Ottomania runs wild...

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm sure engine years and gun calibres will need tweaking.

Anywho:

The oldest "modern" capital ships in Ottoman service are German-built variants of the Siegfried-class coastal defence battleships. By 1900, these have been relegated to station duty in more remote bases and auxiliary functions at home.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1885

Displacement:
   3,797 t light; 3,945 t standard; 4,480 t normal; 4,907 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (260.50 ft / 250.66 ft) x 48.88 ft x (19.69 / 21.28 ft)
   (79.40 m / 76.40 m) x 14.90 m  x (6.00 / 6.49 m)

Armament:
      3 - 9.45" / 240 mm 35.0 cal guns - 380.38lbs / 172.54kg shells, 68 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1885 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
      6 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 30.0 cal guns - 18.43lbs / 8.36kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1885 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 1,252 lbs / 568 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 13.8" / 350 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.202 t each, 0.404 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.347 t each, 0.695 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   137.86 ft / 42.02 m   8.40 ft / 2.56 m
   Ends:   7.09" / 180 mm   112.76 ft / 34.37 m   8.40 ft / 2.56 m
     Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.09" / 180 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,351 ihp / 2,500 Kw = 14.17 kts
   Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 962 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   273 - 355

Cost:
   £0.311 million / $1.243 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 263 tons, 5.9 %
      - Guns: 260 tons, 5.8 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1,407 tons, 31.4 %
      - Belts: 772 tons, 17.2 %
      - Armament: 375 tons, 8.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 207 tons, 4.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 53 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 651 tons, 14.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,355 tons, 30.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 682 tons, 15.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 121 tons, 2.7 %
      - Hull above water: 121 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,675 lbs / 3,028 Kg = 17.1 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 10.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.659
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.13 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.54 ft / 5.04 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 9,387 Square feet or 872 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 484 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.85
      - Longitudinal: 4.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[The Rock Doctor]

In due course, the Ottomans - like the Germans - figured that the CDS ships weren't really up to spec.  When the Germans ordered the Brandenburg class, the Ottomans paid attention and ordered some (slightly modified) versions for themselves.  The first was built in Germany, the second and third at Constantinople with German assistance.  These probably took a year or two extra to complete.

One of the ships was subsequently lost in an explosion, and I won't be counting that in my starting allowance.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   10,024 t light; 10,410 t standard; 11,207 t normal; 11,845 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (389.44 ft / 379.59 ft) x 65.62 ft x (26.25 / 27.47 ft)
   (118.70 m / 115.70 m) x 20.00 m  x (8.00 / 8.37 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.02" / 280 mm 40.0 cal guns - 641.94lbs / 291.18kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 11.02" / 280 mm 35.0 cal guns - 628.04lbs / 284.87kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1891 Model
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck centre
      8 - 4.13" / 105 mm 40.0 cal guns - 33.85lbs / 15.36kg shells, 90 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 30.0 cal guns - 19.17lbs / 8.69kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      Weight of broadside 4,248 lbs / 1,927 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.521 t each, 2.085 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.521 t each, 1.042 t total
   submerged bow tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.7" / 400 mm   208.76 ft / 63.63 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   11.8" / 300 mm   170.80 ft / 52.06 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm     49.21 ft / 15.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         1.97" / 50 mm

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.81" / 300 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 10,054 ihp / 7,500 Kw = 17.17 kts
   Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,435 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   543 - 707

Cost:
   £0.933 million / $3.730 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 658 tons, 5.9 %
      - Guns: 652 tons, 5.8 %
      - Weapons: 6 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 3,620 tons, 32.3 %
      - Belts: 1,975 tons, 17.6 %
      - Armament: 798 tons, 7.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 698 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 149 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 1,862 tons, 16.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,602 tons, 32.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,183 tons, 10.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 282 tons, 2.5 %
      - Hull above water: 282 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,047 lbs / 5,918 Kg = 19.5 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.65

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.606
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.54 ft / 5.04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,217 Square feet or 1,692 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 676 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.56
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[snip]

Per the gun table here, those 280mm should remain 35 caliber weapons. If they are meant to be direct copies of the historical 28 cm MRK L/40, as permissible under the historical guns clause AFAIK, then they should have the historical shell weight.

[The Rock Doctor]

And then the butterflies flap.

Figuring that the Battle of the Yalu doesn't happen as historical, the Ottomans (maybe the Germans, too) don't get really excited about intermediate-caliber rapid-fire guns.  So when the time comes for new battleships, they don't that the German approach of putting 24cm guns as the main caliber.

Instead, they basically stretch their previous class.  This provides space for a uniform main battery, and incremental improvements in most other respects.

All three are built locally, using some imported components (guns, range finders, etc).  I'd wager the third is still building in 1900, and the second might be just finishing as well.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1897 (Engine 1895)

Displacement:
   12,006 t light; 12,633 t standard; 13,544 t normal; 14,272 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (429.79 ft / 429.79 ft) x 75.46 ft x (26.57 / 27.70 ft)
   (131.00 m / 131.00 m) x 23.00 m  x (8.10 / 8.44 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.02" / 280 mm 40.0 cal guns - 641.94lbs / 291.18kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 98.69lbs / 44.77kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      16 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 19.93lbs / 9.04kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      14 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,355 lbs / 2,429 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.470 t each, 1.881 t total
   submerged side tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedo - 0.470 t total
   submerged bow tube

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   239.67 ft / 73.05 m   10.43 ft / 3.18 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   190.09 ft / 57.94 m   10.43 ft / 3.18 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   239.67 ft / 73.05 m   16.01 ft / 4.88 m
     Main Belt covers 86 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   1.18" / 30 mm         -         1.18" / 30 mm

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.84" / 250 mm, Aft 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 13,405 ihp / 10,000 Kw = 18.19 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,638 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   627 - 816

Cost:
   £1.122 million / $4.487 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 836 tons, 6.2 %
      - Guns: 831 tons, 6.1 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4,447 tons, 32.8 %
      - Belts: 2,430 tons, 17.9 %
      - Armament: 1,007 tons, 7.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 866 tons, 6.4 %
      - Conning Towers: 145 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 2,272 tons, 16.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,119 tons, 30.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,538 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 331 tons, 2.4 %
      - Hull above water: 331 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,038 lbs / 7,728 Kg = 25.4 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 6.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 13.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.93

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.556
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.70 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.73 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 36
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   30.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.85 ft / 5.44 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,634 Square feet or 2,103 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 134 lbs/sq ft or 653 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[The Rock Doctor]

Per the gun table here, those 280mm should remain 35 caliber weapons. If they are meant to be direct copies of the historical 28 cm MRK L/40, as permissible under the historical guns clause AFAIK, then they should have the historical shell weight.

They are indeed meant to be historical, so I guess I'll tweak the shell weights when I do the next round of sims.

[snip]

Two technical notes.

1) The 1897 battleships need to have 1890 engines. If you move the laydown date up to 1898, they can have 1900 engines. We are going with 3 years after listed date for implementation of techs that happen between 1890 and 1899. Given how you have stated the ships will/could be under construction at sim start, the latter might be a better solution.

2) We are still going to account for torpedoes in Misc weight as SS3 sometimes does not count the weights listed under its torp loadouts. It looks as if all these designs have the necessary weight, so moving the requisite tonnage below the waterline should not cause much, if any change.

[The Rock Doctor]

1)  Okay, I'll bump them to 1898.  No problem with that.  Probably means #1 is finished, #2 is launched, and #3 would be laid down in 1900.

2)  Easily enough fixed, thanks.

[The Rock Doctor]

Starting to build the smaller units of the navy.  I'm finding that my "modern" fleet costs almost $5 in upkeep, or around 20% of the Ottoman budget, yet I've only spent 202 of 240 BP allocated for fleet purposes.  I have a suspicion I may end up allocating the remaining 38 BP to older stuff - sailing ships, armored frigates, etc., all of which would be in reserve.

Fleet make-up kind of looks like this:

3 BB @ 11,871 t L
3 BB @ 9,997 t L
6 CB @ 3,797 t L

3 AC @ 8,243 t L
7 PC @ 2,780 t L
12 PC @ 2,136 t L

20 TB @ 500 t L
36 TB @ 200 t L
10 GB @ 600 t L
8 River gunboats @ 500 t L
14 River gunboats @ 250 t L
46 Patrol/customs boats @ 50 t L

6 transports (civ spec) @ 2,000 t L
8 transports (civ spec) @ 4,000 t L
14 tugs (civ spec) @ 400 t L
6 colliers (civ spec) @ 4,000 t L
4 survey ships (civ spec) @ 1,000 t L
1 hospital ship (civ spec) @ 4,000 t L
1 royal yacht (civ spec) @ 2,000 t L

3 large shore battery @ 1 BP each
2 medium shore battery @ 0.5 BP each
18 small shore battery @ 0.1 BP each

[The Rock Doctor]

The older batch of protected cruisers, mostly built in Germany.


Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   2,136 t light; 2,224 t standard; 2,509 t normal; 2,736 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (282.15 ft / 278.87 ft) x 42.65 ft x (14.76 / 15.77 ft)
   (86.00 m / 85.00 m) x 13.00 m  x (4.50 / 4.81 m)

Armament:
      8 - 4.13" / 105 mm 35.0 cal guns - 40.12lbs / 18.20kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1.45lbs / 0.66kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 327 lbs / 148 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 13.8" / 350 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.208 t each, 0.416 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.79" / 20 mm            -
   2nd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,021 ihp / 3,000 Kw = 16.94 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 512 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   176 - 230

Cost:
   £0.194 million / $0.777 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 34 tons, 1.3 %
      - Guns: 33 tons, 1.3 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 367 tons, 14.6 %
      - Armament: 58 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 278 tons, 11.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 31 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 781 tons, 31.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 855 tons, 34.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 372 tons, 14.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 4.0 %
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,257 lbs / 1,477 Kg = 92.2 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 5.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.53
   Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 10.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.511
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.54 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.70 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,925 Square feet or 736 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 305 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.86
      - Longitudinal: 3.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[The Rock Doctor]

The newer batch of protected cruisers, probably all built at home.  One or two may still be underway as the sim starts.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   2,780 t light; 2,887 t standard; 3,168 t normal; 3,392 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (347.77 ft / 344.49 ft) x 42.65 ft x (15.09 / 15.89 ft)
   (106.00 m / 105.00 m) x 13.00 m  x (4.60 / 4.84 m)

Armament:
      10 - 4.13" / 105 mm 40.0 cal guns - 38.36lbs / 17.40kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1.45lbs / 0.66kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 389 lbs / 177 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.540 t each, 1.079 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.79" / 20 mm            -
   2nd:   0.79" / 20 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 0.98" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.94" / 100 mm, Aft 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,043 ihp / 6,000 Kw = 19.97 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 505 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   210 - 274

Cost:
   £0.288 million / $1.152 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 49 tons, 1.6 %
      - Guns: 48 tons, 1.5 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 274 tons, 8.7 %
      - Armament: 58 tons, 1.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 180 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Towers: 37 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 1,257 tons, 39.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,029 tons, 32.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 388 tons, 12.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 170 tons, 5.4 %
      - Hull above water: 100 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 70 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,495 lbs / 1,132 Kg = 70.6 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 10.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.508
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.08 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 137.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 9,789 Square feet or 909 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 61 lbs/sq ft or 297 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.72
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[The Rock Doctor]

Old batch of torpedo-boats.  These will be found on "colonial" stations for the most part.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   200 t light; 205 t standard; 222 t normal; 236 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (178.81 ft / 175.52 ft) x 16.08 ft x (6.56 / 6.84 ft)
   (54.50 m / 53.50 m) x 4.90 m  x (2.00 / 2.09 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.56lbs / 0.71kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 3 lbs / 1 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 13.8" / 350 mm, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m torpedoes - 0.263 t each, 0.527 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,011 ihp / 1,500 Kw = 20.31 kts
   Range 1,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 32 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   28 - 37

Cost:
   £0.025 million / $0.100 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.7 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.4 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.3 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.9 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 128 tons, 57.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 62 tons, 27.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 23 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 7 tons, 3.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 7 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     65 lbs / 29 Kg = 41.8 x 1.5 " / 37 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.45
   Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 8.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.92

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.420 / 0.428
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.92 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 36
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 186.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 1,759 Square feet or 163 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 28 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 73 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.65
      - Overall: 0.59
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[The Rock Doctor]

The newer torpedo-boats are bigger, faster, badder.  These ones tend to hang out with the fleet.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   491 t light; 509 t standard; 565 t normal; 609 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (226.38 ft / 223.10 ft) x 21.65 ft x (9.51 / 10.03 ft)
   (69.00 m / 68.00 m) x 6.60 m  x (2.90 / 3.06 m)

Armament:
      1 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm 40.0 cal gun - 19.93lbs / 9.04kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1898 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline amidships (aft deck)
      2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.66lbs / 1.66kg shells, 1,000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 27 lbs / 12 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.470 t each, 0.941 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,042 ihp / 6,000 Kw = 25.24 kts
   Range 2,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 100 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   57 - 75

Cost:
   £0.065 million / $0.261 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 6 tons, 1.0 %
      - Guns: 5 tons, 0.8 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 334 tons, 59.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 129 tons, 22.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 74 tons, 13.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 19 tons, 3.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 19 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     128 lbs / 58 Kg = 6.2 x 3.5 " / 88 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.430 / 0.440
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.30 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.94 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 193.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,034 Square feet or 282 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 22 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 99 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.07
      - Overall: 0.57
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Guinness]

491 tonnes Light is indeed a big bad destroyer for pre-1900. HMS Havock was only commissioned in 1894 and weighed in at 240t light. The Brits OTL didn't build em that big until the Rivers, completed in 1905. The Germans didn't build them that big until 1905 or 1906 (sorry I can't be more precise, I don't have a better source for German boats than Wikipedia in front of me right now).

[The Rock Doctor]

You're not wrong.  I was having considerable difficulty successfully simming a smaller type, but think I'm on track for that now. 

Still - this guy has the same dimensions as the German Type 1898 boat, right down to the deep draft.  But even with a BC of just 0.40, the actual displacement is much higher.  Not really sure what, if anything, I can do about that.

But this ain't bad, and the "trials speed" is probably up around the historical class' 27 kts.



Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   411 t light; 423 t standard; 469 t normal; 505 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (208.99 ft / 205.71 ft) x 21.33 ft x (9.35 / 9.82 ft)
   (63.70 m / 62.70 m) x 6.50 m  x (2.85 / 2.99 m)

Armament:
      3 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.66lbs / 1.66kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 15,000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 11 lbs / 5 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      3 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.540 t each, 1.619 t total
   In 3 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,043 ihp / 6,000 Kw = 25.72 kts
   Range 2,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 82 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   49 - 65

Cost:
   £0.055 million / $0.219 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 tons, 0.9 %
      - Guns: 2 tons, 0.5 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.4 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 285 tons, 60.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 107 tons, 22.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 58 tons, 12.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 2.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     104 lbs / 47 Kg = 27.2 x 2.0 " / 50 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.58
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.97

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.410
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.65 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Aft deck:   50.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 197.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,700 Square feet or 251 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 19 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 96 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.94
      - Overall: 0.57
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

[The Rock Doctor]

...and the problem with doing an effective naval set-up is that I'm not precisely sure what to start building in 1900.