Selling 11 BP for H2 1902

Tanthalas · March 10, 2015, 10:48:40 AM

what the title says, this felt like as good a place as any to post this so there it is... $1.25 per and if noone wants them I will just sell them to random NPCs I suppose, but I figured I should atleast let yall know they were available.

Kaiser Kirk · March 12, 2015, 06:41:35 PM

Technically,
For a PC buy them from you, you have to produce the final product, costing you $1 per BP.
Then they buy that product from you and bolt it on their ship.
Then they pay a foreign built penalty on maintenance.

So if you sell them for $1.25, and pay $1 for them, you're making $0.25
Or you can sell them to an NPC for $1.25 straight up. Which I suppose means the NPCs really pay 2.25, and you spend 1, but it's simpler to skip that.

Darman · March 12, 2015, 10:57:53 PM

That, at least, is how we as PCs have interpreted the rules thus far in this game.

Walter · March 13, 2015, 06:56:12 AM

QuoteSo if you sell them for $1.25, and pay $1 for them, you're making $0.25

Yes, but that is the best case scenario. What if someone were to ask him to make materials to build ports? Selling them at $1.25 would result in $13.75. Turning it into 11BP worth of port material would mean having to pay $165 to make those materials so we won't be making money but losing a total of $151.25.

I would not mind buying those BPs for $1.25 and having you pay the construction costs of turning those BPs into citadel materials. :D

Tanthalas · March 13, 2015, 08:38:23 AM

Says the guy who told me to sell them for $1.25 each >:(... Oh well if someone wants them then I supose the price is dependand on me turning a $1.25 each profit then :P

Quote from: Walter on March 13, 2015, 06:56:12 AM
QuoteSo if you sell them for $1.25, and pay $1 for them, you're making $0.25
Yes, but that is the best case scenario. What if someone were to ask him to make materials to build ports? Selling them at $1.25 would result in $13.75. Turning it into 11BP worth of port material would mean having to pay $165 to make those materials so we won't be making money but losing a total of $151.25.

I would not mind buying those BPs for $1.25 and having you pay the construction costs of turning those BPs into citadel materials. :D

Walter · March 13, 2015, 09:06:49 AM

I did? Can't remember that I did... ::)

... but if I did, it should have been that the $1.25 is the minimum for the BP alone (so excluding any additional construction fees which should be added to the cost per BP as well).

The Rock Doctor · March 13, 2015, 03:43:37 PM

I was completely forgetting about BP production costs - just raking in $1.25 per. I guess I was actually charging $2.25 or something. Yeah...

Can't figure out why this thread was getting caught at the firewall and nothing else...

Darman · March 13, 2015, 05:50:18 PM

Having done a tiny bit of BP purchasing myself in this game, I do believe I can accept some of the blame for this interpretation of the rules. BPs sold to NPC nations go into a pool and the seller gets $1.25 per BP. BPs sold to player nations are not sold per se, it the finished product that is sold: i.e. armor plating. So when Britain purchases 11.5BP from the Dutch, Britain is actually buying 11,500t of whatever material i want it to be. The BP has to be turned into the finished product: so the Dutch have to pay for processing the product, incurring a cost of $1 per BP (for armor plate or other ship components). The British, having bought the armor plate from the Dutch, now have to install it aboard their own vessels, incurring another $1 in costs per BP.

Kaiser Kirk · March 13, 2015, 07:03:07 PM

Quote from: Darman on March 13, 2015, 05:50:18 PM
The British, having bought the armor plate from the Dutch, now have to install it aboard their own vessels, incurring another $1 in costs per BP.

That part doesn't make sense

Darman · March 13, 2015, 07:05:57 PM

Why not? Granted, part of the reason I did it that way was to cover myself. But why wouldn't there be a production cost in one country... transporting costs (which are nowhere taken into account) plus the cost of then adding the armor plate in a new place. If its Vickers doing the construction and production its obviously going to be cheaper than if Krupp is manufacturing the armor plating and then selling it to Vickers to be put on a battleship.

Kaiser Kirk · March 16, 2015, 10:37:45 PM

Actually,
One of the tremendous advantages of seafaring nations was transport costs.
Boats are far cheaper than trains, which were far and away better than horses.
I read something that it was cheaper for the Brits to move goods from India than it was for the Austrians to move it from the interior to the coast- don't hold me to that, I may misrecall.
It's also cheaper to move finished products than processed material and processed material than bulk material.

So unless your mine, smelter, and foundary were all next to to the ship yard, there has to be transport costs already worked in.

Now, for ore to be mined in Bohemia, smelted and wind up as armor plate in Trieste...and then Installed...cost $1. Much of which was probably the mining, smelting, and transport costs.

Take the US- Mined and processed in the Great Lakes... thousand miles to the shipyards. More if you're building at Mare Island.

In reality, a large chunk of the Iron and steel Great Britain was using originated in Belgium and Luxembourg.

But overall, I'd have to say transport costs are already part of that $1.