France - 1900-H1 : DRAFT for DISCUSSION

[Walter]

Does the Paris unit include the Brigade des sapeurs-pompiers de Paris and does the Marseilles unit include the Bataillon de marins-pompiers de Marseille or will you make a separate unit of both? :)

[Jefgte]

Firemen are not included in the army.

;)

[Walter]

There is a reason why the Paris Fire Brigade is part of the military parade on July 14. That is because it is part of the army and according to wiki, the Paris Fire Brigade has been a military unit since 1810. The same is true for the Marseille Naval Fire Battalion which has been a military unit since it was formed back in 1719.

... speaking of the military parade...

*checks wiki*

... okay that makes sense. The Gendarmes are also part of the military parade and according to wiki, the Gendarmerie nationale is also part of the French Armed Forces... so I guess you would need to make a military unit of that one as well. ;D

[Jefgte]

In the army, Firemen are not Infantry soldiers.
But yes, they have military organisation.

Gendarmes are Military Police (MP)

Jef  ;)

[Walter]

Seems obvious that they are not infantry. They make easy targets with them shiny helmets. :)

... but they are armed to fight when necessary (similar to any other supportive unit of the military like transport, communications, etc.).

*goes off to make plans for a military fire department for Beijing*

[Jefgte]

Always working on the 1900H1 budget...

Country	Year	Half	War	Ratio
France	1900	1	NO	50
		24
Region	Pop	IC	BP	Revenue	Research
France	40,50	12,00	15,00	28,05	3
Algeria	15,10	1,00	0,00	3,51	0
Guyanne	0,90	0,00	0,00	0,09	0
Madagascar	2,25	0,00	0,00	0,23	0
China	0,03	0,00	0,00	0,00	0
				0,00	0
Total	58,78	13	15	31,88	3
Misc. Civ. Income			0	0
Misc. Mil. Income			0	0
Total Budget			15	31,878
Military Budget				15,939
Civilian Budget				15,939
Spending			BP	$
Coastal Arty Const.			0	0
Coastal  Arty Maint.				1,528
Army Const.			0	0
Army Maint.				4,34
Fortress Const,			0	0
Fortress Maint,				4,32
Aviation Const. & Rep.			0	0
Navy Const. & Rep.			14,9	15,24
Navy Maint.				8,85
Slipways & Drydocks			0	0
Research				3
Artillery Siege Const.			0	0
Artillery Siege Maint.				0,0533
Ports			0	0
IC Construction			0	0
IC Construction			0	0
IC Construction			0	0
Economic Develop.			0	0
Spent Mil. Budget			14,9	37,282
Remaining Budget			0,1	-5,46

37.282$ for 31.88$ => over by -5,46   :(

[The Rock Doctor]

Given that you should only be spending $15.94 on military stuff, you clearly have some difficult decisions to make.

I'm surprised France only has 13 IC.  The Ottomans have just as many, and without the huge military costs that France has, can afford to build three more IC in 1900 overall.

[Kaiser Kirk]

I'd like to see France broken down by district. 40.5m folks and 12IC put into my budget spreadsheet has no research value. While I fully expect you can divide things so that you do indeed generate 3 research, I'd like to see that broken out.

[snip]

I'd like to see France broken down by district.

This actualy needs to happen. At lease 4 regions

[Tanthalas]

It may not be exact but it is proly close, I read somewhere that in the late 1800s - early 1900s france fell behind the rest of the "first world" financialy.  If I remember right, this was due to the french economy staying largely agricultural while virtualy everyone else was switching or had switched to an industrial base (I could be remembering wrong it just sticks in my head).

as to the Ottomans, their posistion vs OTL is much better.  I havnt done the math but just looking at the map I would be surprised if their teritory had not atleast doubled in size (with a similar growth in their economic power).

@snip do I need to list all the regions in my report, or is just in my encyclopedia ok? I only ask cause I was intending to use the actual Provinces of Belgium and the Netherlands as my regions (if I actualy put them all in the report could do interesting things to my economy/research note im not complaining just asking).

Given that you should only be spending $15.94 on military stuff, you clearly have some difficult decisions to make.

I'm surprised France only has 13 IC.  The Ottomans have just as many, and without the huge military costs that France has, can afford to build three more IC in 1900 overall.

[snip]

In your report.

[Tanthalas]

*grumbles then opens Excel and starts breaking things down* "ok I think my report just got ALOT longer... (although I think I may actualy make more money)

In your report.

[Jefgte]

Well...

That is not possible to play correctly with that numbers for France

Country	Pop	IC	BP
USA	76.5	43	31
ENG	41.2+284.5+35.13	18+17+11	24+4
GER	56.5+0.5	28	24
FRA	40.5+15.1+2.25+0.03+0.9	12+1	15
RUS	149.9	21	12
TUR	55	13	9
CHI	400+2.8+0.7	7	12
JAP	44.1+14.7+7.3	12+2	12

Army, Fortresses, Coastal defense must be @ 90% in reserve  :-X :-X
Navy is correct with 4BB-2AC-2CP-6DD laid down in 1900

Rocky is certainly right, increase IC to 15 or 16 to have a better ballanced Army/Navy

[Jefgte]

For info:
Over the budget -4.16

Spent Mil. Budget			14,9	35,989
Remaining Budget			0,1	-4,16

Army board (partialy)

Size	New?	Region & QG Location	Status	Upkeep
30 000	n	1st Region - Lille	r	0,108
30 000	n	2th Region – Amiens	a	0,3
25 000	n	3th Region – Rouen	r	0,06
25 000	n	4th Region – Le Mans	r	0,06
30 000	n	5th Region – Orléans	r	0,072
40 000	n	6th Region – Châlons sur Marne	r	0,096
40 000	n	7th Region – Besançon	r	0,096
30 000	n	8th Region – Bourges	r	0,072
25 000	n	9th Region – Tours	r	0,06
25 000	n	10th Region – Rennes	r	0,06
25 000	n	11th Region – Nantes	r	0,06
25 000	n	12th Region – Limoges	r	0,06
25 000	n	13th Region – Clermont-Ferrand	r	0,06
30 000	n	14th Region – Lyon & Grenoble	r	0,072
15 000	n	15th Region – Marseilles	r	0,036
15 000	n	16th Region – Montpellier	r	0,036
15 000	n	17th Region - Toulouse	r	0,036
20 000	n	18th Region - Bordeaux	r	0,048
25 000	n	19th Region – Alger	r	0,06
40 000	n	20th Region – Nancy	a	0,72
40 000	n	21th Region – Epinal	a	0,72
30 000	n	Paris	r	0,072
15 000	n	1st Region – (Dunkerque)	a	0,3
15 000	n	11th Region (Brest)	r	0,036
15 000	n	15th Région (Toulon)	r	0,036
25 000	n	(Tirailleurs Malgaches) Diego Suarez	a	0,3
25 000	n	(Tirailleurs Tonkinois) Saigon	a	0,3
700 000				3,936
				$

[Tanthalas]

I see your problem, IDK what to do about it honestly... Have you tryed spliting up your population and IC into regions? I only ask cause I know I actualy ended up making more when I split Belgium and the Netherlands into regions than I did previously.  Say somthing like 10 regions of France?