Russia Pre-1900 (Obsolete)

[Guinness]

Whoo boy, I'm rusty. Comments are welcome.

This is largely a sim of the historical ship with some very minor tweaks. It's a barbette ship, with all 3 main armament mounts inside a single barbette. The Ekaterina-II class. The oldest class still in front-line service in 1900. The machinery would be worn out by then, and the Admiralty is considering an protracted refit.

Ekaterina II, Russia Battleship laid down 1880
Barbette ship

Displacement:
   10,000 t light; 10,458 t standard; 11,142 t normal; 11,689 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (355.64 ft / 339.24 ft) x 68.90 ft x (28.12 / 29.25 ft)
   (108.40 m / 103.40 m) x 21.00 m  x (8.57 / 8.91 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm 30.0 cal guns - 735.66lbs / 333.69kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1880 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck forward
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      7 - 5.98" / 152 mm 35.0 cal guns - 92.63lbs / 42.02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1880 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 hull mount in lower casemate- Limited use in any sea
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 25.0 cal guns - 2.41lbs / 1.09kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1870 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.11lbs / 0.50kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1880 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,086 lbs / 2,307 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 14.0" / 356 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedo - 0.085 t total
   In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      6 - 14.0" / 356 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedoes - 0.085 t each, 0.508 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   16.0" / 406 mm   339.24 ft / 103.40 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Upper:   11.8" / 300 mm   100.07 ft / 30.50 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:         -            -         11.8" / 300 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.01" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.52" / 64 mm  Quarter deck: 2.52" / 64 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.02" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,500 ihp / 5,595 Kw = 15.35 kts
   Range 2,800nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,231 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   541 - 704

Cost:
   £0.784 million / $3.136 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 587 tons, 5.3 %
      - Guns: 586 tons, 5.3 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4,104 tons, 36.8 %
      - Belts: 2,280 tons, 20.5 %
      - Armament: 1,066 tons, 9.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 662 tons, 5.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 97 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,550 tons, 13.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,609 tons, 32.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,143 tons, 10.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,108 lbs / 6,399 Kg = 19.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 38.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.593 / 0.598
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.92 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.42 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.42 ft / 4.70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,988 Square feet or 1,578 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 748 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 3.75
      - Overall: 1.08
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc weight:

7t: Torpedoes
43t The Ram
50t Admiral's cabin above the waterline
25t Admiral's launch and flag facilities
25t Reinforced fighting top

[snip]

The main concern I have is the 6 main guns. Now, I know this is AAY as opposed to something more advanced, but what worries me is how far do you really have to stretch this line of thinking to pull all big guns out early. See here for how it could be possible. Also, its sort of implied (and I think there was language locking it in at one point) that the first BB/AC Architecture tech is for AY designs and Im not sure where AAY falls in that. It could really go ether way as to how that language is interpreted; strictly as in one turret forward and one aft or more generally as in the broadside may only have two turrets worth of armament. I'm going to note my hesitation and would prefer not having this design around, but invite other comments.

Also, most everybody has been going 1890-1899 for startup ships. I think maybe Darman has done some earlier stuff, but its mostly confined to things like policing and coast guard duties. AFAIK, the oldest frontline ships are all 1890 or newer. Something you might want to consider.

[Guinness]

This is one of these guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekaterina_II-class_battleship

I didn't think the AAY configuration would be a problem in an obsolete turret ship firmly rooted in OTL history. And yes, the Russians may have a fair bit of obsolete tonnage still in service in 1900. We'll see as I flesh it out. Many of the ships they hung on to through WW2 OTL they may have unloaded if it weren't for the Russo-Japanese war.

[snip]

Ok, here is what Logi and I decided on. The class is legal, but we are going to use it as an example of multiple main battery turrets (barbettes in this case) forward or aft being a very bad idea until the 1902 BB/AC Architecture. You are free to shape the exact narrative, but the following is what we want learned. Trying to train both sets of guns to one side induces a bad list, firing both sets at the same time over the bow has a tendency to remove the deck planking and cause other damage, and other such things that you can think of to provide a example. This is so we have a clear, in game, example of the concept not working until the 1902 tech is finished. Does that seem fair?

[Guinness]

I'm going to refer to the mounts forward as P and Q for lack of easier terminology here.

Here's my issues with this:

1. I don't think the historical ships even could train P or Q to the off side.
2. Even if they could, the guns are quite short (30 cal, or 9.1 meters in this case), that particularly in open barbette mountings, I doubt they had any discernable listing effect on a ship with a 21 meter beam.
3. I also doubt that even 4 old 305mm/30 guns fired over the bow would have much negative effect.
4. These aren't speculative designs, they're historical. The doctrine they reflect is kind of neat. They were designed for use *in* the Bosporus, where bow-on fire and rams could have been devastating. Sure, we know now they were a dead end, but they were a dead end because technology eclipsed them, not because they were unworkable.

I think there is probably a vestigial earlier step in the BB arch that allows barbette ships (and central battery ironclads) in pretty much any configuration, but it's not really that important. If these make it into the encyclopedia, they'll be listed as 'for disposal' with no maintenance by 1900 I think.

Which reminds me (and this was a grey area in previous iterations of the game): is there a level of readiness where no money is spent on maintenance, for rotting old hulks that haven't been scrapped yet?

[The Rock Doctor]

There's a historical German CDS with similar-ish main battery lay-out.  I've got a half-dozen clones in the Ottoman fleet - though the main battery in that case is three single 9.4".

My initial read indicates the historical Ekaterina II class were dogs, but I think I'd prefer to see the BB/AC architecture allow for this configuration rather than explicitly try to rule it out.

[snip]

Ok, you guys convinced me somewhat. As Rocky said, the ships were historically poor and I think we can use that an an IC excuse to avoid widespread proliferation of such layouts even if the layout itself is not directly at fault (blame for failing on the revolutionary aspect and all that jazz). I'm ok with a few examples, but not the type becoming the standard.

Maybe we need to modify the BB/AC architecture to be this.
1870: Main guns in Open Barbettes or Coles/Ericsson turrets at ends of the ship
1880: Main guns in Turrets on Barbettes (max two at any end, twins or singles), secondaries in casemate, tertiary in casemate or deck mounts.
1891: Mixed-caliber main battery (Main+intermediary calibers), Superfiring secondaries (Restricted Axial Firing Arcs) and Stacked Main Battery turrets OR Main caliber battery in AQY. [Pick One Only]

I think those modifications cover those two designs without leaving loopholes open for Dreadnaughts without the 1902 tech. Does this seem OK?

[The Rock Doctor]

I appreciate the openmindedness.

Not quite sure the adjusted rule captures the description; maybe add to the 1870 tech:  "Central battery ships with two turrets on beam or three turrets in triangular disposition"?

This would also allow us to capture wingnut designs like the circular monitors, too.

[snip]

By saying ends of the ship, I was trying to create a catch-all for scenarios like the circular monitors without going into pigeonholing specific types into the rules. I think that saying "ends of the ship" fits the description of triangular layouts while still allowing other possibly unique designs. How about saying this instead.

1870: Main guns in Open Barbettes or Coles/Ericsson turrets at ends of the ship or in Central Battery.
1880: Main guns in Turrets on Barbettes (AY for twins, AY or AAY or AYY for singles), secondaries in casemate, tertiary in casemate or deck mounts.

I really don't want three twin turrets on barbettes showing up in any capacity until the 1891 tech, hence the qualifier attached to the 1880 tech.

[Guinness]

The Baltic version of the Ekaterina II's. Also well on the way to being scrap in 1900.

Imperator Alexsandr II, Russia Battleship laid down 1885 (Engine 1890)
Barbette ship

Displacement:
   8,500 t light; 8,911 t standard; 9,365 t normal; 9,728 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (364.17 ft / 347.77 ft) x 67.26 ft x (24.67 / 25.44 ft)
   (111.00 m / 106.00 m) x 20.50 m  x (7.52 / 7.75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 30.0 cal guns - 767.43lbs / 348.10kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1885 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5.98" / 152 mm 35.0 cal guns - 96.63lbs / 43.83kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1885 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 25.0 cal guns - 2.78lbs / 1.26kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1885 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.50lbs / 0.68kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1885 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,871 lbs / 1,756 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 14.0" / 356 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedo - 0.118 t total
   In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      6 - 14.0" / 356 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedoes - 0.118 t each, 0.708 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   16.0" / 406 mm   347.77 ft / 106.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Upper:   11.8" / 300 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:         -            -         11.8" / 300 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.01" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.52" / 64 mm  Quarter deck: 2.52" / 64 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.02" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,000 ihp / 4,476 Kw = 15.32 kts
   Range 4,554nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 817 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   475 - 618

Cost:
   £0.624 million / $2.495 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 447 tons, 4.8 %
      - Guns: 446 tons, 4.8 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3,892 tons, 41.6 %
      - Belts: 2,434 tons, 26.0 %
      - Armament: 726 tons, 7.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 646 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 86 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,165 tons, 12.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,846 tons, 30.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 865 tons, 9.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,098 lbs / 6,848 Kg = 18.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 30.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.568 / 0.572
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.42 ft / 4.70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 59.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,602 Square feet or 1,542 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 614 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 3.06
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc weights:
Below water: 7t Torpedos, 40t the Ram, 3t Vodka
Above water: 50t Reserve
On Deck: 25t Admiral's launches, 25t Reserve
Above deck: 25t Admiral's bridge

[snip]

Only 3t for Vodka, are you trying to make mutinies happen? 4t is more advisable.  :P

On a serious note, I dont see anything wrong with them.

[Guinness]

The next step in Baltic BB evolution. This is the first Russian ship to mount main guns in proper turrets on barbettes.

Navarin, Russia Battleship laid down 1885 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   10,300 t light; 10,809 t standard; 11,621 t normal; 12,271 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (380.58 ft / 364.17 ft) x 72.18 ft x (26.68 / 27.89 ft)
   (116.00 m / 111.00 m) x 22.00 m  x (8.13 / 8.50 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 30.0 cal guns - 731.27lbs / 331.70kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1880 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 5.98" / 152 mm 35.0 cal guns - 91.49lbs / 41.50kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1885 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      10 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 25.0 cal guns - 3.31lbs / 1.50kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1887 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 20.0 cal guns - 1.11lbs / 0.50kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1885 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,884 lbs / 1,762 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedo - 0.138 t total
   In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      6 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedoes - 0.138 t each, 0.828 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.7" / 400 mm   364.17 ft / 111.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Upper:   11.8" / 300 mm   163.22 ft / 49.75 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.7" / 400 mm   9.84" / 250 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.98" / 25 mm            -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 2.95" / 75 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.78" / 350 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,999 ihp / 5,968 Kw = 16.00 kts
   Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,462 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   559 - 727

Cost:
   £0.798 million / $3.192 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 466 tons, 4.0 %
      - Guns: 465 tons, 4.0 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4,531 tons, 39.0 %
      - Belts: 2,796 tons, 24.1 %
      - Armament: 869 tons, 7.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 713 tons, 6.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 152 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 1,553 tons, 13.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,599 tons, 31.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,321 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 151 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull below water: 51 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,312 lbs / 7,399 Kg = 20.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 26.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.580 / 0.586
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.05 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.08 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.42 ft / 4.70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,868 Square feet or 1,753 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 672 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 2.89
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc weights:
Below water: 7t Torpedos, 40t the Ram, 4t Vodka
Above water: 50t Reserve
On Deck: 25t Admiral's launches, 25t Reserve
Above deck: 25t Admiral's bridge

[Guinness]

Only 3t for Vodka, are you trying to make mutinies happen? 4t is more advisable.  :P

Funny you should say that....

[Guinness]

Contemporary to Navarin, but in the Black Sea is Tri Sviatitelia. The lozenge arrangement reflects Black Sea emphasis on end-on fire.

Tri Sviatitelia, Russia Battleship laid down 1885 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   9,600 t light; 10,063 t standard; 10,399 t normal; 10,668 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (359.25 ft / 342.85 ft) x 67.78 ft x (26.10 / 26.66 ft)
   (109.50 m / 104.50 m) x 20.66 m  x (7.96 / 8.12 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 30.0 cal guns - 731.27lbs / 331.70kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1880 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 - 5.98" / 152 mm 35.0 cal guns - 91.49lbs / 41.50kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1880 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 25.0 cal guns - 3.31lbs / 1.50kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1887 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 20.0 cal guns - 1.11lbs / 0.50kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1876 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,695 lbs / 1,676 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedo - 0.138 t total
   In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      6 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedoes - 0.138 t each, 0.828 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.7" / 400 mm   342.85 ft / 104.50 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Upper:   11.8" / 300 mm   125.49 ft / 38.25 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      9.84" / 250 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.98" / 25 mm            -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 2.95" / 75 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 14.96" / 380 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,000 ihp / 5,968 Kw = 16.19 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 605 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   514 - 669

Cost:
   £0.765 million / $3.060 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 519 tons, 5.0 %
      - Guns: 518 tons, 5.0 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4,288 tons, 41.2 %
      - Belts: 2,504 tons, 24.1 %
      - Armament: 989 tons, 9.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 642 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 154 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 1,553 tons, 14.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,088 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 798 tons, 7.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 151 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 51 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,878 lbs / 5,841 Kg = 16.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 21.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 91 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.82

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.603
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.06 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.52 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.42 ft / 4.70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,997 Square feet or 1,579 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 647 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 2.97
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc weights:
Below water: 7t Torpedos, 40t the Ram, 4t Vodka
Above water: 50t Reserve
On Deck: 25t Admiral's launches, 25t Reserve
Above deck: 25t Rigging

[Guinness]

Following Tri Sviatitelia in the Black Sea, Rostislav. Lozenge is dispensed with.

Rostislav, Russia Battleship laid down 1890

Displacement:
   10,200 t light; 10,748 t standard; 11,211 t normal; 11,581 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (370.73 ft / 354.33 ft) x 68.90 ft x (26.79 / 27.51 ft)
   (113.00 m / 108.00 m) x 21.00 m  x (8.17 / 8.39 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 805.62lbs / 365.42kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1889 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.98" / 152 mm 35.0 cal guns - 100.47lbs / 45.57kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 25.0 cal guns - 2.88lbs / 1.31kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 20.0 cal guns - 1.39lbs / 0.63kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,465 lbs / 2,025 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedo - 0.177 t total
   In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      6 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 9.84 ft / 3.00 m torpedoes - 0.177 t each, 1.061 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.7" / 400 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Upper:   11.8" / 300 mm   191.93 ft / 58.50 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      9.84" / 250 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.98" / 25 mm            -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 2.95" / 75 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.78" / 350 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,000 ihp / 6,714 Kw = 16.54 kts
   Range 4,100nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 834 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   544 - 708

Cost:
   £0.881 million / $3.524 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 591 tons, 5.3 %
      - Guns: 589 tons, 5.3 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4,497 tons, 40.1 %
      - Belts: 2,869 tons, 25.6 %
      - Armament: 805 tons, 7.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 675 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 149 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 1,747 tons, 15.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,214 tons, 28.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,011 tons, 9.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 151 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull below water: 51 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,718 lbs / 6,223 Kg = 15.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 16.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.84

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.603
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.14 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  16.08 ft / 4.90 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m,  15.42 ft / 4.70 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.54 ft / 4.74 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 17,855 Square feet or 1,659 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 636 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 3.06
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc weights:
Below water: 7t Torpedos, 40t the Ram, 4t Vodka
Above water: 50t Reserve
On Deck: 25t Admiral's launches, 25t Reserve
Above deck: 25t Admiral's bridge