France - 1900-H1 : DRAFT for DISCUSSION

Started by Jefgte, June 29, 2014, 04:28:51 PM

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The Rock Doctor

#45
September 22, 2014, 06:01:49 PM
I'd suggest that not all of your forts and army should be the most modern tech.  Some should be one behind; they'll cost less while they're in reserve.

I'd also suggest all your coastal batteries and forts be in reserve status.  That'll save some money.  It's not like Mike is likely to send the German hordes your way - especially in 1/00.

Finally, you might just have to scale back on your naval building and R&D for a year.  Spend that money on an IC each half-year and you'll have another $4 to use in 1/01.  That's the Ottoman philosophy - small steps towards global domination.

Jefgte

#46
September 23, 2014, 04:04:11 PM Last Edit: September 23, 2014, 04:18:18 PM by Jefgte
IC comparison
USA; 43
ENG; 46
GER; 28
Neth; 22
Russ; 21
Japan; 14
Turq; 13
France; 12

=>12 is ridiculous=> FRANCE OFFSIDE for 1900 & 1901

Navy Constructions = 0
Research = 0

All free money & BP affected to buy IC
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

snip

#47
September 23, 2014, 04:14:20 PM
Calm down there Jef. We will look at things. *goes to dig up the correct $:BP ratio used in balancing the rest*
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

snip

#48
September 23, 2014, 04:32:05 PM
Based on ratios of Cash:BP, France is currently way low in relation to all the others. You should have an income of about $42, that puts your in with the rest. That gives an IC total of 18 for France proper. Do note you still need to do the regions in order to set your research budget. When you have done the regional breakdown, please post it before using it to modify your 1900H1 report so we can correct any errors that arise.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Tanthalas

#49
September 23, 2014, 07:06:05 PM
Depending on how he splits France (I did 10 regions just as an experiment), and to get the research he is suposed to have the lowest I could go for IC was 16, a 10 region split on 18 IC looks somthing like this (keeping the Research up around 3)


RegionPopICBPRevenueResearch
France 14.5610.951.5
France 24610.42
France 3412.40
France 4412.40
France 5412.40
France 6412.40
France 7412.40
France 8412.40
France 9400.40
France 10400.40
00
Algeria15.113.510
Guyanne0.90.090
Madagascar2.250.2250
China0.030.0030
00
00
00000
00000
Total58.7819040.3783.5


Quote from: snip on September 23, 2014, 04:32:05 PM
Based on ratios of Cash:BP, France is currently way low in relation to all the others. You should have an income of about $42, that puts your in with the rest. That gives an IC total of 18 for France proper. Do note you still need to do the regions in order to set your research budget. When you have done the regional breakdown, please post it before using it to modify your 1900H1 report so we can correct any errors that arise.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Kaiser Kirk

#50
September 23, 2014, 09:08:02 PM
Quote from: Jefgte on September 23, 2014, 04:04:11 PM

France; 12

=>12 is ridiculous=> FRANCE OFFSIDE for 1900 & 1901


More than Italy.....but no, you shouldn't have been that low.
Thanks Snip for hopping on this.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Logi

#51
September 24, 2014, 01:20:40 AM Last Edit: September 24, 2014, 01:26:02 AM by Logi
The proper metric to talk about is the IC/BP and IC/Pop ratio, not the raw number itself. For example, Japan has 14 IC, 1 more than default France but also 13% more population.

It is likely that France was one of the countries I missed when we were discussing increasing the starting IC. The proper ratios for France are ~40% IC/Pop, and 1.1-1.2 IC/BP. These numbers, reflected in the new number given by Snip, are roughly equivalent to England and other industrialized nations. This should fix your issues, but let us know if they persist.

Jefgte

#52
September 24, 2014, 04:19:38 PM
Well,

Thanks for the good news, here is the last realist board:


RegionPopICBPRevenueResearchGrowth RateExp. Pop
Paris centre8,004,005,008,801,52,508,20
Nord-Pas de Calais-Picardie5,003,002,006,500,752,505,13
Méditerranée5,003,002,006,500,752,505,13
Normandie3,502,001,004,3502,503,59
Bretagne3,501,001,002,3502,503,59
Pays de Loire3,501,001,002,3502,503,59
Est3,501,001,002,3502,503,59
Rhone-Alpes3,501,001,002,3502,503,59
Gironde3,001,001,002,3002,503,08
Massif central2,000,000,000,2002,502,05
Algeria15,101,000,003,5102,5015,48
Guyanne0,900,000,000,0902,500,92
Madagascar2,250,000,000,2302,502,31
China0,030,000,000,0002,500,03
0,0000,000,00
Total58,78181541,88360,25

"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

snip

#53
September 24, 2014, 04:52:25 PM
I think something is screwed up with your research calculations. If Logi could confirm.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Logi

#54
September 24, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
Yes... you only have research for regions with more IC than Pop. None of your regions fulfill that condition.

I'm curious how you came up with the numbers above.

Jefgte

#55
September 25, 2014, 03:42:54 PM
Quote...I'm curious how you came up with the numbers above.

Conjecture or estimation
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

snip

#56
September 25, 2014, 03:47:02 PM
Quote from: Jefgte on September 25, 2014, 03:42:54 PM
Quote...I'm curious how you came up with the numbers above.

Conjecture or estimation


For the regions or the research numbers?
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Jefgte

#57
September 25, 2014, 03:50:28 PM
For the pop/regions only.
3 is the number affected to France for the research
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

snip

#58
September 25, 2014, 03:55:21 PM
Based on the IC distrubution you have specified, France will not have any research capacity. Please read here, specificly the following section.

Quote from: Logi on April 27, 2014, 03:52:38 PM
However, the amount of money a country can invest in research, of both technology and guns/mounts, is limited by it's industrial capacity, It is equivalent to all the IC in excess of regional Pop. This is cumulative of all regions and no penalty is applied for regions with more Pop than IC.

For example:
A country with 30 pop and 70 IC in one region, has 40 IC more than pop. Thus, the research limit for that region is $40.
Another region within the country has 4 pop and 8 IC. There is 4 excess IC and therefore this region adds $4 to the research limit for the country.
A third region within the country has 400 pop and 25 IC. This has no excess IC and therefore it adds nothing to the research limit.
This country's total research budget limit is therefore $44.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Jefgte

#59
September 25, 2014, 04:19:34 PM

RegionPopICBPRevenueResearchGrowth RateExp. Pop
Paris centre6,007,005,0013,601,631,506,09
Nord-Pas de Calais-Picardie5,006,002,0011,501,371,505,08
Méditerranée4,502,002,004,4502,504,61
Normandie4,001,001,002,4002,504,10
Bretagne4,001,001,002,4002,504,10
Pays de Loire4,001,001,002,4002,504,10
Est3,500,001,000,3502,503,59
Rhone-Alpes3,500,001,000,3502,503,59
Gironde3,000,001,000,3002,503,08
Massif central3,000,000,000,3002,503,08
Algeria15,101,000,003,5102,5015,48
Guyanne0,900,000,000,0902,500,92
Madagascar2,250,000,000,2302,502,31
China0,030,000,000,0002,500,03
0,0000,000,00
Total58,78191541,88360,14
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf
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