France 1890 restart

The Rock Doctor · June 25, 2014, 05:27:07 PM

Good job!

One note - I think the largest 34 cm gun you can have at this point is 35 calibres...

Unless it's a historical mounting, that is. I don't know French hardware very well.

snip · June 25, 2014, 05:46:53 PM

Seeing as a look at NavWeaps give no 340mm guns of that caliber (only a L45 introduced in 1912), you will need to downsize them to L35 at the longest. If you are basing these on a historical weapon, please share your data with us.

Kaiser Kirk · June 25, 2014, 07:49:54 PM

Quote from: Jefgte on June 25, 2014, 05:20:17 PM
:) :) :)

Finish the French Navy

431 974t for 432 000t & 226 ships

Jef ;)

Wow, nice job.

Jefgte · June 28, 2014, 03:12:46 AM

BB Brennus had 340-42cal mlle 1887

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Brennus

Jef

snip · June 28, 2014, 09:30:26 AM

Then you must use the historic length and shell weight. Otherwise they need to be L35s. Conways confirms that the guns did exist, but I cannot find more info on them. My guess is you may have better access to French sources then I do, so if you could turn up more information that would be great.

Jefgte · June 28, 2014, 04:33:32 PM

I prefer re SS BB3 & BB4 with 340/35cal & stronger secondary artillery.

Jef ;)

Jefgte · June 29, 2014, 10:53:30 AM

Malplaquet-Denain, France BB3 laid down 1895 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   12 350 t light; 13 140 t standard; 14 563 t normal; 15 702 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (391.42 ft / 387.14 ft) x 69.55 ft (Bulges 76.12 ft) x (27.20 / 29.15 ft)
   (119.30 m / 118.00 m) x 21.20 m (Bulges 23.20 m) x (8.29 / 8.89 m)

Armament:
4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1 124.47lbs / 510.05kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
10 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.52lbs / 96.85kg shells, 145 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 240 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 raised mounts
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7 119 lbs / 3 229 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.524 t each, 1.048 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     45.93 ft / 14.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm     -           -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm     -           -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 486 ihp / 10 807 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 562 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   662 - 861

Cost:
   £1.264 million / $5.055 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 966 tons, 6.6 %
     - Guns: 962 tons, 6.6 %
     - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 450 tons, 30.6 %
     - Belts: 2 339 tons, 16.1 %
     - Armament: 926 tons, 6.4 %
     - Armour Deck: 926 tons, 6.4 %
     - Conning Towers: 258 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 813 tons, 19.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 065 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 213 tons, 15.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 57 tons, 0.4 %
     - Hull below water: 12 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
     - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15 258 lbs / 6 921 Kg = 12.7 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 4.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
     - Forward deck:   30.00 %, 16.73 ft / 5.10 m, 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
     - Aft deck:   30.00 %, 16.73 ft / 5.10 m, 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 16.73 ft / 5.10 m, 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
     - Average freeboard:      16.97 ft / 5.17 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 364 Square feet or 1 892 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 703 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.74
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Jefgte · June 29, 2014, 10:54:12 AM

Fontenoy-Valmy, France BB4 laid down 1897 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   12 975 t light; 13 789 t standard; 15 364 t normal; 16 624 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (411.11 ft / 406.82 ft) x 72.18 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (26.82 / 28.82 ft)
   (125.30 m / 124.00 m) x 22.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m) x (8.17 / 8.78 m)

Armament:
4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1 124.47lbs / 510.05kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
10 - 7.64" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 213.52lbs / 96.85kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
16 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.44lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7 119 lbs / 3 229 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.72 ft / 5.40 m torpedoes - 0.561 t each, 1.121 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   111.55 ft / 34.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     39.37 ft / 12.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.4" / 340 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm     -           -
   4th:   0.79" / 20 mm     -           -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 13.39" / 340 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 14 700 ihp / 10 966 Kw = 18.01 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 835 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   689 - 896

Cost:
   £1.273 million / $5.091 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 966 tons, 6.3 %
     - Guns: 962 tons, 6.3 %
     - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 882 tons, 31.8 %
     - Belts: 2 590 tons, 16.9 %
     - Armament: 939 tons, 6.1 %
     - Armour Deck: 1 081 tons, 7.0 %
     - Conning Towers: 273 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 2 722 tons, 17.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 293 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 389 tons, 15.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 111 tons, 0.7 %
     - Hull below water: 16 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 45 tons
     - Above deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17 790 lbs / 8 069 Kg = 14.8 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 5.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 14.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.70

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.630
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 19.69 ft / 6.00 m, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
     - Forward deck:   30.00 %, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
     - Aft deck:   30.00 %, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m, 17.06 ft / 5.20 m
     - Average freeboard:      17.27 ft / 5.26 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 22 002 Square feet or 2 044 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 694 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Jefgte · July 02, 2014, 05:41:03 PM

Board of the Fleet ... in progress

Qty	Class	Tonnage	Y LD
1	BB1	10900	1890
1	BB1	10900	1890
2	AC1	6220	1890
4	CL1	3600	1891
4	CL1	3600	1891
2	CBB1	6350	1891
6	AT1	1250	1891
12	TB1	125	1892
12	TB2	135	1892
1	BB2	11730	1892
1	BB2	11730	1892
2	AC2	7000	1893
4	CP2	3800	1893
4	CP2	3800	1893
2	CBB2	6375	1894
6	AT2	1275	1894
12	TB3	165	1894
12	TB4	235	1894
1	BB3	12350	1895
1	BB3	12350	1895
2	AC3	9500	1895
2	AC3	9500	1895
4	CP3	4150	1896
4	CP3	4150	1896
2	CBB3	6400	1896
6	AT3	1300	1896
12	TB5	350	1897
12	TB5	350	1897
1	BB4	12975	1897
1	BB4	12975	1897
2	AC4	9840	1898
2	AC4	9840	1898
2	CBB4	6510	1898
0	0	0	1899
12	AT4	3000	1899
48	Peniche	88	1899
12	TB6	380	1899
12	TB6	380	1899
226		431974

Total 226 ships => 431974t for 432000t max

Jefgte · July 03, 2014, 10:55:12 AM

Full board

Qty	Class	Tonnage	Y LD	Tot tonnage	Name	surv.	Armament	Dimensions	Speed	range	Protection
1	BB1	10900	1890	10900	Marignan	6345kg	4x305+10x140+8x100+8x65	117x22x8	18kts	7000nm	B330-150-D60-T330
1	BB1	10900	1890	10900	Rocroi	6345kg	4x305+10x140+8x100+8x65	117x22x8	18kts	7000nm	B330
2	AC1	6220	1890	12440	Nerw-Wissen	1758kg	6x194+6x140+4x100+4Ttx380	120x16x6.75	20.17kts	6500nm	B100-D40
4	CL1	3600	1891	14400	Danjout-Dufort	1043kg	4x140+6x100+4x47+4TTx380	112x16x4.64	20.16kts	6000nm	D30
4	CL1	3600	1891	14400	Dentraigues-Duvilars	1043kg	4x140+6x100+4x47+4TTx380	112x16x4.64	20.16kts	6000nm	D30
2	CBB1	6350	1891	12700		2592kg	4x274+6x140+8x47	100x20x5.92	18kts	5800nm	B200-100-D50-T240
6	AT1	1250	1891	7500		238kg	3x100+4x65+4TTx380	70x10x3.85	20.15kts	2500nm
12	TB1	125	1892	1500		13kg	2x37+3TTx380	38x4.6x1.87	21.07kts	250nm
12	TB2	135	1892	1620		15kg	2x37+3TTx380	42x4.8x1.78	21.26kts	450nm
1	BB2	11730	1892	11730	Tolbiac	6950kg	4x305+10x194+8x100+16x65	119x22.8x8.13	18.03kts	7000nm	B340-150-D70-T340
1	BB2	11730	1892	11730	Bouvines	6950kg	4x305+10x194+8x100+16x65	119x22.8x8.13	18.03kts	7000nm	B340-150-D70-T340
2	AC2	7000	1893	14000	Fontenoy-Valmy	2108kg	8x194+6x140+4x47+4TTx380	130x17x6.49	20.4kts	6500nm	B100-D40
4	CP2	3800	1893	15200	Carmelia-Ceres	1078kg	4x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx380	119x15x4.52	20.42kts	6000nm	D30
4	CP2	3800	1893	15200	Caliste-Cassandra	1078kg	4x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx380	119x15x4.52	20.42kts	6000nm	D30
2	CBB2	6375	1894	12750		2613kg	4x274+6x140+4x47	100x20x5.94	18kts	5800nm	B200-100-D60-T240
6	AT2	1275	1894	7650		247kg	3x100+4x65+4TTx380	70x10.28x3.85	20.17kts	2780nm
12	TB3	165	1894	1980		20kg	2x47+3TTx381	48x5.46x1.76	21.24kts	1070nm
12	TB4	235	1894	2820		27kg	4x47+3TTx450	54x6x2	23kts	1000nm
1	BB3	12350	1895	12350	Malplaquet	6914kg	4x340+10x194x12x100+16x65	119x23.2x8.29	18kts	7000nm	B340-150-D75-40-T340
1	BB3	12350	1895	12350	Denain	6914kg	4x340+10x194x12x100+16x65	119x23.2x8.29	18kts	7000nm	B340-150-D75-40-T340
2	AC3	9500	1895	19000	Castillon-Cocherel	2756kg	2T2x240+6x140+6x100+4TTx450	152x19x6.56	21.75kts	6000nm	B120-D40
2	AC3	9500	1895	19000	Formigny- Baugé	2756kg	2T2x240+6x140+6x100+4TTx450	152x19x6.56	21.75kts	6000nm	B120-D40
4	CP3	4150	1896	16600		1056kg	4x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx450	120x15x4.74	21.12kts	6000nm	D30
4	CP3	4150	1896	16600		1056kg	4x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx450	120x15x4.74	21.12kts	6000nm	D30
2	CBB3	6400	1896	12800		3360kg	4x274+8x140+8x47+4ttx450	102x20x5.91	18kts	6000nm	B230-120-D65-30-T240
6	AT3	1300	1896	7800		253kg	3x100+4x65+4TTx450	70x10.4x3.91	20.16kts	3000nm
12	TB5	350	1897	4200		34kg	2x65+2x47+4TTx450	63x7x2.23	24kts	1500nm
12	TB5	350	1897	4200		34kg	2x65+2x47+4TTx450	63x7x2.23	24kts	1500nm
1	BB4	12975	1897	12975	Fontenoy	8069kg	4x340+10x194x12x100+16x65	125x23.6x8.17	18kts	7500nm	B340-150-D75-40-T340
1	BB4	12975	1897	12975	Valmy	8069kg	4x340+10x194x12x100+16x65	125x23.6x8.17	18kts	7500nm	B340-150-D75-40-T340
2	AC4	9840	1898	19670		3128kg	2T2x240+6x164+8x47+4TTx450	148x20x6.21	22.1kts	7000nm	B120-D40
2	AC4	9840	1898	19670		3128kg	2T2x240+6x164+8x47+4TTx450	148x20x6.21	22.1kts	7000nm	B120-D40
2	CBB4	6510	1898	13020		3719kg	4x274+8x164+8x65+4ttx450	102x20.4x5.92	18kts	7500nm	B230-120-D65-30-T240
12	AT4	3000	1899	36000		1087kg	6x140+4x100+4x47+4TTx450	120x15x4.82	22.13kts	7000nm
48	Peniche	88	1899	4224		52kg	1x140+1x47	30.5x5x1.16	9.7	500nm
12	TB6	380	1899	4560		41kg	4x65+4TTx450	66x7.33x2.28	24.35kts	2500nm
12	TB6	380	1899	4560		41kg	4x65+4TTx450	66x7.33x2.28	24.35kts	2500nm
226				431974	max=>432000

Jefgte · July 10, 2014, 05:27:01 PM

Update for the TB classes.
Just 5 classes built, not 6:

12	TB1	125	1892	1500	13kg	2x37+3TTx380	38x4.6x1.87	21.07kts	250nm
12	TB1	125	1892	1500	13kg	2x37+3TTx380	38x4.6x1.87	21.07kts	250nm
12	TB2	235	1894	2820	27kg	4x47+3TTx450	54x6x2	23kts	1000nm
12	TB2	235	1894	2820	27kg	4x47+3TTx450	54x6x2	23kts	1000nm
12	TB3	350	1897	4200	34kg	2x65+2x47+4TTx450	63x7x2.23	24kts	1500nm
12	TB3	350	1897	4200	34kg	2x65+2x47+4TTx450	63x7x2.23	24kts	1500nm
12	TB4	380	1899	4560	41kg	4x65+4TTx450	66x7.33x2.28	24.35kts	2500nm
12	TB4	380	1899	4560	41kg	4x65+4TTx450	66x7.33x2.28	24.35kts	2500nm

Jefgte · July 16, 2014, 03:50:26 PM

Chaumont, France collier laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   3 000 t light; 3 071 t standard; 3 532 t normal; 3 900 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (295.28 ft / 295.28 ft) x 59.06 ft x (11.81 / 12.82 ft)
   (90.00 m / 90.00 m) x 18.00 m x (3.60 / 3.91 m)

Armament:
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1 493 ihp / 1 114 Kw = 12.00 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 828 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   228 - 297

Cost:
   £0.146 million / $0.584 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.0 %
     - Guns: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.1 %
     - Armament: 2 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 290 tons, 8.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 107 tons, 31.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 531 tons, 15.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1 600 tons, 45.3 %
     - Hull below water: 750 tons
     - Hull above water: 750 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7 910 lbs / 3 588 Kg = 2 497.0 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.71
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 10.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.610
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 32 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 18.70 ft / 5.70 m, 18.70 ft / 5.70 m
     - Forward deck:   30.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
     - Aft deck:   30.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m, 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
     - Average freeboard:      15.55 ft / 4.74 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 156.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 754 Square feet or 1 185 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 162 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 316 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.15
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

misc weight; 1600t
1500t of coal
100t of different store

Chaumont
Amboise
Chambord
Versailles
Blois
Chenonceau
Langeais
Valencay
Cheverny
Azay le rideau

cost: 0.75BP x 10 = 7.5BP

Jefgte · July 16, 2014, 04:25:13 PM

Ville d'Alger, France Troop Transport laid down 1896 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   6 900 t light; 7 059 t standard; 7 929 t normal; 8 624 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.70 ft / 393.70 ft) x 65.62 ft x (17.90 / 19.19 ft)
   (120.00 m / 120.00 m) x 20.00 m x (5.46 / 5.85 m)

Armament:
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 777 ihp / 7 293 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 565 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   419 - 546

Cost:
   £0.508 million / $2.031 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.0 %
     - Guns: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1 898 tons, 23.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 999 tons, 25.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 028 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3 000 tons, 37.8 %
     - Hull below water: 500 tons
     - Hull above water: 1 700 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 800 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7 987 lbs / 3 623 Kg = 2 521.4 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.45
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 96 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.92

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   20.00 %, 18.04 ft / 5.50 m, 18.04 ft / 5.50 m
     - Forward deck:   30.00 %, 14.11 ft / 4.30 m, 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
     - Aft deck:   30.00 %, 14.11 ft / 4.30 m, 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 14.11 ft / 4.30 m, 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
     - Average freeboard:      14.90 ft / 4.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 18 894 Square feet or 1 755 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 376 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

misc weight; 3000t for 1500 soldiers

Ville d'Alger
Ville d'Oran
Ville de Dakar
Ville de Saigon
Ville de Diego Suarez
Ville de Pointe à Pitre

cost: 1.725BP x 6 = 10.35BP

The Rock Doctor · July 16, 2014, 04:34:52 PM

Those transports are really fast. Do they need to be? You could replace some of that machinery with more troop/cargo capacity or scale down their size and cost.

Jefgte · July 16, 2014, 05:19:40 PM

They have escort speed (battleships).
Higher speed give better protection vs enemy warships.
Fast transport could be an advantage in colonial conquest.

Jef