New Ottoman Ships, 1900 and onward

[Tanthalas]

agreed *gives some of his early ships dirty looks* I am kinda OCD about building reserves, I was just throwing out fast and dirty reports as examples of what "Could" be done.

I'm totally on board with you regarding miscellaneous weight.  It's something I've learned the hard way in previous sims.

[The Rock Doctor]

For slightly more money, I can do this.  Apparently I have to tweak the main belt length very slightly, but you get the idea.


Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1900

Displacement:
   11,096 t light; 11,578 t standard; 12,357 t normal; 12,981 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (472.44 ft / 472.44 ft) x 68.90 ft x (26.57 / 27.58 ft)
   (144.00 m / 144.00 m) x 21.00 m  x (8.10 / 8.41 m)

Armament:
      6 - 8.27" / 210 mm 45.0 cal guns - 284.98lbs / 129.26kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 98.70lbs / 44.77kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      16 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 19.93lbs / 9.04kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2,818 lbs / 1,278 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.09" / 180 mm   370.73 ft / 113.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   101.71 ft / 31.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Upper:   2.95" / 75 mm   307.09 ft / 93.60 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 121 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -         2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 25,000 ihp / 18,650 Kw = 22.06 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,402 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   585 - 761

Cost:
   £1.137 million / $4.549 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 540 tons, 4.4 %
      - Guns: 540 tons, 4.4 %
   Armour: 2,993 tons, 24.2 %
      - Belts: 1,637 tons, 13.2 %
      - Armament: 475 tons, 3.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 768 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 113 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3,868 tons, 31.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,306 tons, 26.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,261 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 390 tons, 3.2 %
      - Hull above water: 390 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,797 lbs / 3,990 Kg = 31.1 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.39
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 12.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.53

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.506
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   45.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.27 ft / 4.96 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,687 Square feet or 2,015 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 108 lbs/sq ft or 527 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.77
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

Not bad, honestly I like it.  if I were in the market for ACs I might even build somthing like it.

[The Rock Doctor]

Two battleships are to be laid down in the second half of 1904, but their design parameters are locked in during H1/1904 so certain non-cutting edge components can be pre-ordered.

This is a design from the Armwaving thread:

This is not quite a stretched version of the last ship, but it's close.  The main belt isn't 4.2 m the whole way, but more like 3.6 metres the whole way and then a full deck higher on the forward 25% (with the raised forecastle).

The 15cm are notionally concentrated at the end of the forecastle and then in a block forward of Y turret.  I think it would logically lead to turreted secondaries down the road, ala historical Italian practice.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1905

Displacement:
   14,641 t light; 15,366 t standard; 16,225 t normal; 16,912 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 75.46 ft x (25.92 / 26.81 ft)
   (150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 23.00 m  x (7.90 / 8.17 m)

Armament:
      8 - 11.02" / 280 mm 45.0 cal guns - 675.51lbs / 306.40kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck centre
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      16 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
     8 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 20.97lbs / 9.51kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      6 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 7,317 lbs / 3,319 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   344.49 ft / 105.00 m   13.78 ft / 4.20 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   147.61 ft / 44.99 m   11.81 ft / 3.60 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   344.49 ft / 105.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         5.91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 2.36" / 60 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines and steam turbines
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 20,000 ihp / 14,920 Kw = 19.81 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,546 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   718 - 934

Cost:
   £1.402 million / $5.606 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,271 tons, 7.8 %
      - Guns: 1,271 tons, 7.8 %
   Armour: 6,086 tons, 37.5 %
      - Belts: 3,338 tons, 20.6 %
      - Armament: 1,270 tons, 7.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,151 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 326 tons, 2.0 %
   Machinery: 2,095 tons, 12.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,697 tons, 28.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,584 tons, 9.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 492 tons, 3.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 492 tons
         --100 t:  Command facilities
         --35 t:  Long and short-ranged wireless
         --357 t:  Construction reserve

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20,618 lbs / 9,352 Kg = 30.8 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.590 / 0.594
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.52 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  22.31 ft / 6.80 m,  22.31 ft / 6.80 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  22.31 ft / 6.80 m,  22.31 ft / 6.80 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  14.44 ft / 4.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.44 ft / 4.40 m,  14.44 ft / 4.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.80 ft / 5.12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,907 Square feet or 2,500 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 661 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.73
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[eltf177]

I'm having trouble envisioning what the Main Battery layout is... :o

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm having trouble envisioning what the Main Battery layout is... :o

Think "Gangut", but with a raised forecastle and twin turrets rather than triples.

[The Rock Doctor]

While the exciting news for the Ottomans is the lay-down of new battleships, other, smaller warships are also being laid down.

The Luxor class protected cruisers have the same armament as the preceding Baghdad class, but four of the guns are now on the centreline, two in superfiring positions.  Ottoman conservatism about new machinery does not extend to small cruisers so a full turbine kit is installed.

Two units are laid down in 2/04, with a further three being eyeballed for the near term, as the old Constantinople class is in need of replacement.


Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1905

Displacement:
   3,388 t light; 3,527 t standard; 3,971 t normal; 4,326 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (390.42 ft / 390.42 ft) x 42.65 ft x (17.39 / 18.53 ft)
   (119.00 m / 119.00 m) x 13.00 m  x (5.30 / 5.65 m)

Armament:
      10 - 4.13" / 105 mm 40.0 cal guns - 33.85lbs / 15.36kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 35.0 cal guns - 19.50lbs / 8.84kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 417 lbs / 189 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.79" / 20 mm            -
   2nd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 18,000 shp / 13,428 Kw = 24.06 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 799 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   249 - 325

Cost:
   £0.344 million / $1.376 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 58 tons, 1.5 %
      - Guns: 58 tons, 1.5 %
   Armour: 408 tons, 10.3 %
      - Armament: 68 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 298 tons, 7.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 43 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 1,485 tons, 37.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,228 tons, 30.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 583 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 208 tons, 5.2 %
      - Hull above water: 208 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,997 lbs / 1,359 Kg = 84.8 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.39
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.71

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.480 / 0.491
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.15 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.75 ft / 4.80 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 132.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,897 Square feet or 1,012 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 314 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.14
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[The Rock Doctor]

An all-turbine torpedo-boat is also being laid down, with a run of up to a dozen expected in time. 

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1905

Displacement:
   499 t light; 519 t standard; 576 t normal; 621 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.33 ft / 226.05 ft) x 22.64 ft x (9.84 / 10.34 ft)
   (69.90 m / 68.90 m) x 6.90 m  x (3.00 / 3.15 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 19.93lbs / 9.04kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.85lbs / 1.74kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 48 lbs / 22 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,000 shp / 7,460 Kw = 26.62 kts
   Range 2,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 102 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   58 - 76

Cost:
   £0.064 million / $0.257 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 8 tons, 1.4 %
      - Guns: 8 tons, 1.4 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 319 tons, 55.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 148 tons, 25.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 76 tons, 13.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 3.5 %
      - Hull above water: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     165 lbs / 75 Kg = 7.9 x 3.5 " / 88 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.410
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.99 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.03 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Aft deck:   15.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Quarter deck:   60.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.24 ft / 3.12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 187.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,150 Square feet or 293 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 34 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 110 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.51
      - Overall: 0.58
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[The Rock Doctor]

I'll edit in miscellaneous weight breakdowns, including torps, for both classes above.  Just not quite there yet.