Armor Plate tenders requested

[Logi]

I do not believe the era in question had such widespread standards for international specifications. In any case I think it's a bit late to discuss the merits of the foreign specifications - since it's a rule held over from N3.

We are aware of the decision's potential impact of inter-player BP trade and have been discussing methods to negate that negative effect without simply tacking on more rules and complexity.

[Darman]

I have no problem conforming with the rule as re-stated/re-interpreted.  It definitely would put a damper on inter-player BP trading of components, which is unfortunate from the perspective of those with extra BP.  Personally, while I could have invested in more BP for myself rather than spending exorbitant funds on purchasing foreign armor, I felt that investing in other nations would help the game along. 

[Walter]

I do not believe the era in question had such widespread standards for international specifications. In any case I think it's a bit late to discuss the merits of the foreign specifications - since it's a rule held over from N3.

Well, you measuring specifications are either imperial or metric so I guess it can be quite international. :)

Yes, I was thinking about that as well at one point. It is more likely that a nation builds ships to their fairly unique specifications for another nation (in a "you'll accept it like this or you get nothing at all" kind of way). There is also the possibility that a nation cannot build it to the specs of another nation even if it wanted to due to lacking certain researched elements (either tech or gun).

Looking back at the N3 rules, the foreign label is only aplied to building, refitting or repairing costs though. Nothing is mentioned about upkeep being foreign. The same is true of our rules. Except for the bit you recently added, nothing is mentioned about having to pay foreign upkeep.

The way I see it:
- Nation A builds a ship for Nation B to Nation A's specs (very likely) = Domestic ship construction cost, foreign ship upkeep.
- Nation A builds a ship for Nation B to Nation B's specs (very unlikely) = Foreign ship construction cost, domestic ship upkeep.

To me it is impossible to have both foreign ship construction cost and foreign ship upkeep for a ship except when Nation A builds a ship for Nation B to Nation B's specs and Nation B sells the ship to Nation C in which case Nation A had to pay foreign ship construction cost and Nation C has to pay foreign ship upkeep.

After all, if Nation A builds a ship for Nation B and both foreign ship construction cost and foreign ship upkeep has to be paid, then to which nations standards has that ship been constucted? I seriously doubt that people are that stupid to create a situation like that.

What could be added regarding the current discussion about foreign components:
- Nation A builds components for Nation B to Nation A's specs = Domestic ship construction cost for Nation A, foreign cost minus domestic cost for Nation B, domestic ship upkeep.

... which would mean that as a whole, the components are paid for as foreign ship construction cost. Nation A has to pay 80% of that cost (as Domestic construction in order to create the components in the first place) and Nation B has to pay the remaining 20% of that cost (transport cost, figuring out what it all means costs, installation costs, whatever costs, etc.).

Example: Nation A makes 10 BPs worth of Component X for nation B. To do so, Nation A has to pay $10 to create those 10 BPs. Nation B gets the 10 BPs of Component X and has to pay the remaining $2.50 to get it installed into its ships.


... or we can just keep it simple and say "f**k those foreign rule bulls**t" and remove it from the rules to make it all a bit simpler. :)

[The Rock Doctor]

My recollection of N3 is that we had increased construction cost or increased upkeep costs, depending on when the owner wanted to account for the nuisance effect of combining foreign bits and domestic bits.

At any rate, I'm okay with the mod call here, recognizing that it might cost me down the line somehow.

[Kaiser Kirk]

I feel that a potential issue has been brought to mod attention.
The mods have made a ruling.
I may not be thrilled with the ruling, but that's my problem,
so I thank them for their time and effort and move on.

[Darman]

I feel that a potential issue has been brought to mod attention.
The mods have made a ruling.
I may not be thrilled with the ruling, but that's my problem,
so I thank them for their time and effort and move on.

More or less how I feel.