Russians - Set Up Working Area

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For general discussion outside of the related post here: http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=6474

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Economics:

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Region Pop IC BP Revenue      Research
European Russia 89.9 9 7 26.99 0
St. Petersburg 2 3 3 5.2 1
Moscow 1 2 1 3.1 1
Congress Poland 25 3 1 8.5 0
Finland 2 0.5 0 1.2 0
Caucusus 10.5 1 0 3.05 0
Siberia 12.5 1 0 3.25 0
Turkestan 7 1 0 2.7 0


The bulk of the economy is in European Russia. St. Petersburg and Moscow are economic and educational centers. I've thought about breaking out Warsaw and Kiev too, but that seemed... excessive. Note this includes the extra IC noted by Logi in http://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,6474.msg84336.html#msg84336

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The Army is about 51 divisions, organized mostly in Corps and very infantry heavy. The highlight surely is the 3 divisions of Cossack Cavalry, known for their ferocity, initiative, and for doing the Empire's dirty work. All told, there are 1.275 million men in uniform available in 1900, about 275,000 of which are on active duty, the rest in reserve.

The army also supports an extensive network of land forts, and coast defense near major military harbors.

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Ports:

Kronstadt-St. Petersburg 4
Sevastapol               2
Nikolayev                2
Vladivostok              2
Helsinki                 1
Tallinn                  1
Riga                     1
Odessa                   1
Arkhangelsk              1



Slips and Docks:

Kronstadt-St. Petersburg D (Type 3 DD)
Kronstadt-St. Petersburg C (Type 2 DD)
Kronstadt-St. Petersburg B (Type 2 DD)
Kronstadt-St. Petersburg A (Type 1 DD)
Kronstadt-St. Petersburg 5 (Type 3 Slip)
Kronstadt-St. Petersburg 4 (Type 2 Slip)
Kronstadt-St. Petersburg 3 (Type 1 Slip)
Kronstadt-St. Petersburg 2 (Type 1 Slip)
Kronstadt-St. Petersburg 1 (Type 1 Slip)
Sevastapol E (Type 2 DD)
Sevastapol D (Type 2 DD)
Sevastapol C (Type 1 DD)
Sevastapol B (Type 1 DD)
Sevastapol A (Type 1 DD)
Nikolayev 5 (Type 2 Slip)
Nikolayev 4 (Type 2 Slip)
Nikolayev 3 (Type 1 Slip)
Nikolayev 2 (Type 1 Slip)
Nikolayev 1 (Type 1 Slip)
Vladivostok C (Type 2 DD)
Vladivostok B (Type 1 DD)
Vladivostok A (Type 1 DD)
Vladivostok 1 (Type 2 Slip)
Helsinki A (Type 0 DD)
Tallinn A (Type 0 DD)
Riga A (Type 0 DD)
Arkhangelsk A (Type 0 DD)
Arkhangelsk 1 (Type 0 Slip)


St. Petersburg and Nikolayev are the major shipbuilding centers. Vladivostok is capable of limited construction. The Imperial Dockyards at Kronstadt and Sevastapol are mostly maintenance facilities, but can be used for new construction if needed. The rest are almost exclusively for fleet maintenance.

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Ships:

I'd considered integrating historical ships from between 1875 and 1900, but OMG THE RUSSIANS BUILT A LOT OF GARBAGE.

So.... Essentially anything completed before 1875 is to be scrapped. I'm designing ships to be laid down after 1875. There will be minimal if any foreign construction in that time.

Areas of Emphasis:
1. Battleships: ships on par with foreign powers built in St. Petersburg for service in the Baltic fleet. Smaller ships built in the Black Sea.
2. Armored Cruisers: both to supplement the battlefleet in the Baltic and to raid foreign shipping elsewhere.
3. Protected Cruisers and other lighter cruisers: battlefleet screening mostly, some overseas service.
4. Coast defense/gunboats: for service where they make sense in the Baltics, like the Finnish Archipelago, and in the Black Sea.
5. TBs and Destroyers: expect keen Russian interest starting about 1898.
6. Icebreakers. Yup, armed icebreakers for patrol duties. Some icebreaker bows on bigger ships too.
7. Fleet train: minimal. Russian strategy plans for the contingency of moving the Baltic Fleet to the Pacific, but doesn't really take that eventuality seriously, and would be under-equipped should it ever happen. Both main fleets (Baltic and Black Seas) expect to sortie from bases with minimal if any necessity for resupply at sea or in foreign ports.

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Artillery here. Not all of this may make the cut.

Bore (mm)	Caliber/Type	Shell Weight (KG)	Historical Origin	Historical Year	Nverse Origin	Nverse Year
305	30	331.7	Russia	1877	Russia	1880
305	35	331.7	Russia	1886	Russia	1889
305	40	331.7	Russia	1895	Russia	1895
254	45	225.2	Russia	1891	Russia	1894
240	40	140	Germany	1894	Russia	1897
229	35	127	Russia	1877	Russia	1880
203	35	87.8	Russia	1885	Russia	1888
203	45	87.8	Russia	1892	Russia	1895
194	45	75	France	1887	Russia	1890
152	35	41.5	Russia	1877	Russia	1880
152	45	41.5	Russia	1892	Russia	1895
150	40	40	Germany	1897	Russia	1900
120	45	20.47	France	1892	Russia	1895
105	35	14	Germany	1891	Russia	1894
88	30	6.68	Germany	1890	Russia	1893
75	50	9.6	France	1892	Russia	1895
47	25	1.5	France	1884	Russia	1887
37	20	0.505	France	1873	Russia	1876
7.62	MG	0.044	Britain	1884	Russia	1887

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Im curious, what ship(s) you are going to have the 254mm/45 show up on? It seems historically the gun was *ahem* poor, so Im not super worried about it.

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Possibly just coast defense. I haven't gotten that far yet. This is why I got interested in the German 24cm/40 and French 19.4cm/45.

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Revised artillery list. I would appreciate a mod once-over. I'm open to a pre-startup storyline that sees the Russians acquiring some of these foreign guns from France and GB:

Bore (mm)	Caliber/Type	Shell Weight (KG)	Historical Origin	Historical Year	Nverse Origin	Nverse Year	Notes
305	30	331.7	Russia	1877	Russia	1877	Really 12"
305	35	331.7	Russia	1886	Russia	1886	Really 12"
305	40	331.7	Russia	1895	Russia	1895	Really 12"
305	52	470.9	Russia	1907	Russia	1907	Future
254	45	225.2	Russia	1891	Russia	1894	Really 10"
229	35	127	Russia	1877	Russia	1887	Really 9"
203	35	87.8	Russia	1885	Russia	1885	Really 8"
203	45	87.8	Russia	1892	Russia	1892	Really 8"
194	45	75	France	1887	Russia	1887
164.7	45	45	France	1887	Russia	1887
152	35	41.5	Russia	1877	Russia	1877	Really 6"
152	45	41.5	Russia	1892	Russia	1892	Really 6"
138.6	45	36.5	France	1888	Russia	1888
138.6	55	39.5	France	1910	Russia	1910	Future
120	40	20.41	Britain	1885	Russia	1885
120	45	20.47	France	1892	Russia	1892
102	40	11.3	Britain	1894	Russia	1894	Really 4"
75	50	4.9	France	1892	Russia	1892
57	40	4.4	Britain	1883	Russia	1883
47	40	1.5	France	1885	Russia	1885
37	20	0.505	France	1873	Russia	1873
7.62	MG	0.044	Britain	1884	Russia	1884

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I don't see anything that I object to out of hand, but I may based on the ships the guns end up on.