 3,061 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.4" / 315 mm   316.67 ft / 96.52 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Ends:   2.56" / 65 mm   170.51 ft / 51.97 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Upper:   6.50" / 165 mm   246.06 ft / 75.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 255 mm   6.50" / 165 mm      9.45" / 240 mm
   2nd:   6.50" / 165 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm

   - Protected deck - single deck: 2.56" / 65 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.40" / 315 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 20,628 ihp / 15,389 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 5,820nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,903 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   718 - 934

Cost:
   £1.427 million / $5.709 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,130 tons, 7.0 %
   Armour: 4,930 tons, 30.4 %
      - Belts: 2,753 tons, 17.0 %
      - Armament: 977 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,030 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 171 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 3,191 tons, 19.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,565 tons, 28.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,968 tons, 12.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 434 tons, 2.7 %
      - Hull below water: 189 tons
      - Hull void weights: 140 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 70 tons
      - Above deck: 35 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,621 lbs / 8,900 Kg = 23.8 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 6.3 ft / 1.9 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.61

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.556
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.19 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.07 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.29 ft / 3.44 m,  11.29 ft / 3.44 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  19.49 ft / 5.94 m,  19.49 ft / 5.94 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  19.49 ft / 5.94 m,  19.49 ft / 5.94 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  11.29 ft / 3.44 m,  11.29 ft / 3.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.39 ft / 4.69 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,773 Square feet or 2,487 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 658 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.81
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

This is a expanded version of the OTL Hapsburg class, with 5 double-stacked casements instead of 3. The midships is raised, as is the upper belt, to provide room for those casements.


Range is equivalent of 21 days at 10kts with a 10% reserve

Misc Wt.
35- Short & Long Range Radios
70t - 0.5% increased ventilation
40t - 4 torpedo tubes (2 each beam) with 20 torpedoes
149t - Torpedo Nets
140t - Construction reserve

+5.94 Double Stacked Casement Citadel, Upper Armored Deck 25mm
+3.44  Weather Deck
+0.94  3rd Deck, Top Main belt, Crown Protective Deck 40mm
-1.56   2nd Deck  Bottom Main Belt, Edge Protective Deck
-4.06  1st Deck
-8.06 Engineering Deck
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

#8
This class of protected cruiser, and the one in 1904, replaced many of the earlier vessels. How do I know? because those sims were coming out at 18-19knts and very unsatisfactory, so when I made this, I realized those older ones could be scrapped.

I still may go back and field a 3,000 ton unarmored scout cruiser, had one for the <1894 set, but haven't made a later one.

PC-1, Parthia Protected Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   5,994 t light; 6,196 t standard; 7,019 t normal; 7,677 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (492.13 ft / 475.72 ft) x 47.57 ft x (21.33 / 22.84 ft)
   (150.00 m / 145.00 m) x 14.50 m  x (6.50 / 6.96 m)

Armament:
      6 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.89lbs / 63.00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on sides forward
      8 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2.87lbs / 1.30kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 856 lbs / 388 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.56" / 65 mm   437.99 ft / 133.50 m   12.01 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 142 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.98" / 25 mm            -

   - Protected deck - single deck: 0.98" / 25 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.00" / 0 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.54" / 90 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 18,533 ihp / 13,826 Kw = 22.50 kts
   Range 7,400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,481 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   383 - 498

Cost:
   £0.652 million / $2.606 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 145 tons, 2.1 %
   Armour: 871 tons, 12.4 %
      - Belts: 520 tons, 7.4 %
      - Armament: 48 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 275 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 28 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,867 tons, 40.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,802 tons, 25.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,025 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 308 tons, 4.4 %
      - Hull below water: 193 tons
      - Hull void weights: 60 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 30 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,173 lbs / 1,893 Kg = 30.4 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 11.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 86 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.72

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.509 / 0.520
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   4.00 %,  17.26 ft / 5.26 m,  17.26 ft / 5.26 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  17.26 ft / 5.26 m,  17.26 ft / 5.26 m
      - Aft deck:   42.00 %,  12.34 ft / 3.76 m,  12.34 ft / 3.76 m
      - Quarter deck:   4.00 %,  12.34 ft / 3.76 m,  12.34 ft / 3.76 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.99 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 141.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,203 Square feet or 1,412 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 73 lbs/sq ft or 357 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.34
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Intended as a Protected  Cruiser for the fleet
The vessel is fitted with a protective deck, 90mm on the slopes and 25mm on the flat

30t - 0.5% increased ventilation
48t - 2 tubes each beam, 2 in bow, 8 torpedoes at each spot (24 torps)
145t - torpedo nets

60t - construction reserve

+5.26 Forecastle deck
+3.76 Weather Deck
+1.26 2nd deck, top of main belt, protective deck
-1.24  Bottom of main belt, 1st deck
-5.74  Engineering Deck
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

This represents the first effort an an ocean going torpedo boat, and since it has a 90mm gun, they consider it a torpedo boat destroyer. It has several deficiencies.

Javelin, Parthia Destroyer laid down 1900

Displacement:
   210 t light; 219 t standard; 249 t normal; 274 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (235.97 ft / 234.58 ft) x 21.33 ft x (4.59 / 4.89 ft)
   (71.93 m / 71.50 m) x 6.50 m  x (1.40 / 1.49 m)

Armament:
      1 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1900 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2.65lbs / 1.20kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 27 lbs / 12 kg

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 2,126 ihp / 1,586 Kw = 20.90 kts, trial speed 26.90 kts
   Range 2,050nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 56 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   30 - 40

Cost:
   £0.028 million / $0.111 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 5 tons, 2.2 %
   Machinery: 136 tons, 54.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 61 tons, 24.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 39 tons, 15.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 8 tons, 3.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     78 lbs / 36 Kg = 3.5 x 3.5 " / 90 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.74
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 8.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.392
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 182.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,871 Square feet or 267 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 37 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 73 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.51
      - Longitudinal: 0.50
      - Overall: 0.50
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

And this is a 1900 version of the 1894 Torpedo boat. The switch from simple engines and 100% coal to complex and 10% meant the earlier vessels have likely been scrapped, and these are what the TBCs carry around.

Not nearly as capable as the Destroyer, but a swarm of them would discomfort most enemy squadrons near one of their harbors, or in a strait.

Dart, Parthian Torpedo Boat laid down 1900

Displacement:
   60 t light; 61 t standard; 63 t normal; 65 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (111.55 ft / 106.63 ft) x 9.84 ft x (5.25 / 5.34 ft)
   (34.00 m / 32.50 m) x 3.00 m  x (1.60 / 1.63 m)

Armament:
      1 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 2.65lbs / 1.20kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing gun in casemate mount, 1899 Model
     1 x Single mount on sides forward
      2 - 0.30" / 7.5 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 3 lbs / 1 kg

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 808 ihp / 603 Kw = 18.60 kts, trial speed 24.60 kts
   Range 156nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   10 - 14

Cost:
   £0.007 million / $0.029 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 36 tons, 57.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 18 tons, 29.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 tons, 5.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 6.4 %
      - Hull above water: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 lbs / 6 Kg = 5.1 x 1.8 " / 45 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 0.2 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 9.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 81 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.62

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.403
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.83 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 10.33 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -45.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  5.25 ft / 1.60 m,  5.25 ft / 1.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  5.25 ft / 1.60 m,  5.25 ft / 1.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      5.91 ft / 1.80 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 196.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 68.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 611 Square feet or 57 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 10 lbs/sq ft or 49 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 5.65
      - Overall: 0.63
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

1900 60-ton Torpedo Boat.
The forecastle has a low turtleback deck, with the two 18" torpedoes firing through ports in the bow.
A 45mm quick firing gun is augmented by a pair of Maxim MGs for self defense.

Trial, or Attack, speed is 24.8knts.

Range is sufficient to allow a 12 hour run with a 10% reserve. Range can be increased by reducing speed to 10knts to compensate for any full power attack runs. 
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Walter

Regarding sails:
You could split it up like that. Looking at the rule you used, of the 8% of the normal displacement needed for the miscellaneous weights, only 1.5% of the normal displacement would be for the sails and rigging which is about 20% of that 8% required so 1/3 should be okay. I keep it simple and just dump it all in the 'above deck' location. It is going to have a slightly more negative impact on the design's stability, but I don't think it is an issue as it can easily be solved by adjusting the trim a bit.

Regarding Chariot:
Hmm... looking at the image of the Habsburg, it is probably not the way I would sim it.

Regarding Tortoise:
Quote4 - 13.58" / 345 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1,168.45lbs / 530.00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1889 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
... considering that there is nothing else about the 345mm guns, I would assume that these should be twins and not singles, right?

Regarding Buchephalus:
Same as Tortoise. I assume the main guns should be twins.

Kaiser Kirk

#12
Good catches on the guns Walter. I've fixed that, saved some comp hull on both vessels. Used it on Tortoise to up the speed to 17kts, while for Bucephalus I put 25mm dividers in the casement.

As for the Hapsburg concept.  I have to raise the midships to avoid getting an error message on the height of the upper belt, because I have to stretch that upwards to cover the area of the double decks. That allows one casement to be below freeboard, and one at freeboard, which is what the pictures and drawings of the Hapsburg class seem to show. The raised midships that results is the same as I did when I first started building a double casement ship in N2, and got reviewed then, and I reused the same approach with the Regina Margherita in N6.

Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

So this is a 4000 ton version of the sailing frigate, using Walter's sail formula, but this time fitted as an armored cruiser.
It's a somewhat more robust vessel. Definitely a handful for any period protected cruiser, and slightly faster than historical larger ships in this period.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1894

Displacement:
   3,998 t light; 4,191 t standard; 4,713 t normal; 5,130 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (347.76 ft / 339.57 ft) x 46.82 ft x (20.51 / 21.88 ft)
   (106.00 m / 103.50 m) x 14.27 m  x (6.25 / 6.67 m)

Armament:
      4 - 7.09" / 180 mm 40.0 cal guns - 165.35lbs / 75.00kg shells, 190 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1889 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 20.94lbs / 9.50kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1889 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm 74.0 cal guns - 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 830 lbs / 377 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   220.73 ft / 67.28 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   118.83 ft / 36.22 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Hull Bulges:
      0.00" / 0 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   0.00 ft / 0.00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm

   - Protected deck - single deck: 0.79" / 20 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 0.79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,640 ihp / 4,208 Kw = 17.00 kts
   Range 5,400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 939 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   283 - 369

Cost:
   £0.324 million / $1.295 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 113 tons, 2.4 %
   Armour: 778 tons, 16.5 %
      - Belts: 579 tons, 12.3 %
      - Armament: 43 tons, 0.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 156 tons, 3.3 %
   Machinery: 1,054 tons, 22.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,134 tons, 24.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 715 tons, 15.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 919 tons, 19.5 %
      - Hull below water: 416 tons
      - Hull void weights: 15 tons
      - Hull above water: 218 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 60 tons
      - Above deck: 210 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,022 lbs / 2,278 Kg = 28.2 x 7.1 " / 180 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 95 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.90

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.506 / 0.516
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.28 ft / 6.18 m,  15.68 ft / 4.78 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  15.68 ft / 4.78 m,  11.09 ft / 3.38 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  11.09 ft / 3.38 m,  11.09 ft / 3.38 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.09 ft / 3.38 m,  12.73 ft / 3.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.42 ft / 4.09 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 89.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,650 Square feet or 989 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 68 lbs/sq ft or 332 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 1.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

A three masted barque rigged steel hulled  windjammer for commerce raiding on a global scale.
She is fitted as an armored cruiser, with full 100mm armor up to the weather deck.

Twin barreled hand cranked Gardner guns are fitted aloft in the crows nests.

The weather deck has stations for 8 x 90mm guns on simple deck mounts.

The short Upper belt is fitted as a 40m long citadel for the casemented 180mm guns, with guns mounted at each end to allow fore/aft fire. A 25mm divider seperates the guns and there is armor protection for the hoist and ready locker.



Sail plan : 16kts
5% of 4713         :  235.65  9.205knts
+6.795% sails   :  320.25  +6.795kts
                         -------
                         556
2/3 below- 372t
1/3 above -186t

Misc weight:
Hull below
45t - 20 x 16" torpedos, 2 tubes bow + 10 torps,  2 each beam, 20 torps.
371t - Masts and spare sails

Hull above
50t Brig
50t Marine Detachment (25)
118 - one month stores

On Deck
20t ventilation
40t 2x 10t motor launches

Above deck
25t Long range Radio (refitted 1905)
185t Sails

Void
15t construction reserve

Decks
+3.38   Weather deck, top of upper belt.
+1.38   2nd deck , Gun deck, Top of main belt,  Crown of protective deck
- 1.12   1st deck, Bottom of main belt, bottom edge of protective deck
- 5.44   Engineering deck
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Walter

QuoteGood catches on the guns Walter. I'll have to fix that.
I noticed them as I know that I messed up here and there as well with a few of my designs so I should check them to be sure they are all correct before posting (though it is still possible that I miss it).
QuoteAs for the Hapsburg concept.  I have to raise the midships to avoid getting an error message on the height of the upper belt, because I have to stretch that upwards to cover the area of the double decks. That allows 1 casement to be below freeboard, and one at freeboard, which is what the pictures seem to show. The raised midships is the same as I did when I first started building a double casement ship in N2, and got reviewed then, and I reused the same approach with the Regina Margherita in N6.
It is not an error message. It is just a warning. I usually ignore that warning as there is no negative effect on the vessel... unlike making the main belt longer than your ship in which case the warning is also an error message as you get a few 'NaN' remarks in the sim.

To me the raised section would be similar to the superstructure bit I see with the side view of the Habsburg which would mean that the upper casemates should be "Below deck" and the lower casemates should be "Lower deck". You would also have the issue that the main guns are a lot higher than what they would be in the image which is wasting hull strength.

I would sim it with a flush deck, remove the "too tall for hull" warning and replace it with the remark that part of the upper belt is above deck to protect the casemates above deck.