France 1904-1905 projects

[Jefgte]

Here is an adaptation for patrol & escort of the last 500t TB5 (1902).
=> on the identical hull
Engines for TB5 are 8000shp => 25.15kts
Engines for TBE6 are 4000shp => 21.1kts
Half of the boilers are removed & new tanks for coal take their places, range increase to 3800nm (2800nm for TB5)
Draught increase by 20cm for & freeboard decrease by 20cm
3x100 mm guns take the place of the 3x75mm

TBE109 to TBE120, France TBE6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 525 t standard; 624 t normal; 703 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 25.52 ft x (9.32 / 10.09 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.78 m  x (2.84 / 3.07 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 000 ihp / 2 984 Kw = 21.06 kts
   Range 3 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 178 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   62 - 81

Cost:
   £0.068 million / $0.272 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3.5 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 319 tons, 51.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 119 tons, 19.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 124 tons, 19.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 6.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     165 lbs / 75 Kg = 5.4 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.416
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.77 ft / 2.67 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 608 Square feet or 335 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 46 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 106 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.53
      - Longitudinal: 1.13
      - Overall: 0.57
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
24t for different works.
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Troops
Material
Coal

[Jefgte]

République &  Démocratie, France BB6 class laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   17 500 t light; 18 416 t standard; 19 827 t normal; 20 955 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (551.18 ft / 551.18 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (25.79 / 27.25 ft)
   (168.00 m / 168.00 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (7.86 / 8.31 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      8 - 7.64" / 194 mm 50.0 cal guns - 235.84lbs / 106.98kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 7 618 lbs / 3 455 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     55.77 ft / 17.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 27 549 ihp / 20 552 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 539 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   835 - 1 086

Cost:
   £1.901 million / $7.604 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 491 tons, 7.5 %
      - Guns: 1 491 tons, 7.5 %
   Armour: 5 623 tons, 28.4 %
      - Belts: 2 674 tons, 13.5 %
      - Armament: 1 422 tons, 7.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 248 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Towers: 280 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 133 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 953 tons, 30.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 327 tons, 11.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18 060 lbs / 8 192 Kg = 20.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 17.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.620 / 0.620
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.93 ft / 7.60 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.16 ft / 5.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 26 949 Square feet or 2 504 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 151 lbs/sq ft or 736 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.38
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

25t for extra pumps installation

[eltf177]

Very nice! :)

[Tanthalas]

Question about the République &  Démocratie, I raised the same question with Logi and I think he discovered that my reading of the rules was right, but I cant remember for sure (might want to ask).  I think though you can go Mixed main battery or AQY but I don't think you can do both, so you may have to rework them a bit (ditch the Q turret or drop the 7.64s to 6" and put em in mount and hoist or casemates).

Like I said can't remember how that ruling came out, but I still read the rule the same way.  Other than that very nice ships (YAY for 9' high belts)

[Jefgte]

...I think though you can go Mixed main battery or AQY but I don't think you can do both, so you may have to rework them a bit (ditch the Q turret or drop the 7.64s to 6" and put em in mount and hoist or casemates).
...

You'r right , I have to choose between AQY or AY+ intermediate caliber (sup to 7"5).
So, I think that I could have AQY + intermediate 164mm (6"46) - 4 or 6T2x164

[eltf177]

What about an A/Y arrangement with a 9.4-inch Intermediate Battery?

[Jefgte]

What about an A/Y arrangement with a 9.4-inch Intermediate Battery?

A kind of Danton...

BB6, France BB6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   16 900 t light; 17 885 t standard; 19 258 t normal; 20 357 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.22 ft / 528.22 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 75.46 ft) x (26.59 / 27.92 ft)
   (161.00 m / 161.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 23.00 m)  x (8.10 / 8.51 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 9.45" / 240 mm 48.0 cal guns - 485.00lbs / 219.99kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7 865 lbs / 3 567 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   360.89 ft / 110.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     36.09 ft / 11.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   360.89 ft / 110.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 27 800 ihp / 20 739 Kw = 21.07 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 472 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   816 - 1 062

Cost:
   £1.878 million / $7.512 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 548 tons, 8.0 %
      - Guns: 1 548 tons, 8.0 %
   Armour: 5 383 tons, 28.0 %
      - Belts: 2 544 tons, 13.2 %
      - Armament: 1 229 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 335 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 274 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 170 tons, 21.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 499 tons, 28.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 358 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16 703 lbs / 7 576 Kg = 19.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.71
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.48

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.62 ft / 7.20 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.87 ft / 5.45 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 28 833 Square feet or 2 679 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 701 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Jefgte]

Rules

1891: Mixed-caliber main battery (Main+intermediary calibers), Superfiring secondaries (Restricted Axial Firing Arcs) and Stacked Main Battery turrets OR Main caliber battery in AQY. [Pick One Only]

Main guns are defined as the largest caliber carried on the ship, intermediary guns are anything between the main caliber and 155mm guns, secondaries are 80-155mm, tertiary are <79mm.

=> With AQY (3xT2x305), I couldn't use T2x164 for secondaries

République &  Démocratie, France BB6 class laid down 1904 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   16 100 t light; 16 991 t standard; 18 419 t normal; 19 561 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.22 ft / 528.22 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 75.46 ft) x (25.84 / 27.38 ft)
   (161.00 m / 161.00 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 23.00 m)  x (7.88 / 8.34 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      16 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 7 082 lbs / 3 212 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   164.04 ft / 50.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     16.40 ft / 5.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   2.76" / 70 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      2.76" / 70 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 26 800 ihp / 19 993 Kw = 21.03 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 570 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   789 - 1 027

Cost:
   £1.703 million / $6.814 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 223 tons, 6.6 %
      - Guns: 1 223 tons, 6.6 %
   Armour: 5 208 tons, 28.3 %
      - Belts: 2 622 tons, 14.2 %
      - Armament: 1 117 tons, 6.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 203 tons, 6.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 266 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 020 tons, 21.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 349 tons, 29.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 319 tons, 12.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 369 lbs / 7 878 Kg = 20.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.627
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.93 ft / 7.60 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.16 ft / 5.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 25 970 Square feet or 2 413 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 141 lbs/sq ft or 690 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.51
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

25t for extra pumps installation

[Jefgte]

Why built AQY when I could built a french VdT ???
;)

République &  Démocratie, France BB6 class laid down 1905 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   17 650 t light; 18 636 t standard; 20 155 t normal; 21 370 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (551.18 ft / 551.18 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (25.96 / 27.39 ft)
   (168.00 m / 168.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x (7.91 / 8.35 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.07lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 873.08lbs / 396.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides alterned amidships
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.78lbs / 13.96kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 8 490 lbs / 3 851 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   164.04 ft / 50.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     22.97 ft / 7.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   3rd:   2.76" / 70 mm   2.76" / 70 mm      2.76" / 70 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.63" / 270 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 28 000 ihp / 20 888 Kw = 21.03 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 734 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   845 - 1 099

Cost:
   £1.930 million / $7.719 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 482 tons, 7.4 %
      - Guns: 1 482 tons, 7.4 %
   Armour: 5 741 tons, 28.5 %
      - Belts: 2 750 tons, 13.6 %
      - Armament: 1 327 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 381 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 283 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 4 200 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 926 tons, 29.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 505 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18 303 lbs / 8 302 Kg = 21.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.45

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.629
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.93 ft / 7.60 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.59 ft / 5.06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 29 810 Square feet or 2 769 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 719 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.34
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

25t for extra pumps installation

[The Rock Doctor]

Are the unarmored ends intentional?

Otherwise seems like a sturdy ship.

[Jefgte]

Are the unarmored ends intentional?

It's in memory of the unarmored (& broken) Bismarck stern...

Jef  ;)

[Jefgte]

This class could be reclassed with Aviso Torpilleur:
Interresting for patrols, escorts & colonial works.

Here is an adaptation for patrol & escort of the last 500t TB5 (1902).
=> on the identical hull
Engines for TB5 are 8000shp => 25.15kts
Engines for TBE6 are 4000shp => 21.1kts
Half of the boilers are removed & new tanks for coal take their places, range increase to 3800nm (2800nm for TB5)
Draught increase by 20cm & freeboard decrease by 20cm
3x100 mm guns take the place of the 3x75mm

TBE109 to TBE120, France TBE6 laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 525 t standard; 624 t normal; 703 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.66 ft / 229.66 ft) x 25.52 ft x (9.32 / 10.09 ft)
   (70.00 m / 70.00 m) x 7.78 m  x (2.84 / 3.07 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 180 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 000 ihp / 2 984 Kw = 21.06 kts
   Range 3 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 178 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   62 - 81

Cost:
   £0.068 million / $0.272 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 3.5 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 319 tons, 51.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 119 tons, 19.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 124 tons, 19.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 6.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     165 lbs / 75 Kg = 5.4 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.416
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.77 ft / 2.67 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 608 Square feet or 335 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 46 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 106 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.53
      - Longitudinal: 1.13
      - Overall: 0.57
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
24t for different works.
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Troops
Material
Coal

[Alikchi]

I like that a lot! Reasonable, economical and useful everywhere.

[Jefgte]

P1 to P12, France PB1 laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   333 t light; 350 t standard; 404 t normal; 448 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (183.73 ft / 183.73 ft) x 21.00 ft x (7.33 / 7.95 ft)
   (56.00 m / 56.00 m) x 6.40 m  x (2.24 / 2.42 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 30.77lbs / 13.96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 220 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 5 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 88 lbs / 40 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 930 ihp / 694 Kw = 15.08 kts
   Range 2 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 98 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   44 - 58

Cost:
   £0.036 million / $0.145 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 4.0 %
      - Guns: 16 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.9 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 144 tons, 35.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 132 tons, 32.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 71 tons, 17.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 9.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 28 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     336 lbs / 153 Kg = 11.0 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 10.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.511
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  9.51 ft / 2.90 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  9.51 ft / 2.90 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.54 ft / 2.60 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 126.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 86.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 471 Square feet or 230 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 148 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.80
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
24t for different works;
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Material
Coal
Troops

[Jefgte]

P1-P15, France 200t coastal patrol craft laid down 1904 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   200 t light; 209 t standard; 220 t normal; 230 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (131.23 ft / 131.23 ft) x 16.40 ft x (7.17 / 7.40 ft)
   (40.00 m / 40.00 m) x 5.00 m  x (2.19 / 2.26 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 5 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 26 lbs / 12 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 740 ihp / 552 Kw = 15.11 kts
   Range 800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 21 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   28 - 37

Cost:
   £0.022 million / $0.087 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 5 tons, 2.3 %
      - Guns: 5 tons, 2.3 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 95 tons, 42.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 69 tons, 31.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 20 tons, 9.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 13.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     127 lbs / 58 Kg = 9.9 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 11.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.30
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.89

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.505
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 11.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.60 ft / 2.32 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 146.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 72.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 434 Square feet or 133 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 81 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 24 lbs/sq ft or 115 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.84
      - Longitudinal: 5.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight:
10t for short wireless
4t for 4x450 torpedoes
20t for different works;
Minesweeper - Minelayer
Material
Coal
Troops