Dutch Pre 1900 ships

[Tanthalas]

Start off with my Destroyer, it is well small, I normaly build to whatever my maximum available tonage is but I decided in this case maximum numbers was more important than building an "ideal" ship.  Only going to bother posting the 333 ton one, as they are absolutly identical accept for the one ton added to make the other one weigh 334 tons (what im OCD like that I wanted 3 to be 1 BP even).  1.04 seakeaping is sorta meh for me but IDK hell they only weigh 333 tons...

DD-99, Netherlands Destroyer laid down 1899 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   333 t light; 344 t standard; 384 t normal; 415 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (234.03 ft / 230.00 ft) x 19.00 ft x (8.00 / 8.41 ft)
   (71.33 m / 70.10 m) x 5.79 m  x (2.44 / 2.56 m)

Armament:
      1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal gun - 14.00lbs / 6.35kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1899 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount
      5 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm 50.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      Weight of broadside 44 lbs / 20 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.431 t each, 0.862 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,664 ihp / 4,971 Kw = 26.00 kts
   Range 2,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 71 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   43 - 56

Cost:
   £0.046 million / $0.185 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 2.3 %
      - Guns: 8 tons, 2.0 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.3 %
   Armour: 0 tons, 0.1 %
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 232 tons, 60.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 87 tons, 22.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 51 tons, 13.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 1.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     70 lbs / 32 Kg = 5.2 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.384 / 0.395
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12.11 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 73
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.80 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.00 ft / -1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   14.30 %,  13.35 ft / 4.07 m,  12.75 ft / 3.89 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  12.75 ft / 3.89 m,  12.25 ft / 3.73 m
      - Aft deck:   62.20 %,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Quarter deck:   13.50 %,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.72 ft / 2.35 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 200.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,661 Square feet or 247 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 18 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 18 lbs/sq ft or 86 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.15
      - Overall: 0.54
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

4 tons misc weight
2 torpedos, and 2 reloads

Trials Speed 30 Knots (+4 knots)

[Tanthalas]

Second Class Armoured Frigate, all in all not a bad ship IMHO... I had to shrink it just a bit but it still mostly works
*note* I havnt posted the PC yet cause it isn't finished (seriously I got .05 composite available still on it WTH)

Province Class, Unified Netherlands Armoured Frigate (2nd Class) laid down 1895 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   7,250 t light; 7,586 t standard; 8,833 t normal; 9,831 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (400.00 ft / 400.00 ft) x 61.00 ft x (24.00 / 26.09 ft)
   (121.92 m / 121.92 m) x 18.59 m  x (7.32 / 7.95 m)

Armament:
      2 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      Weight of broadside 2,338 lbs / 1,060 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 16.0" / 406 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.298 t each, 1.193 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   270.00 ft / 82.30 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   130.00 ft / 39.62 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   260.00 ft / 79.25 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 104 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14,886 ihp / 11,105 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,244 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   455 - 592

Cost:
   £0.745 million / $2.981 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 398 tons, 4.5 %
      - Guns: 397 tons, 4.5 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2,162 tons, 24.5 %
      - Belts: 1,199 tons, 13.6 %
      - Armament: 344 tons, 3.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 564 tons, 6.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 55 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 2,326 tons, 26.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,329 tons, 26.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,583 tons, 17.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 34 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 34 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,577 lbs / 3,891 Kg = 12.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 6.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.47
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 11.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.25
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.42

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.528 / 0.540
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,682 Square feet or 1,550 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 100 lbs/sq ft or 488 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.81
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

34 tons misc. weight Torpedos and stuff (mostly torpedos proly)

[Tanthalas]

First Class Armoured Frigate, it wasnt honestly the ship I intended to build... but needs must and all that.  Honestly I like it (even though I was intending to break with my traditional AQY layout), it works and it fits (much to my actual amazement) it started out as a "I wonder what I could do if I kicked this thing up another thousand tons" type project.  I have a semi sorta kinda started drawing of it...

Admiral Class, Netherlands Armored Frigate laid down 1895 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   11,000 t light; 11,528 t standard; 13,134 t normal; 14,419 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (464.00 ft / 464.00 ft) x 64.00 ft x (27.00 / 29.12 ft)
   (141.43 m / 141.43 m) x 19.51 m  x (8.23 / 8.88 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck forward
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      Weight of broadside 4,454 lbs / 2,020 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 16.0" / 406 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.298 t each, 1.790 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   301.00 ft / 91.74 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   163.00 ft / 49.68 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   301.00 ft / 91.74 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 18,224 ihp / 13,595 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,891 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   613 - 797

Cost:
   £1.161 million / $4.645 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 820 tons, 6.2 %
      - Guns: 818 tons, 6.2 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3,840 tons, 29.2 %
      - Belts: 2,420 tons, 18.4 %
      - Armament: 583 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 717 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 120 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,848 tons, 21.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,408 tons, 25.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,134 tons, 16.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 84 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 84 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,025 lbs / 5,455 Kg = 18.1 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 7.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 13.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.37

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.573 / 0.584
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 86.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,183 Square feet or 1,968 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 573 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

84 tons Misc. weight on torpedos and stuff

[snip]

You dont get 1900 engines until 1898 laydown. We are still covering the research times in pre-start, you just don't have to pay for them.

[Tanthalas]

You dont get 1900 engines until 1898 laydown. We are still covering the research times in pre-start, you just don't have to pay for them.

not a big deal, 1895 was a randomly selected laydown year.  I think I have the slips/docks anyway to lay them all down from 1898 on.  I dont think it will even make a diference to preformance/weights.  Honestly if that is the only error I made, I am kinda impressed with myself (even if I did build them all with the rules page open).

[snip]

Stuffing to much into the 1898-1899 period might elicit some grumbling. Try not to overpack it.

[Tanthalas]

Sorta a problem for the Dutch Navy (Belgium didnt have one worth bothering with honestly) they built like everything "modern" from like 1897-1902 (laydown dates obviously) before that it was like right at our PoD (and a bunch of wood hulled sailing/steam stuff I couldnt be botherd to sim)

Stuffing to much into the 1898-1899 period might elicit some grumbling. Try not to overpack it.

[snip]

Fair enough, but it could seem a bit gamey to get modern engines on everything.

[Tanthalas]

I am actualy working on the PC right now, I think I can make it work still with 1890 engines (seriously it had 1895 as the engine year to start with), and there are actualy more of them than anything (well accept the DDs but who counts DDs).

Fair enough, but it could seem a bit gamey to get modern engines on everything.

[Tanthalas]

City class Protected Cruiser.  As it stands right now, not the greatest ship but I think it is rule compliant.

City Class Cruiser, Unified Netherlands Protected Cruiser laid down 1890

Displacement:
   3,500 t light; 3,652 t standard; 4,097 t normal; 4,453 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (353.00 ft / 353.00 ft) x 43.75 ft x (18.00 / 19.19 ft)
   (107.59 m / 107.59 m) x 13.34 m  x (5.49 / 5.85 m)

Armament:
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      6 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 840 lbs / 381 kg

Armour:
   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,449 ihp / 7,049 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 4,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 802 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   255 - 332

Cost:
   £0.404 million / $1.617 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 142 tons, 3.5 %
      - Guns: 142 tons, 3.5 %
   Armour: 512 tons, 12.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 512 tons, 12.5 %
   Machinery: 1,724 tons, 42.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,072 tons, 26.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 597 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,981 lbs / 899 Kg = 18.3 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.56
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.58

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.516 / 0.526
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.07 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.15 ft / 3.70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 146.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 70.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,442 Square feet or 970 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 69 lbs/sq ft or 337 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.58
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

50 tons Misc Weight Torps and "stuff"

[snip]

Can you point me to the 6" gun you used for this? I dont recall any L45s being in use this early, most of us have L40s on our early ships.

[Tanthalas]

Oh Damn, good catch, I just forgot to change them when I kicked it back 5 years.  I was concentrating on making sure the engine and everything was right and compleatly forgot to change the guns.  Let me fix that and I will repost it.

Can you point me to the 6" gun you used for this? I dont recall any L45s being in use this early, most of us have L40s on our early ships.

[Tanthalas]

there fixed, and added the actual you know torpedo tubes...

City Class Cruiser, Unified Netherlands Protected Cruiser laid down 1890

Displacement:
   3,500 t light; 3,652 t standard; 4,097 t normal; 4,453 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (353.00 ft / 353.00 ft) x 43.75 ft x (18.00 / 19.19 ft)
   (107.59 m / 107.59 m) x 13.34 m  x (5.49 / 5.85 m)

Armament:
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      6 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 840 lbs / 381 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 16.0" / 406 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.245 t each, 0.981 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,449 ihp / 7,049 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 4,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 802 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   255 - 332

Cost:
   £0.400 million / $1.599 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 126 tons, 3.1 %
      - Guns: 124 tons, 3.0 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 512 tons, 12.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 512 tons, 12.5 %
   Machinery: 1,727 tons, 42.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,086 tons, 26.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 597 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,009 lbs / 911 Kg = 18.6 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.57
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.58

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.516 / 0.526
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.07 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.15 ft / 3.70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 145.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 69.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,442 Square feet or 970 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 69 lbs/sq ft or 338 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.58
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

50 tons Misc Weight Torps and "stuff"

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that does it, Im adding a big notice saying not to use the built-in torp function. Its bugged to shit. Use the Misc weight rules.

[Tanthalas]

I dont think it has ever worke right in Spring Sharp... I always just used the misc weight route, and put the tubes in to show more or less where they were.

that does it, Im adding a big notice saying not to use the built-in torp function. Its bugged to shit. Use the Misc weight rules.