Royal Navy 1902

[Darman]

Duncan, United Kingdom Battleship laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   13,751 t light; 14,344 t standard; 16,590 t normal; 18,387 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (418.00 ft / 418.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (27.00 / 29.60 ft)
   (127.41 m / 127.41 m) x 21.34 m  x (8.23 / 9.02 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 810.13lbs / 367.47kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1893 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 5,957 lbs / 2,702 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.5" / 318 mm   270.40 ft / 82.42 m   10.04 ft / 3.06 m
   Ends:   9.50" / 241 mm   145.58 ft / 44.37 m   10.04 ft / 3.06 m
     2.02 ft / 0.62 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   7.50" / 191 mm   270.40 ft / 82.42 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 4.00" / 102 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 3.00" / 76 mm  Quarter deck: 3.00" / 76 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 15.00" / 381 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19,153 ihp / 14,288 Kw = 19.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,043 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   730 - 950

Cost:
   £1.310 million / $5.238 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 853 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 5,634 tons, 34.0 %
      - Belts: 2,770 tons, 16.7 %
      - Armament: 935 tons, 5.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,718 tons, 10.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 210 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 2,993 tons, 18.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,197 tons, 25.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,839 tons, 17.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20,760 lbs / 9,417 Kg = 24.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 14.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.80
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.61

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.735 / 0.743
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.97 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.24 ft / 6.17 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,188 Square feet or 2,247 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 610 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.44
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

75t misc weight
25t long-range radio
50t flagship facilities

Historic Ships: Duncan, Russell, Albemarle, Montagu, Cornwallis, Exmouth
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells
AQY

[Darman]

Cavendish, United Kingdom Armored Cruiser laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   14,476 t light; 15,085 t standard; 17,411 t normal; 19,272 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (418.00 ft / 418.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (27.00 / 29.60 ft)
   (127.41 m / 127.41 m) x 21.34 m  x (8.23 / 9.02 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 810.13lbs / 367.47kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 5.42lbs / 2.46kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 5,983 lbs / 2,714 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.50" / 191 mm   294.00 ft / 89.61 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   124.00 ft / 37.80 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.50" / 140 mm   294.00 ft / 89.61 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 3.00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 29,903 ihp / 22,308 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,187 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   757 - 985

Cost:
   £1.561 million / $6.245 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 825 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 4,654 tons, 26.7 %
      - Belts: 2,357 tons, 13.5 %
      - Armament: 799 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,310 tons, 7.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 188 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 4,672 tons, 26.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,250 tons, 24.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,935 tons, 16.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,498 lbs / 7,030 Kg = 17.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.771 / 0.779
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.97 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.24 ft / 6.17 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,031 Square feet or 2,325 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 601 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.42
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

75t misc weight
25t long-range radio
50t flagship facilities

Historic Ships: Cavendish, Hawkins, Raleigh, Frobisher, Effingham, Drake
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells
AQY

[Kaiser Kirk]

An armored cruiser with more capital ship guns than my battleships, and speed of a fast cruiser.
No below-waterline torpedoes for the Coup de grace, light secondary armament.
So you're relying on a few slow firing heavy shells with very poor capacity to burst post-armor to do damage, not really on the QF secondary.
No torpedo nets, so no close waters.

Looks like an expensive foray into the battlecruiser realm.

[Darman]

Cavendish, United Kingdom Armored Cruiser laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   13,576 t light; 14,127 t standard; 16,349 t normal; 18,127 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (418.00 ft / 418.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (27.00 / 29.60 ft)
   (127.41 m / 127.41 m) x 21.34 m  x (8.23 / 9.02 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 810.13lbs / 367.47kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 5.42lbs / 2.46kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 4,569 lbs / 2,073 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.50" / 191 mm   294.00 ft / 89.61 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   124.00 ft / 37.80 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.50" / 140 mm   294.00 ft / 89.61 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 3.00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 28,260 ihp / 21,082 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,000 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   722 - 939

Cost:
   £1.385 million / $5.540 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 628 tons, 3.8 %
   Armour: 4,354 tons, 26.6 %
      - Belts: 2,350 tons, 14.4 %
      - Armament: 569 tons, 3.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,256 tons, 7.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 180 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 4,416 tons, 27.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,931 tons, 24.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,773 tons, 17.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 247 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 212 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,939 lbs / 7,230 Kg = 18.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.39

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.724 / 0.733
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.97 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.24 ft / 6.17 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,963 Square feet or 2,226 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 567 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

75t misc weight
25t long-range radio
50t flagship facilities
142t torpedo netting + 20t booms
10t hull above water for 2 fixed bow torpedo tubes plus 8 reloads

Historic Ships: Cavendish, Hawkins, Raleigh, Frobisher, Effingham, Drake
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells
AQY

[Kaiser Kirk]

A bit better rounded.
You could have kept Q, but the 5x6"/side was just too light. 6x6" isn't much better, but it's better. \It's just that in this period the ability of lots of midsized rounds to chew up a ship was widely believed. The USS Oregon's big caliber hits caused some reconsideration, but we're still far off from disparate shell splashes being a fire control problem, it's pretty much all local control.

As for Torpedo Nets, the mods said 1t/m hull length, so you can have less.
Though I note it's not in the Design Considerations.
Oh wait the games back on

[Darman]

A bit better rounded.
You could have kept Q, but the 5x6"/side was just too light. 6x6" isn't much better, but it's better. \It's just that in this period the ability of lots of midsized rounds to chew up a ship was widely believed. The USS Oregon's big caliber hits caused some reconsideration, but we're still far off from disparate shell splashes being a fire control problem, it's pretty much all local control.

As for Torpedo Nets, the mods said 1t/m hull length, so you can have less.
Though I note it's not in the Design Considerations.
Oh wait the games back on

I googled torpedo nets.  I know wikipedia isn't always the best source but I wanted rough weights.  5lbs per square foot for the netting and about a half ton per boom, with 30-40 booms per ship.

[Darman]

Cavendish, United Kingdom Armored Cruiser laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   13,517 t light; 14,066 t standard; 16,282 t normal; 18,055 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (418.00 ft / 418.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (27.00 / 29.60 ft)
   (127.41 m / 127.41 m) x 21.34 m  x (8.23 / 9.02 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 810.13lbs / 367.47kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 5.42lbs / 2.46kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 4,569 lbs / 2,073 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.50" / 191 mm   294.00 ft / 89.61 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   124.00 ft / 37.80 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.50" / 140 mm   294.00 ft / 89.61 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 3.00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 28,156 ihp / 21,004 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,988 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   719 - 936

Cost:
   £1.381 million / $5.522 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 628 tons, 3.9 %
   Armour: 4,350 tons, 26.7 %
      - Belts: 2,349 tons, 14.4 %
      - Armament: 569 tons, 3.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,252 tons, 7.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 180 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 4,399 tons, 27.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,926 tons, 24.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,765 tons, 17.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 213 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 178 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,870 lbs / 7,198 Kg = 18.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.39

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.721 / 0.730
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.97 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.24 ft / 6.17 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,900 Square feet or 2,220 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 567 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

75t misc weight
25t long-range radio
50t flagship facilities
142t torpedo netting + 20t booms
10t hull above water for 2 fixed bow torpedo tubes plus 8 reloads

Historic Ships: Cavendish, Hawkins, Raleigh, Frobisher, Effingham, Drake
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells
AQY

[Darman]

Added torpedo nets to my Duncan-class battleships. 

Duncan, United Kingdom Battleship laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   13,839 t light; 14,434 t standard; 16,689 t normal; 18,493 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (418.00 ft / 418.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (27.00 / 29.60 ft)
   (127.41 m / 127.41 m) x 21.34 m  x (8.23 / 9.02 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 810.13lbs / 367.47kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1893 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 5,957 lbs / 2,702 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.5" / 318 mm   270.40 ft / 82.42 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   9.00" / 229 mm   145.58 ft / 44.37 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     2.02 ft / 0.62 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   270.40 ft / 82.42 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 4.00" / 102 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 3.00" / 76 mm  Quarter deck: 3.00" / 76 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 15.00" / 381 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 15,563 ihp / 11,610 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,060 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   733 - 954

Cost:
   £1.234 million / $4.936 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 853 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 6,157 tons, 36.9 %
      - Belts: 3,286 tons, 19.7 %
      - Armament: 935 tons, 5.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,725 tons, 10.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 211 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 2,432 tons, 14.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,184 tons, 25.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,850 tons, 17.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 213 tons, 1.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 188 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     23,704 lbs / 10,752 Kg = 27.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 91 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.90
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.81

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.739 / 0.747
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.97 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.24 ft / 6.17 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,281 Square feet or 2,256 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 607 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.47
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

75t misc weight
25t long-range radio
50t flagship facilities
128t torpedo netting
10t for 2 side-mounted above water tubes with 5 torps each

Historic Ships: Duncan, Russell, Albemarle, Montagu, Cornwallis, Exmouth
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells
AQY

[snip]

The USS Oregon's big caliber hits caused some reconsideration

IIRC correctly (OTL), I don't think the 13" guns actually hit anything. Near-miss, yes, but direct impacts were all 8".

[Kaiser Kirk]

I believe I had a different figure for torpedo nets at first, based on the weight for 1 ship per m of hull, but was told to keep it simple - so I'm using 1t/m. :)

The USS Oregon's big caliber hits caused some reconsideration

IIRC correctly (OTL), I don't think the 13" guns actually hit anything. Near-miss, yes, but direct impacts were all 8".

Hmph, I misremembered. I thought a 13" round effected the boilers in some manner.  I thought larger rounds in that battle had actually done something. Perhaps earlier with another ship... dunno. Not interested enough to go dig it up.

[Darman]

Vickers DD 1, Vickers Ltd Destroyer laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   400 t light; 416 t standard; 460 t normal; 495 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (216.00 ft / 216.00 ft) x 24.00 ft x (7.50 / 7.89 ft)
   (65.84 m / 65.84 m) x 7.32 m  x (2.29 / 2.40 m)

Armament:
      4 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 36 lbs / 16 kg

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,395 ihp / 4,771 Kw = 24.50 kts
   Range 2,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   49 - 64

Cost:
   £0.054 million / $0.215 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 8 tons, 1.6 %
   Machinery: 270 tons, 58.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 108 tons, 23.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 60 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 14 tons, 3.0 %
      - Hull below water: 2 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     123 lbs / 56 Kg = 21.7 x 2.2 " / 57 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.64
   Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.414 / 0.424
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.70 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.50 ft / 2.90 m,  9.50 ft / 2.90 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  8.75 ft / 2.67 m,  8.75 ft / 2.67 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.75 ft / 2.67 m,  8.75 ft / 2.67 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.43 ft / 2.87 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 195.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,219 Square feet or 299 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 23 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 96 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 0.56
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

10t radio
2t 2 submerged bow torpedo tubes
2t 2 rotating deck mounts, 1 on each side

Trial speed: 28

[Darman]

Elswick TB 1, Elswick/Armstrong Torpedo Boat laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   175 t light; 180 t standard; 194 t normal; 205 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (155.00 ft / 155.00 ft) x 16.00 ft x (7.00 / 7.25 ft)
   (47.24 m / 47.24 m) x 4.88 m  x (2.13 / 2.21 m)

Armament:
      1 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1891 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal gun - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1890 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      Weight of broadside 9 lbs / 4 kg

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,995 ihp / 2,980 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 1,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 25 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   25 - 33

Cost:
   £0.024 million / $0.094 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 121 tons, 62.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 51 tons, 26.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 19 tons, 9.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 1.0 %
      - Hull below water: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     45 lbs / 20 Kg = 8.0 x 2.2 " / 57 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.55
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 8.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 47 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.90

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise aft of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.391 / 0.399
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  7.33 ft / 2.23 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  7.33 ft / 2.23 m,  7.25 ft / 2.21 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  7.33 ft / 2.23 m,  7.33 ft / 2.23 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  7.33 ft / 2.23 m,  7.33 ft / 2.23 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.45 ft / 2.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 204.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 1,517 Square feet or 141 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 15 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 75 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.86
      - Overall: 0.59
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is extremely poor
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

2t foreward submerged torpedo tubes

trial speed: 30

[Kaiser Kirk]

Vickers DD 1, Vickers Ltd Destroyer laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

I don't know if it's accurate, but once upon a time I read that one reason to discontinue submerged tubes was they didn't work well over 20kts. Which may make the bow tubes problematic.

[Darman]

Vickers DD 1, Vickers Ltd Destroyer laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

I don't know if it's accurate, but once upon a time I read that one reason to discontinue submerged tubes was they didn't work well over 20kts. Which may make the bow tubes problematic.

I've never heard this but thank you for the mention. 

I was looking to design a small but hopefully affordable vessel for the export market.  Predominantly the ABCs but anywhere, really. 

[Jefgte]

I agree with KK
Submerged bow tubes are not the best for small TB.

Good TB for Channel use.