Dutch Ships 1900 on

[Jefgte]

6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 85 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread

6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 85 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread

;)

[Tanthalas]

Doph LOL, easy enough fix but nice catch Jef.  :P

[Tanthalas]

Fixed the error jef caught, deleated the TB (Doph I wouldnt have that tech yet), and distributed the Misc Weight.

St. Michael, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate (1st Class) laid down 1905

Displacement:
   13,000 t light; 13,612 t standard; 15,169 t normal; 16,415 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (528.00 ft / 528.00 ft) x 80.00 ft x (26.00 / 27.57 ft)
   (160.93 m / 160.93 m) x 24.38 m  x (7.92 / 8.40 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 85 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 5,436 lbs / 2,466 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   326.00 ft / 99.36 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   202.00 ft / 61.57 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   304.00 ft / 92.66 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.50" / 64 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines and steam turbines
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 27,093 ihp / 20,211 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 6,600nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,803 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   683 - 888

Cost:
   £1.295 million / $5.179 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 949 tons, 6.3 %
      - Guns: 949 tons, 6.3 %
   Armour: 4,359 tons, 28.7 %
      - Belts: 2,340 tons, 15.4 %
      - Armament: 741 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,146 tons, 7.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 132 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,839 tons, 18.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,781 tons, 31.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,169 tons, 14.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 73 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - Hull above water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 37 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,271 lbs / 8,741 Kg = 29.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 6.5 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.62

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.483 / 0.493
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   31.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,727 Square feet or 2,576 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 636 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.64
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

73 tons Misc. weight total
Hull below water: 16 tons
4 tons sides: 18" torpedo tubes (one at either end of Citidel per side)
12 tons: 3 reloads per tube
Hull above water: 20 tons
10 tons: Flag facilities
10 tons: Reserve
On Main deck: 37 tons
10 tons: Flag facilities
27 tons: Reserve

[Tanthalas]

Since all my ships will be esentialy repeats untill I make a few (ok ok several) technological breakthroughs (or manage to steal/aquire the techs anyway), I thought I would go ahead and take a look at what my "next generation" Armoured Frigate would look like (previous post was my first atempt at this).  I think this incarnation is far more likley to get built than the previous one, and it is likley to be my last "pre-dreadnaught" style class, as always opinions are welcome (Heck ENCOURAGED).  First ship of the class would be named Nike, combined the 3 sisters would be known as the Spirit Class (I esentialy plan to steal the spirit of Victory from 3 Mythologies for their names)

Note: I have broken down the ihp/shp, as well as listed Range at full power on the VTEs and range at fleet speed in the Machinery section of the report.

Nike, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate (1st Class) laid down 1903 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   12,000 t light; 12,606 t standard; 14,280 t normal; 15,620 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (484.00 ft / 484.00 ft) x 69.10 ft x (27.00 / 29.00 ft)
   (147.52 m / 147.52 m) x 21.06 m  x (8.23 / 8.84 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1903 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1903 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,436 lbs / 2,466 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   303.00 ft / 92.35 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   181.00 ft / 55.17 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   303.00 ft / 92.35 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines and steam turbines
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 28,000 ihp / 20,888 Kw = 22.15 kts
   2 9,000 ihp VTEs inboard 2 shafts, 18,000 ihp.  2 5,000 shp turbines outboard 2 shafts, 10,000 shp.
   Range 2,139nm at 19.74 kts
   Range 11,120nm at fleet speed of 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,014 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   653 - 849

Cost:
   £1.273 million / $5.092 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 973 tons, 6.8 %
      - Guns: 973 tons, 6.8 %
   Armour: 4,095 tons, 28.7 %
      - Belts: 2,379 tons, 16.7 %
      - Armament: 721 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 792 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 203 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 2,934 tons, 20.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,906 tons, 27.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,280 tons, 16.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 93 tons, 0.7 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - Hull above water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 57 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,392 lbs / 6,528 Kg = 21.6 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 14.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.553 / 0.564
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,417 Square feet or 2,176 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 598 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.72
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

93 tons Misc. weight total
Hull below water: 16 tons
4 tons sides: 18" torpedo tubes (one at either end of the Citidel per side)
12 tons: 3 reloads per tube
Hull above water: 20 tons
10 tons: Flag Facilities
10 tons: Reserve
On Main deck: 57 tons
10 tons: Flag facilities
47 tons: Reserve

[Tanthalas]

Well here it is finaly, unless someone spots some glaring error my 4,000 ton Protected Cruiser.  To be considerd Final draft unless as previously stated someone spots a problem.

City Class Cruiser (Generation 2), Unified Netherlands Protected Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   4,000 t light; 4,167 t standard; 4,865 t normal; 5,423 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (383.00 ft / 383.00 ft) x 43.75 ft x (22.00 / 23.81 ft)
   (116.74 m / 116.74 m) x 13.34 m  x (6.71 / 7.26 m)

Armament:
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      6 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 840 lbs / 381 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.50" / 38 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12,137 ihp / 9,055 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,256 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   290 - 378

Cost:
   £0.474 million / $1.895 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 208 tons, 4.3 %
      - Guns: 208 tons, 4.3 %
   Armour: 553 tons, 11.4 %
      - Armament: 18 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 525 tons, 10.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 1,876 tons, 38.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,310 tons, 26.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 865 tons, 17.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 53 tons, 1.1 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 27 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,784 lbs / 1,263 Kg = 25.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.42
   Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.81

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.462 / 0.476
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.57 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Aft deck:   49.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.45 ft / 4.40 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 139.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,794 Square feet or 1,003 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 73 lbs/sq ft or 357 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.13
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

53 tons Misc. weight total
Hull below water:16 tons
2 tons Bow: 2 18" torpedo tubes
2 tons Stern: 2 18" torpedo tubes
12 tons: 3 reloads per tube
Hull above water: 10 tons
10 tons: Reserve
On Main deck: 27 tons
27 tons: Reserve

[Tanthalas]

I like Jef am planing to add some more or less non combat ships to my fleet (what it's a big world and I have to cover most of it), this is my first atempt at a Tender. basicly intended to travel with the destroyers etc. on forign stations.  Not sure I got it right but *shrugs* if I didnt im sure someone will tell me.

Would this work, Unified Netherlands Tender/Coalier/Oiler laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   9,500 t light; 9,813 t standard; 14,808 t normal; 18,804 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (545.00 ft / 545.00 ft) x 65.00 ft x (27.00 / 32.70 ft)
   (166.12 m / 166.12 m) x 19.81 m  x (8.23 / 9.97 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 200 lbs / 91 kg

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   No drive to shaft, 3 shafts, 18,562 ihp / 13,847 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 30,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 8,991 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   670 - 872

Cost:
   £0.745 million / $2.979 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 32 tons, 0.2 %
      - Guns: 32 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 2,872 tons, 19.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,596 tons, 24.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,308 tons, 35.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3,000 tons, 20.3 %
      - Hull below water: 500 tons
      - Hull above water: 500 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 2,000 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20,671 lbs / 9,376 Kg = 191.4 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 13.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.85

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.542 / 0.568
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.38 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.40 ft / 5.61 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,535 Square feet or 2,279 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 167 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 91 lbs/sq ft or 445 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.02
      - Longitudinal: 1.44
      - Overall: 1.05
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

3000 tons misc weight on "tender Crap"

[Tanthalas]

Ok, just so you know this is esentialy the previous Nike class all I did was mess around with the freeboard and move the 6" guns up to deck level (instead of beong below the freeboard), they should fit and over all I think I improved it rather alot.  This is the version I will be laying down as early as possible, as always opinions welcomed (heck even beged for).

Nike, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate (1st Class) laid down 1903 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   12,000 t light; 12,606 t standard; 14,280 t normal; 15,620 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (488.00 ft / 484.00 ft) x 69.10 ft x (27.00 / 29.00 ft)
   (148.74 m / 147.52 m) x 21.06 m  x (8.23 / 8.84 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1903 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1903 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,436 lbs / 2,466 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   303.00 ft / 92.35 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   181.00 ft / 55.17 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   303.00 ft / 92.35 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines and steam turbines
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 28,000 ihp / 20,888 Kw = 22.15 kts
   Range 2,139nm at 19.74 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,014 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   653 - 849

Cost:
   £1.273 million / $5.092 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 973 tons, 6.8 %
      - Guns: 973 tons, 6.8 %
   Armour: 4,073 tons, 28.5 %
      - Belts: 2,379 tons, 16.7 %
      - Armament: 712 tons, 5.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 792 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 190 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 2,934 tons, 20.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,916 tons, 27.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,280 tons, 16.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 105 tons, 0.7 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - Hull above water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 69 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,947 lbs / 6,326 Kg = 21.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.34

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.553 / 0.564
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.78 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.00 ft / -1.83 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.20 ft / 7.07 m,  18.80 ft / 5.73 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.80 ft / 5.73 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.18 ft / 4.93 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,417 Square feet or 2,176 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 598 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.73
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

105 tons Misc. weight total
Hull below water: 16 tons
4 tons sides: 18" torpedo tubes (one at either end of the Citidel per side)
12 tons: 3 reloads per tube
Hull above water: 20 tons
10 tons: Flag Facilities
10 tons: Reserve
On Main deck: 57 tons
10 tons: Flag facilities
59 tons: Reserve

[The Rock Doctor]

I see no obvious issues except that I'm not clear on the 10% oil thing at this point. 

[Tanthalas]

IDK the rules dont say we cant, the oil fire tech specificly says allows bunkers with larger than 10% percent oil, so by that we are golden to use 10% oil at any point.

I see no obvious issues except that I'm not clear on the 10% oil thing at this point.

[Logi]

A late reply but... IIRC the oil fire tech is to allow completely oil based bunkerages. Prior to that you can have up to 10% of the bunker as oil, that is to cover the ships using oil-sprayed coal.

[Tanthalas]

1902/1903 Laydown "next generation" Armoured Frigate.  Given my tech limitations I realised that I wont be able to do mixed propulsion when I wanted to... so I reworked my idea to fit with techs I could actualy have.  Not as fast as the brit ACs (or anyone elses ACs honestly) but capable of taking more of a pounding than any of them this ship would use KC and a newly developed (at the time) 11/45 main gun.  I also included a massive ondeck reserve for use in future developments.

Admirial Class Mk2-2, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate (1st Class)  laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   12,000 t light; 12,604 t standard; 14,224 t normal; 15,520 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (468.00 ft / 464.00 ft) x 66.00 ft x (27.00 / 29.02 ft)
   (142.65 m / 141.43 m) x 20.12 m  x (8.23 / 8.85 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck aft
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 40.00lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 40.00lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,436 lbs / 2,466 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   301.60 ft / 91.93 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   162.38 ft / 49.49 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   301.60 ft / 91.93 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.25" / 32 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19,347 ihp / 14,433 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,915 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   650 - 846

Cost:
   £1.281 million / $5.125 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 949 tons, 6.7 %
      - Guns: 949 tons, 6.7 %
   Armour: 3,982 tons, 28.0 %
      - Belts: 2,336 tons, 16.4 %
      - Armament: 749 tons, 5.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 759 tons, 5.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 139 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 2,993 tons, 21.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,704 tons, 26.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,224 tons, 15.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 372 tons, 2.6 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - Hull above water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 336 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,623 lbs / 6,179 Kg = 20.5 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.602 / 0.611
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.03 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.78 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.00 ft / -1.83 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.20 ft / 7.07 m,  18.80 ft / 5.73 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  18.80 ft / 5.73 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.30 ft / 4.97 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,438 Square feet or 2,085 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 120 lbs/sq ft or 584 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.82
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

372 tons Misc. weight total
Hull below water: 16 tons
4 tons sides:18" torpedo tubes (one at either end of the Citidel per side)
12 tons: 3 reloads per tube
Hull above water: 20 tons
10 tons: Flag facilities
10 tons: Reserve
On Main deck: 35 tons
10 tons: Flag facilities
326 tons: reserve

[Tanthalas]

Since KK brought it up, I decided to go ahead and post my secondary monster idea, as the name indicates I didnt build it (or even bring it up previously) because I figured it was in all likleyhood illegal (blatently so I think).  However it would have had a truely impresive battery of 8" guns, and for future use droping a pair of tripple 8" inplace of the 11" twins would have been atleast hypotheticly possible.

Proly Ilegal, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate (1st Class)  laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   13,200 t light; 13,933 t standard; 15,657 t normal; 17,036 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (488.00 ft / 484.00 ft) x 69.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.96 ft)
   (148.74 m / 147.52 m) x 21.03 m  x (8.23 / 8.83 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 250.00lbs / 113.40kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,604 lbs / 2,995 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   310.00 ft / 94.49 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   154.00 ft / 46.94 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     20.00 ft / 6.10 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   310.00 ft / 94.49 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.25" / 32 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.25" / 32 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,320 ihp / 15,159 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,104 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   699 - 909

Cost:
   £1.461 million / $5.845 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,289 tons, 8.2 %
      - Guns: 1,289 tons, 8.2 %
   Armour: 4,394 tons, 28.1 %
      - Belts: 2,393 tons, 15.3 %
      - Armament: 1,021 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 832 tons, 5.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 148 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3,144 tons, 20.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,301 tons, 27.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,457 tons, 15.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 72 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - Hull above water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 36 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,678 lbs / 6,658 Kg = 22.1 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.75
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.608 / 0.616
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.01 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.78 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.00 ft / -1.83 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  23.20 ft / 7.07 m,  18.80 ft / 5.73 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  18.80 ft / 5.73 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.30 ft / 4.97 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,602 Square feet or 2,286 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 650 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.71
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

Well since everyone is playing around with new ACs I decided to go ahead and post my minor reworking of the Mk2 Admiral class... not sure I will build it basicly the only changes over the original version were to give it an atlantic bow and add one more 6" per side.

[Tanthalas]

Still toying around with Armoured Frigates, since I wont be laying down a new one till 1904.  Opinions definetly welcome, it has grown to 13K tons and honestly I am not sure at this point if the increase in tonage is worth it.

Zegevierend, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate laid down 1903 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   13,000 t light; 13,657 t standard; 15,374 t normal; 16,747 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (505.00 ft / 505.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (28.00 / 29.92 ft)
   (153.92 m / 153.92 m) x 22.25 m  x (8.53 / 9.12 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1903 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,796 lbs / 2,629 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   323.00 ft / 98.45 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   182.00 ft / 55.47 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   323.00 ft / 98.45 m   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.25" / 32 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19,417 ihp / 14,485 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,090 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   689 - 897

Cost:
   £1.334 million / $5.337 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,165 tons, 7.6 %
      - Guns: 1,165 tons, 7.6 %
   Armour: 4,344 tons, 28.3 %
      - Belts: 2,451 tons, 15.9 %
      - Armament: 917 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 843 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 133 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3,004 tons, 19.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,376 tons, 28.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,374 tons, 15.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 110 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 110 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,642 lbs / 8,002 Kg = 26.5 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.87

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.521 / 0.531
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.92 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.47 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.00 ft / -0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  31.00 ft / 9.45 m,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forward deck:   15.70 %,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Aft deck:   48.30 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.81 ft / 6.04 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,048 Square feet or 2,327 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 619 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.07
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Walter]

Still toying around with Armoured Frigates, since I wont be laying down a new one till 1904.  Opinions definetly welcome, it has grown to 13K tons and honestly I am not sure at this point if the increase in tonage is worth it.

You're toying too much with them, except for where it matters...

6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1903 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread

:)