Germany New Construction 1900 On

[miketr]

Here are two versions one with 240mm secondary and other with 210mm as the intermediate battery.  The lighter guns allow for a much heavier upper belt.

PDN 1900, Germany PDN laid down 1900

Displacement:
   14,001 t light; 14,736 t standard; 15,709 t normal; 16,488 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (446.19 ft / 446.19 ft) x 78.25 ft x (26.25 / 27.31 ft)
   (136.00 m / 136.00 m) x 23.85 m  x (8.00 / 8.33 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.02" / 280 mm 40.0 cal guns - 641.94lbs / 291.18kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 308.65lbs / 140.00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 15.43lbs / 7.00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,280 lbs / 2,849 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.579 t each, 2.318 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   262.47 ft / 80.00 m   10.43 ft / 3.18 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   183.73 ft / 56.00 m   10.43 ft / 3.18 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   262.47 ft / 80.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   9.84" / 250 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      9.84" / 250 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         1.97" / 50 mm
   4th:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 2.36" / 60 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.84" / 250 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 15,000 ihp / 11,190 Kw = 18.26 kts
   Range 5,270nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,752 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   701 - 912

Cost:
   £1.404 million / $5.616 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,278 tons, 8.1 %
      - Guns: 1,273 tons, 8.1 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 5,170 tons, 32.9 %
      - Belts: 2,376 tons, 15.1 %
      - Armament: 1,528 tons, 9.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,107 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 160 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 2,655 tons, 16.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,498 tons, 28.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,709 tons, 10.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.5 %
      - Hull above water: 400 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,413 lbs / 7,898 Kg = 26.0 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 4.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.70

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.605
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.70 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.12 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.06 ft / 5.20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,535 Square feet or 2,372 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 141 lbs/sq ft or 687 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

PDN 1900 b, Germany PDN laid down 1900

Displacement:
   14,001 t light; 14,699 t standard; 15,709 t normal; 16,518 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (446.19 ft / 446.19 ft) x 78.25 ft x (26.25 / 27.35 ft)
   (136.00 m / 136.00 m) x 23.85 m  x (8.00 / 8.34 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.02" / 280 mm 40.0 cal guns - 641.94lbs / 291.18kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 8.27" / 210 mm 40.0 cal guns - 238.10lbs / 108.00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 15.43lbs / 7.00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,716 lbs / 2,593 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.579 t each, 2.318 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   262.47 ft / 80.00 m   10.43 ft / 3.18 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   183.73 ft / 56.00 m   10.43 ft / 3.18 m
   Upper:   9.45" / 240 mm   262.47 ft / 80.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   8.27" / 210 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      8.27" / 210 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         1.97" / 50 mm
   4th:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 2.36" / 60 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.84" / 250 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 15,000 ihp / 11,190 Kw = 18.26 kts
   Range 5,490nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,819 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   701 - 912

Cost:
   £1.316 million / $5.262 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,069 tons, 6.8 %
      - Guns: 1,064 tons, 6.8 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 5,490 tons, 34.9 %
      - Belts: 2,906 tons, 18.5 %
      - Armament: 1,317 tons, 8.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,107 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 160 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 2,655 tons, 16.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,417 tons, 28.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,708 tons, 10.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 370 tons, 2.4 %
      - Hull above water: 370 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,596 lbs / 8,435 Kg = 27.8 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 87 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.74

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.605
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.70 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.12 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.06 ft / 5.20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,535 Square feet or 2,372 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 662 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Please remember to account for torps in Misc Weight and not in the Weapons tab.

I like the 210mm version better. Its going to do a better job at wrecking lightly armored or unarmored portions due to its higher rate of fire. I think the 240mm and 280mm are just a bit to close in chariteistics, with the 240mm just not quite having that little additional umph to make it through heavy armor with constancy, to justify carrying both.

[miketr]

AC Mark II
Edited to get full armor coverage.

AC1900, Germany Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   9,501 t light; 9,885 t standard; 10,792 t normal; 11,518 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (410.11 ft / 410.11 ft) x 68.41 ft x (24.93 / 26.24 ft)
   (125.00 m / 125.00 m) x 20.85 m  x (7.60 / 8.00 m)

Armament:
      4 - 8.27" / 210 mm 40.0 cal guns - 238.10lbs / 108.00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 88.18lbs / 40.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 98.69lbs / 44.77kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 15.43lbs / 7.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2,207 lbs / 1,001 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.487 t each, 0.973 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   9.94 ft / 3.03 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm     62.34 ft / 19.00 m   9.94 ft / 3.03 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 130 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.18" / 30 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   2.76" / 70 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 1.18" / 30 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 21,000 ihp / 15,666 Kw = 21.12 kts
   Range 6,320nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,633 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   529 - 688

Cost:
   £1.035 million / $4.139 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 503 tons, 4.7 %
      - Guns: 501 tons, 4.6 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2,188 tons, 20.3 %
      - Belts: 1,054 tons, 9.8 %
      - Armament: 413 tons, 3.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 646 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 75 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 3,717 tons, 34.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,813 tons, 26.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,292 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 280 tons, 2.6 %
      - Hull above water: 190 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 90 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,403 lbs / 3,358 Kg = 26.2 x 8.3 " / 210 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.45
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 12.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.58

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.548
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.85 ft / 5.44 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 129.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,396 Square feet or 1,802 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 509 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.32
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[snip]

Please remember to account for torps in Misc Weight and not in the Weapons tab.

As there is no Hull below waterline weight, none of your ships have torps at this point in time.

[miketr]

An enlarged Light Cruiser.  Its bigger, faster and has more firepower than the 1895 design.

CL-1900, Germany Small Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   3,501 t light; 3,620 t standard; 3,955 t normal; 4,224 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (370.73 ft / 367.45 ft) x 45.93 ft x (16.40 / 17.24 ft)
   (113.00 m / 112.00 m) x 14.00 m  x (5.00 / 5.25 m)

Armament:
      10 - 4.13" / 105 mm 40.0 cal guns - 33.85lbs / 15.36kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1.45lbs / 0.66kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 347 lbs / 157 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.487 t each, 0.973 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.79" / 20 mm            -
   2nd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,001 ihp / 7,461 Kw = 20.50 kts
   Range 4,170nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 604 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   249 - 324

Cost:
   £0.356 million / $1.424 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 50 tons, 1.3 %
      - Guns: 49 tons, 1.2 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 530 tons, 13.4 %
      - Armament: 75 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 413 tons, 10.4 %
      - Conning Towers: 42 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 1,561 tons, 39.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,186 tons, 30.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 455 tons, 11.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 173 tons, 4.4 %
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 73 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,995 lbs / 1,359 Kg = 84.8 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 11.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.508
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 134.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,245 Square feet or 1,045 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 311 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.24
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[miketr]

Please remember to account for torps in Misc Weight and not in the Weapons tab.

As there is no Hull below waterline weight, none of your ships have torps at this point in time.

I will go through and correct that, thank you for the catch.

[Walter]

Please remember to account for torps in Misc Weight and not in the Weapons tab.

As there is no Hull below waterline weight, none of your ships have torps at this point in time.

While it is more correct to do it, does it really matter? Do you gain an unfair advantage with the sim if you sim the 10-20 tons for your torpedoes in the 'Hull above water' or 'freeboard deck' position instead of the 'below waterline' position?

[snip]

Please remember to account for torps in Misc Weight and not in the Weapons tab.

As there is no Hull below waterline weight, none of your ships have torps at this point in time.

While it is more correct to do it, does it really matter? Do you gain an unfair advantage with the sim if you sim the 10-20 tons for your torpedoes in the 'Hull above water' or 'freeboard deck' position instead of the 'below waterline' position?

Its the standard we have been using. Its not a major deal. What is more important is to remove the torpedos from the Weapons tab. Do not enter them there as it gets all screwed up when you save and reload sims.

[The Rock Doctor]

I probably have this same error all over.  I don't think it actually affects the sim math at all, though, so it's easy enough to change.

Designs look good.  I think I'd go with the 210 secondary BB as well - a little better balanced.

[miketr]

I am fairly happy with this design.  Good speed and combat power for what it is.  I was able to salvage a SS from the Iberian designs.  I might try a more stretched design (12 to 1 rather than 10 to 1) but I suspect this is what I will go with.

Michael

TB-1900, Germany Torpedo Boat laid down 1900

Displacement:
   501 t light; 515 t standard; 582 t normal; 636 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (219.82 ft / 219.82 ft) x 21.98 ft x (10.33 / 10.96 ft)
   (67.00 m / 67.00 m) x 6.70 m  x (3.15 / 3.34 m)

Armament:
      1 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal gun - 19.93lbs / 9.04kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1900 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
      2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.85lbs / 1.74kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 28 lbs / 13 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      3 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 0.00 ft / 0.00 m torpedoes - 0.000 t each, 0.000 t total
   In 1 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,772 ihp / 8,036 Kw = 26.90 kts
   Range 2,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 120 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 77

Cost:
   £0.069 million / $0.275 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 5 tons, 0.8 %
      - Guns: 5 tons, 0.8 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 356 tons, 61.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 122 tons, 21.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 81 tons, 13.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 14 tons, 2.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 14 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     111 lbs / 50 Kg = 5.3 x 3.5 " / 88 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 67 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.408 / 0.420
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  15.91 ft / 4.85 m,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.63 ft / 3.24 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 199.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,989 Square feet or 278 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 17 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 18 lbs/sq ft or 88 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.42
      - Longitudinal: 2.47
      - Overall: 0.50
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room

Trial Speed: 29 Knots
Bonus: 2.1

[Walter]

You need to shave a few tons off since the 1880 destroyer/TB tech limits the tonnage to 500 tons. Also, according the design guidelines, the cross-sectional needs to be a minimum of 0.50 (eventhough the naval tech thread states "composite hull strength > 0.49").

[snip]

Design guidelines are correct. One of us will edit the Naval tech to match.