Subdividing India, redux

[Darman]

Since the rules patch for 1903 has gone through I'm once again revisiting the notion of dividing India up into provinces.  These are ideas only, and planned implementation is 1905-1906.  The numbers are done using 1903 population and IC. 

1903/1 data:

Region	Pop	IC	BP	Revenue	Research
India	306.373	25	4	80.6373	0

Using a source that gave rough estimates of the populations of various regions/native states of India based on the March 1901 census I have the following information (multiplied all original numbers from the source by 1.08, that being the multiplier needed to bring total population from 1901 census up to my 1903 population). 

Region	Pop	IC	BP	Revenue	Research
Assam	6.616	1	0	2.6616	0
Bengal	79.050	9	0	25.905	0
City of Calcutta	1.394	1	2	2.1394	0
Bengali Agency	3.996	0	0	0.3996	0
Bombay Presidency	19.802	1	0	3.9802	0
City of Bombay	1.038	1	1	2.1038	0
Bombay Agency	6.866	0	0	0.6866	0
Central Provinces	10.508	1	0	3.0508	0
Central Province Agency	2.160	0	0	0.216	0
Berar Agency	3.129	1	0	2.3129	0
Madras Presidency	40.598	2	0	8.0598	0
Madras Agency	4.536	0	0	0.4536	0
City of Madras	1.072	1	1	2.1072	0
Punjab Province	21.600	1	0	4.16	0
Punjabi Agency	5.265	0	0	0.5265	0
Northwest Frontier	2.295	0	0	0.2295	0
United Provinces	51.516	3	0	11.1516	0
United Provinces Agency	0.864	0	0	0.0864	0
Baroda Agency	2.160	0	0	0.216	0
Central India Agency	9.364	0	0	0.9364	0
Rajputana Agency	10.530	0	0	1.053	0
Kashmir Agency	3.240	0	0	0.324	0
Kingdom of Hyderabad	11.880	2	0	5.188	0
Kingdom of Mysore	5.940	1	0	2.594	0
Baluchistan Agency	0.954	0	0	0.0954	0
Total	306.373	25	4	80.6373	0

My reasoning for giving almost no IC to the various "Agency" regions is because these regions do not fall under the direct control of the British government in India (the British "Raj").  The "Agency" regions actually consist of varying numbers of Princely States which are nominally autonomous internally (with a lot of input from the British "Agents" stationed there) but their external/foreign policies are dictated by the King/Emperor (or Queen/Empress).  Bengal was considered one of the wealthier provinces.  Calcutta is the capital city during this time period, hence why it is separated out.  The cities of Madras and Bombay get similar treatment because they are the historic capitals of the Madras Presidency and Bombay Presidencies respectively.  At one point in time there were three separate governments in India: Bombay, Madras, and Bengal.  My thought was to develop these former (and current) capitals into economic engines for their respective regions as the sites of large ports, naval bases, and RN dockyards. 

I'm considering consolidating some of the regions. 

Thoughts?

[Darman]

Oh, and here's a map

[Walter]

So you want to go from this...

Country	Year	Half	War	Ratio
United Kingdom	1902	2	NO	50
Region	Pop	IC	BP	Revenue	Research		Growth Rate	Exp. Pop
English Midlands	3.36	12	9	13.056	8.64		1.00	3.39
England (-Midlands)	28.26	13	11	28.826	0		2.50	28.97
Ireland	4.73	2	1	4.473	0		2.50	4.85
Scotland	4.73	3	3	6.473	0		2.50	4.85
Wales	2.08	2	1	4.208	0		2.50	2.13
India	298.9	23	4	75.89	0		2.50	306.37
Ceylon	4.1	1	0	2.41	0		2.50	4.20
Burma	10.72	2	0	5.072	0		2.50	10.99
Australia	3.82	6	0	10.202	2.18		1.50	3.88
New Zealand	0.82	1	0	1.902	0.18		1.50	0.83
Canada	5.93	6	0	12.523	0.07		1.50	6.02
Cape Colony	3.04	3	0	6.304	0		2.50	3.12
Leeward Islands	0.13	0	0	0.013	0		2.50	0.13
Windward Islands	0.66	0	0	0.066	0		2.50	0.68
Bermuda	0.08	0	0	0.008	0		2.50	0.08
Jamaica	0.77	0	0	0.077	0		2.50	0.79
Indian Ocean Terr.	0.46	0	0	0.046	0		2.50	0.47
South Atlantic Terr.	0.01	0	0	0.001	0		2.50	0.01
Gold Coast	4.17	0	0	0.417	0		2.50	4.27
North Borneo	0.34	0	0	0.034	0		2.50	0.35
Malaya	1.53	0	0	0.153	0		2.50	1.57
Papua New Guinea	0.51	0	0	0.051	0		2.50	0.52
Pacific Territory	0.17	0	0	0.017	0		2.50	0.17

... to this...

Country	Year	Half	War	Ratio
United Kingdom	1902	2	NO	50
Region	Pop	IC	BP	Revenue	Research		Growth Rate	Exp. Pop
English Midlands	3.36	12	9	13.056	8.64		1.00	3.39
England (-Midlands)	28.26	13	11	28.826	0		2.50	28.97
Ireland	4.73	2	1	4.473	0		2.50	4.85
Scotland	4.73	3	3	6.473	0		2.50	4.85
Wales	2.08	2	1	4.208	0		2.50	2.13
Ceylon	4.1	1	0	2.41	0		2.50	4.20
Burma	10.72	2	0	5.072	0		2.50	10.99
Australia	3.82	6	0	10.202	2.18		1.50	3.88
New Zealand	0.82	1	0	1.902	0.18		1.50	0.83
Canada	5.93	6	0	12.523	0.07		1.50	6.02
Cape Colony	3.04	3	0	6.304	0		2.50	3.12
Leeward Islands	0.13	0	0	0.013	0		2.50	0.13
Windward Islands	0.66	0	0	0.066	0		2.50	0.68
Bermuda	0.08	0	0	0.008	0		2.50	0.08
Jamaica	0.77	0	0	0.077	0		2.50	0.79
Indian Ocean Terr.	0.46	0	0	0.046	0		2.50	0.47
South Atlantic Terr.	0.01	0	0	0.001	0		2.50	0.01
Gold Coast	4.17	0	0	0.417	0		2.50	4.27
North Borneo	0.34	0	0	0.034	0		2.50	0.35
Malaya	1.53	0	0	0.153	0		2.50	1.57
Papua New Guinea	0.51	0	0	0.051	0		2.50	0.52
Pacific Territory	0.17	0	0	0.017	0		2.50	0.17
Assam	6.616	1	0	2.6616	0
Bengal	79.050	9	0	25.905	0
City of Calcutta	1.394	1	2	2.1394	0
Bengali Agency	3.996	0	0	0.3996	0
Bombay Presidency	19.802	1	0	3.9802	0
City of Bombay	1.038	1	1	2.1038	0
Bombay Agency	6.866	0	0	0.6866	0
Central Provinces	10.508	1	0	3.0508	0
Central Province Agency	2.160	0	0	0.216	0
Berar Agency	3.129	1	0	2.3129	0
Madras Presidency	40.598	2	0	8.0598	0
Madras Agency	4.536	0	0	0.4536	0
City of Madras	1.072	1	1	2.1072	0
Punjab Province	21.600	1	0	4.16	0
Punjabi Agency	5.265	0	0	0.5265	0
Northwest Frontier	2.295	0	0	0.2295	0
United Provinces	51.516	3	0	11.1516	0
United Provinces Agency	0.864	0	0	0.0864	0
Baroda Agency	2.160	0	0	0.216	0
Central India Agency	9.364	0	0	0.9364	0
Rajputana Agency	10.530	0	0	1.053	0
Kashmir Agency	3.240	0	0	0.324	0
Kingdom of Hyderabad	11.880	2	0	5.188	0
Kingdom of Mysore	5.940	1	0	2.594	0
Baluchistan Agency	0.954	0	0	0.0954	0

Don't you think 23 pieces is enough?

... Maybe you want to sell a few small pieces to your poor northern neighbour to lighten your load. ;D

[Tanthalas]

now now, in the interest of International Relations, I am sure that The UK will be returning the Former Dutch holdings in India.  While they are at it I am also sure they would like to return "New Zealand" as there is no "Old Zealand" in the UK, and ya know while we are at it perhaps the US would like to return "New Amsterdam".

^.~

[Darman]

Unfortunately none of The Empire is for sale at this point.  Sorry guys. 


I'm hoping that by sub-dividing India it will give me a chance to create a situation where certain provinces reach the point where they are wealthy enough to want to keep British rule, but some other provinces might want to get rid of it, thus provoking a revolt, possibly with outsider help. 

[snip]

ya know while we are at it perhaps the US would like to return "New Amsterdam".

Try. Me.

[Walter]

I am sure that The UK will be returning the Former Dutch holdings in India.  While they are at it I am also sure they would like to return "New Zealand" as there is no "

Looks like the Dutch gave it all away. Perhaps they should have asked for something in order to make it a sale.

perhaps the US would like to return "New Amsterdam".

Well, the English took the colony of New Netherland and in turn lost it to the United Staters, so the Dutch should perhaps turn to the English and demand more compensation for the loss of those lands. At the same time, the Dutch should perhaps sue the United States for stealing all kind of Dutch things and ideas (the Dutch flag and the colors of the Dutch flag as seen in the flags of New York and Albany, the idea of thirteen arrows in the eagle's left claw in the Great Seal of the United States which was stolen from the Dutch Republic's coat of arms, stealing the feast of Saint Nicholas and corrupting it into Santa Claus, etc).

Unfortunately none of The Empire is for sale at this point.  Sorry guys.

Dang. Not even the sparsely populated and worthless mountain regions that are totally useless to you? :)

[Darman]

Back to the topic at hand (and ignoring the desperate daydreams of imperial-minded Dutch and Chinese merchants), I was considering doing away with some of the Agency regions, amalgamating them with the nearest British-controlled region.  Since many of the agencies overlap with the regions this would create no change to the map of India.  The larger Agencies would be left alone (such as Baluchistan and Hyderabad).  However, given that I want increased investment in India, and this investment would not be to the benefit of the Princely States, they might feel more inclined to unrest. 

Thoughts?

[Walter]

Have you looked at our map and see how your province plan works out with the small pieces in India? It might help give you some ideas what to keep and what to scrap. It helped me a lot finalizing the regions of China.

[Walter]

Tried to fill in the Indian regions in the Navalism map but according to the map you posted (with a bit of additional help from a 1860 map). So for the list of regions you listed, you might want to fine-tune this piece of map but I would think that this is a good point to start for you to finalize those Indian regions. :)

[Darman]

That's actually a very good map.  And you helped me out a little as well by combining some regions, especially agencies within regions, because the agencies aren't as clearly defined geographically.  And while I'd like to maintain the agencies as separate its probably not worth the hassle. 

Baroda Agency --> Bombay Presidency
Bombay Agency --> Bombay Presidency
This now gives Bombay Presidency a population of 28.828, IC of 1, and BP of 0. 

Travancore is, I'm pretty sure, part of the Madras Agency already for bookkeeping purposes, so I'm going to go ahead and add them to the Madras Presidency along with the Madras Agency (Travancore's numbers were already part of Madras Agency). 
Madras Presidency --> pop: 45.134 --> IC: 2 --> BP: 0

Central Indian Agency:
Gwalior goes to United Provinces (est. pop:2.187)
Bundelkhand goes to United Provinces (est. pop: 1.308)
Bagelkhand goes to Central Provinces (est. pop: 1.555)
Bhopal goes to Central Provinces (est. pop: 1.157)
Indore goes to Rajputana Agency (est. pop: 1.099)
Malwa goes to Rajputana Agency (est. pop: 1.511)
Bhopawar goes to Rajputana Agency (est. pop: 0.547)

This gives new stats for the following states:
Rajputana Agency --> pop: 13.687 --> IC: 0 --> BP: 0
United Provinces --> pop: 55.011 --> IC: 1 --> BP: 0
Central Provinces --> pop: 13.22 --> IC: 1 --> BP: 0

Now I need to add each provinces respective Agencies:
Bengal --> pop: 83.046 --> IC: 9 --> BP: 0
Central Provinces --> pop: 15.38 --> IC: 1 --> BP: 0
Punjab Province --> pop: 26.865 --> IC: 1 --> BP: 0
United Provinces --> pop: 55.875 --> IC: 1 --> BP: 0

Berar Agency is part of Central Provinces now. 
Central Provinces --> pop: 18.509 --> IC: 2 --> BP: 0

[Darman]

Here is a revised provincial budget along with a revised map (thank you Walter for starting the map!)

Region	Pop	IC	BP	Revenue	Research
Assam	6.616	1	0	2.6616	0
Bengal	83.046	9	0	26.3046	0
City of Calcutta	1.394	1	2	2.1394	0
Bombay Presidency	28.828	1	0	4.8828	0
City of Bombay	1.038	1	1	2.1038	0
Central Provinces	18.509	2	0	5.8509	0
Madras Presidency	45.134	2	0	8.5134	0
City of Madras	1.072	1	1	2.1072	0
Punjab Province	26.865	1	0	4.6865	0
Northwest Frontier	2.295	0	0	0.2295	0
United Provinces	55.875	3	0	11.5875	0
Rajputana Agency	13.687	0	0	1.3687	0
Kashmir Agency	3.240	0	0	0.324	0
Kingdom of Hyderabad	11.880	2	0	5.188	0
Kingdom of Mysore	5.940	1	0	2.594	0
Baluchistan Agency	0.954	0	0	0.0954	0
Total	306.373	25	4	80.6373	0

[Walter]

In the end it is all your decision. I just give a bit of an idea from what you posted about it filled in on a piece of the Navalism Map. I had other ones but I doubt the British would appreciate them :)

Travancore was quite easy to mark on the Navalism map. The same can be said about Berar as that one is the one piece in the southwest of the Central Procinces region... but I was not really prepared to work with so many colors. Except for Black, white and the two grey colors, I had used up all the other MS Paint colors and quickly had to make a few extra. I could have gone on, but I kinda liked it this way.

I assumed that the cities of Calcutta, Bombay and Madras are there as well, but similar to the Chinese map, I had not marked the cities on the India Map.

One thing is that with your current map, you just stole a tiny bit that is marked French on the Navalism Map (the small grey bit on the east side of India on my map... to think you are complaining about China trying to legally acquire some empty mountain area in India's northern parts but at the same time you illegally take something from another nation. ;D

[Walter]

Looking at a map, Madras should probably be on the coast at the northern end of that tiny piece that surrounds Pondicherry. So it should look a bit like this...

[Jefgte]

Pondicherry was a French commerce & calling place to Cochinchina.
Just police, no army.