Royal Navy 1902

[Darman]

Fiddling around with Cavendish and added 1905 engines

Cavendish Mk 2, United Kingdom Armored Cruiser laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   14,450 t light; 15,014 t standard; 17,023 t normal; 18,631 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (485.00 ft / 485.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (27.00 / 29.16 ft)
   (147.83 m / 147.83 m) x 21.34 m  x (8.23 / 8.89 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 810.13lbs / 367.47kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 5.42lbs / 2.46kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 4,569 lbs / 2,073 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.50" / 191 mm   322.00 ft / 98.15 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   163.00 ft / 49.68 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.50" / 140 mm   322.00 ft / 98.15 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 3.00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 32,002 ihp / 23,873 Kw = 22.10 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,617 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   744 - 968

Cost:
   £1.440 million / $5.761 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 628 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 4,659 tons, 27.4 %
      - Belts: 2,571 tons, 15.1 %
      - Armament: 539 tons, 3.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,364 tons, 8.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 185 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 4,592 tons, 27.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,312 tons, 25.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,573 tons, 15.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 258 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 198 tons
      - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,212 lbs / 7,354 Kg = 18.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.37

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.659
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.93 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.02 ft / 5.49 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,007 Square feet or 2,416 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 572 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.75
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

misc weight
25t long-range radio above deck
50t flagship facilities above deck
148t torpedo netting on deck
50t unallocated misc on deck
10t hull above water for 2 fixed bow torpedo tubes plus 8 reloads

Historic Ships: Cavendish, Hawkins, Raleigh, Frobisher, Effingham, Drake
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells

[Darman]

Now I threw in a mix of VTE/Turbines

Cavendish Mk 2, United Kingdom Armored Cruiser laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   11,178 t light; 11,658 t standard; 12,810 t normal; 13,732 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (480.00 ft / 480.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.57 ft)
   (146.30 m / 146.30 m) x 18.29 m  x (8.23 / 8.71 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 810.13lbs / 367.47kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 5.42lbs / 2.46kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 4,569 lbs / 2,073 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.50" / 191 mm   275.00 ft / 83.82 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   205.00 ft / 62.48 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.50" / 140 mm   275.00 ft / 83.82 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
     Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.50" / 140 mm      5.50" / 140 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 3.00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 25,423 ihp / 18,965 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,074 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   601 - 782

Cost:
   £1.056 million / $4.223 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 628 tons, 4.9 %
   Armour: 4,045 tons, 31.6 %
      - Belts: 2,323 tons, 18.1 %
      - Armament: 487 tons, 3.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,081 tons, 8.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 153 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 2,664 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,583 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,632 tons, 12.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 258 tons, 2.0 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 198 tons
      - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,461 lbs / 6,106 Kg = 15.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 15.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.88
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.41

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.577 / 0.584
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.94 ft / 5.16 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,607 Square feet or 1,914 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 560 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.83
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

misc weight
25t long-range radio above deck
50t flagship facilities above deck
148t torpedo netting on deck
50t unallocated misc on deck
10t hull above water for 2 fixed bow torpedo tubes plus 8 reloads

Historic Ships: Cavendish, Hawkins, Raleigh, Frobisher, Effingham, Drake
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells

[Logi]

Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

A bit of a problem...

Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts

Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts

Isn't the fleet cruising speed of the UK 13 kn, 12/10 kn seems a bit strange if so.

[Darman]

Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

A bit of a problem...

Moving target to catch that... thanks. 

Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts

Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts

Isn't the fleet cruising speed of the UK 13 kn, 12/10 kn seems a bit strange if so.

Its not the cruising speed of the whole fleet, just my armored cruisers up til now.  Provides for strategic maneuverability.  With the new design the decision was made to explore the effect a lower cruising speed would have on the overall design. 

[Darman]

Fixed the armor belt issue.  Going to post this one then see what bringing the cruising speed back up to 13 costs. 

Cavendish Mk 2, United Kingdom Armored Cruiser laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   11,178 t light; 11,658 t standard; 12,810 t normal; 13,732 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (480.00 ft / 480.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.57 ft)
   (146.30 m / 146.30 m) x 18.29 m  x (8.23 / 8.71 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 810.13lbs / 367.47kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 5.42lbs / 2.46kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 4,569 lbs / 2,073 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.50" / 191 mm   278.00 ft / 84.73 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   202.00 ft / 61.57 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.50" / 140 mm   278.00 ft / 84.73 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
     Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.50" / 140 mm      5.50" / 140 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 3.00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 25,423 ihp / 18,965 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,074 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   601 - 782

Cost:
   £1.056 million / $4.223 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 628 tons, 4.9 %
   Armour: 4,055 tons, 31.7 %
      - Belts: 2,333 tons, 18.2 %
      - Armament: 487 tons, 3.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,081 tons, 8.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 153 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 2,664 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,573 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,632 tons, 12.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 258 tons, 2.0 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 198 tons
      - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,432 lbs / 6,093 Kg = 15.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 15.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.88
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.41

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.577 / 0.584
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.94 ft / 5.16 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,607 Square feet or 1,914 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 558 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.83
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

misc weight
25t long-range radio above deck
50t flagship facilities above deck
148t torpedo netting on deck
50t unallocated misc on deck
10t hull above water for 2 fixed bow torpedo tubes plus 8 reloads

Historic Ships: Cavendish, Hawkins, Raleigh, Frobisher, Effingham, Drake
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells

[Darman]

Cavendish Mk 2, United Kingdom Armored Cruiser laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   10,658 t light; 11,132 t standard; 12,390 t normal; 13,396 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (475.00 ft / 475.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.75 ft)
   (144.78 m / 144.78 m) x 18.29 m  x (8.23 / 8.76 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.07lbs / 375.60kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 5.42lbs / 2.46kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 4,641 lbs / 2,105 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.50" / 165 mm   288.00 ft / 87.78 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   187.00 ft / 57.00 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.50" / 140 mm   288.00 ft / 87.78 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      5.50" / 140 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 3.00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 24,920 ihp / 18,590 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 13.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,264 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   586 - 763

Cost:
   £1.070 million / $4.279 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 704 tons, 5.7 %
   Armour: 3,631 tons, 29.3 %
      - Belts: 1,963 tons, 15.8 %
      - Armament: 461 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,057 tons, 8.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 150 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 2,611 tons, 21.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,455 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,732 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 258 tons, 2.1 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 198 tons
      - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,311 lbs / 5,584 Kg = 14.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.80
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.564 / 0.572
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.92 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.71 ft / 4.79 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,144 Square feet or 1,871 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 565 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.77
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

misc weight
25t long-range radio above deck
50t flagship facilities above deck
148t torpedo netting on deck
50t unallocated misc on deck
10t hull above water for 2 fixed bow torpedo tubes plus 8 reloads

Historic Ships: Cavendish, Hawkins, Raleigh, Frobisher, Effingham, Drake
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells

[Darman]

Increased Main belt from 6.5 --> 8"
Added 500nm to range
Tweaked belt length as needed

Cavendish Mk 2, United Kingdom Armored Cruiser laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   10,926 t light; 11,409 t standard; 12,815 t normal; 13,940 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (475.00 ft / 475.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.92 ft)
   (144.78 m / 144.78 m) x 18.29 m  x (8.23 / 8.81 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.07lbs / 375.61kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 5.42lbs / 2.46kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 4,641 lbs / 2,105 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   284.00 ft / 86.56 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   191.00 ft / 58.22 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.50" / 140 mm   284.00 ft / 86.56 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      5.50" / 140 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 3.00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 25,589 ihp / 19,089 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 13.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,531 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   601 - 782

Cost:
   £1.089 million / $4.356 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 704 tons, 5.5 %
   Armour: 3,829 tons, 29.9 %
      - Belts: 2,139 tons, 16.7 %
      - Armament: 461 tons, 3.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,076 tons, 8.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 153 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 2,681 tons, 20.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,454 tons, 27.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,889 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 258 tons, 2.0 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 198 tons
      - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,812 lbs / 5,811 Kg = 14.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.583 / 0.592
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.92 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.71 ft / 4.79 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,513 Square feet or 1,906 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 557 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.72
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

misc weight
25t long-range radio above deck
50t flagship facilities above deck
148t torpedo netting on deck
50t unallocated misc on deck
10t hull above water for 2 fixed bow torpedo tubes plus 8 reloads

Historic Ships: Cavendish, Hawkins, Raleigh, Frobisher, Effingham, Drake
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells

[Tanthalas]

they are all good ships mate, but with people building 23Knot+ BBs/BCs I have to wonder if they are worth the cost of construction.  Logi is building a couple 24 knotters, and I have the 23 knot laying down (only question is which one of them at this point).  If I went with the biggest one we are talking 7K tons heavier, but more than twice as effective (10" armour, 8X11/45).  Not saying they aren't worth building just saying the brits would likely know about these ships and take them into consideration.

[Darman]

Right now I'm more doing this as an exercise for myself to improve my design skills.  Trying to hone one design down til its good.  Logi's been coaching me through it. 

dropped 500nm and added an extra 1" belt armor so its now at 9"

Cavendish Mk 2, United Kingdom Armored Cruiser laid down 1904 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   11,058 t light; 11,540 t standard; 12,825 t normal; 13,853 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (475.00 ft / 475.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.75 ft)
   (144.78 m / 144.78 m) x 18.29 m  x (8.23 / 8.76 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.07lbs / 375.61kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 5.42lbs / 2.46kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 4,641 lbs / 2,105 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   284.00 ft / 86.56 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   191.00 ft / 58.22 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.50" / 140 mm   284.00 ft / 86.56 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      5.50" / 140 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 3.00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 25,600 ihp / 19,098 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 13.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,313 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   602 - 783

Cost:
   £1.094 million / $4.375 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 704 tons, 5.5 %
   Armour: 3,952 tons, 30.8 %
      - Belts: 2,261 tons, 17.6 %
      - Armament: 461 tons, 3.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,077 tons, 8.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 153 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 2,682 tons, 20.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,462 tons, 27.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,767 tons, 13.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 258 tons, 2.0 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 198 tons
      - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,816 lbs / 5,813 Kg = 14.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.79
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.583 / 0.592
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.92 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.71 ft / 4.79 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,522 Square feet or 1,907 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 558 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.73
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

misc weight
25t long-range radio above deck
50t flagship facilities above deck
148t torpedo netting on deck
50t unallocated misc on deck
10t hull above water for 2 fixed bow torpedo tubes plus 8 reloads

Historic Ships: Cavendish, Hawkins, Raleigh, Frobisher, Effingham, Drake
Krupp Cemented Armor
Semi-Armor Piercing Shells

[Kaiser Kirk]

question - can you find a ship built with early 1900s metallurgy that has twin 12"/40-ish gun turrets and a 60ft beam?

[Tanthalas]

Didn't look very hard but came up with the following
SMS Brandenburg, 11/40 twins 64 foot
SMS Kaiser Friedrich III 9.4/40 twins 66 foot (but I think we can assume the 11" twins woulda fit)
USS Indiana 13/35 twins 69 foot
Basically that's it for 11" or better twins.

question - can you find a ship built with early 1900s metallurgy that has twin 12"/40-ish gun turrets and a 60ft beam?

[Darman]

Dreadnought, United Kingdom Battleship laid down 1904

Displacement:
   17,843 t light; 18,648 t standard; 20,000 t normal; 21,081 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (520.00 ft / 520.00 ft) x 82.00 ft x (29.00 / 30.25 ft)
   (158.50 m / 158.50 m) x 24.99 m  x (8.84 / 9.22 m)

Armament:
      10 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.07lbs / 375.60kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      1 raised mount aft - superfiring
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      18 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      4 raised mounts
     6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 8,506 lbs / 3,858 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   170.00 ft / 51.82 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      10.0" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 30,425 ihp / 22,697 Kw = 21.50 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,433 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   840 - 1,093

Cost:
   £1.946 million / $7.784 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,362 tons, 6.8 %
   Armour: 5,819 tons, 29.1 %
      - Belts: 4,379 tons, 21.9 %
      - Armament: 1,440 tons, 7.2 %
   Machinery: 4,430 tons, 22.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,046 tons, 30.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,157 tons, 10.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 185 tons, 0.9 %
      - On freeboard deck: 160 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,325 lbs / 7,858 Kg = 20.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.38

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.566 / 0.572
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.34 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.80 ft / 5.43 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,211 Square feet or 2,807 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 149 lbs/sq ft or 730 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.68
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Turrets: APQXY (a la Dreadnought OTL)
Superfiring 3"/50 QF are mounted on tops of main battery turrets

Misc Weight
160t torpedo netting on deck
25t LR wireless above deck

[snip]

If that armor is KC, it's a bit thick on the main belt. I assume the raised centerline mount is ment to be A turret?

[Darman]

Yes.  Thanks for pointing that out, I'd forgotten to include it in the description. 

[Tanthalas]

Completely unarmoured Decks?, proly just an oversight but wekk yeah might wana fix that =P