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Masséna-Charles Martel, France BB1 laid down 1890

Displacement:
   11 700 t light; 12 295 t standard; 13 761 t normal; 14 934 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (408.24 ft / 402.24 ft) x 70.20 ft x (27.69 / 29.65 ft)
   (124.43 m / 122.60 m) x 21.40 m  x (8.44 / 9.04 m)

Armament:
      2 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.07lbs / 375.60kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      8 - 6.45" / 164 mm 40.0 cal guns - 128.59lbs / 58.33kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 60.0 cal guns - 33.75lbs / 15.31kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 3.47lbs / 1.57kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 180 lbs / 1 896 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.443 t each, 0.886 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.8" / 400 mm   232.95 ft / 71.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   147.65 ft / 45.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     21.64 ft / 6.60 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm   232.95 ft / 71.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.8" / 400 mm   5.90" / 150 mm      15.8" / 400 mm
   2nd:   15.8" / 400 mm   5.90" / 150 mm      15.8" / 400 mm
   3rd:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      3.95" / 100 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.75" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 11.80" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 13 600 ihp / 10 145 Kw = 18.03 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 638 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   634 - 825

Cost:
   £1.105 million / $4.419 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 895 tons, 6.5 %
      - Guns: 894 tons, 6.5 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 475 tons, 32.5 %
      - Belts: 1 923 tons, 14.0 %
      - Armament: 1 277 tons, 9.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 969 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 307 tons, 2.2 %
   Machinery: 2 518 tons, 18.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 792 tons, 27.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 061 tons, 15.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 661 lbs / 6 650 Kg = 17.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.45

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.616 / 0.624
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.73 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.96 ft / 4.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 963 Square feet or 1 947 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 675 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.15
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Unfortunately that ship is not permissible under the rules. What we have (tentatively) agreed on is that techs that would be researched between 1890 and the start of the sim become available 3 years after the listed date, which is the amount of time it would take to research the tech if we were gaming the turns. Due to the inclusion of the turreted intermediary guns (both 274mm and 164mm) this ship would not be allowed until 1894 at the earliest. Capital ships in the 1890-1894 era need to conform to the following: Main guns in twin turrets, secondaries in casemate. If you wish to propose a modification to the rules, please do so in the tech thread.

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Masséna-Charles Martel, France BB1 laid down 1890

Displacement:
   10 750 t light; 11 303 t standard; 12 607 t normal; 13 650 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (385.02 ft / 374.02 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 72.18 ft) x (25.70 / 27.67 ft)
   (117.35 m / 114.00 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m)  x (7.83 / 8.43 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 811.73lbs / 368.19kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.24lbs / 36.40kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.24lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.45lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 317 lbs / 1 958 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   242.78 ft / 74.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.36" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13 571 ihp / 10 124 Kw = 18.06 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 347 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   594 - 773

Cost:
   £1.010 million / $4.038 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 600 tons, 4.8 %
      - Guns: 600 tons, 4.8 %
   Armour: 3 969 tons, 31.5 %
      - Belts: 2 232 tons, 17.7 %
      - Armament: 750 tons, 5.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 754 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Towers: 234 tons, 1.9 %
   Machinery: 2 513 tons, 19.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 607 tons, 28.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 857 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 40 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 276 lbs / 6 476 Kg = 16.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.18 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.11 ft / 4.91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 18 560 Square feet or 1 724 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 660 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Tolbiac, France BB2 laid down 1893

Displacement:
   11 750 t light; 12 394 t standard; 13 693 t normal; 14 731 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (391.58 ft / 380.58 ft) x 68.90 ft (Bulges 75.46 ft) x (26.24 / 28.07 ft)
   (119.35 m / 116.00 m) x 21.00 m (Bulges 23.00 m)  x (8.00 / 8.56 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.39" / 340 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1 124.47lbs / 510.05kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm 40.0 cal guns - 80.24lbs / 36.40kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1893 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.24lbs / 13.26kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.45lbs / 3.83kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 568 lbs / 2 526 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedoes - 0.320 t each, 0.640 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   246.06 ft / 75.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm     98.43 ft / 30.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     36.09 ft / 11.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   246.06 ft / 75.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.79" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.38" / 35 mm  Quarter deck: 1.38" / 35 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.99" / 330 mm, Aft 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 515 ihp / 10 828 Kw = 18.15 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 337 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   632 - 822

Cost:
   £1.140 million / $4.559 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 755 tons, 5.5 %
      - Guns: 754 tons, 5.5 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 355 tons, 31.8 %
      - Belts: 2 273 tons, 16.6 %
      - Armament: 885 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 939 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 257 tons, 1.9 %
   Machinery: 2 547 tons, 18.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 025 tons, 29.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 943 tons, 14.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 65 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons
      - Above deck: 40 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15 446 lbs / 7 006 Kg = 12.9 x 13.4 " / 340 mm shells or 8.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.04 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.51 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.04 ft / 5.19 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 19 830 Square feet or 1 842 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 143 lbs/sq ft or 697 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.71
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Tolbiac-Malplaquet-Bouvines-Denain

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I rather like the pair of them.

[Jefgte]

Valmy, France AC3 laid down 1899

Displacement:
   9 835 t light; 10 212 t standard; 11 295 t normal; 12 162 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (485.56 ft / 485.56 ft) x 65.62 ft x (20.34 / 21.63 ft)
   (148.00 m / 148.00 m) x 20.00 m  x (6.20 / 6.59 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.39lbs / 192.95kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 84.44lbs / 38.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 390 lbs / 1 084 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.559 t each, 1.118 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.72" / 120 mm   452.76 ft / 138.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 143 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      4.72" / 120 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.49" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 4.72" / 120 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 24 750 ihp / 18 464 Kw = 22.15 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 949 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   547 - 712

Cost:
   £1.155 million / $4.620 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 485 tons, 4.3 %
      - Guns: 483 tons, 4.3 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 690 tons, 15.0 %
      - Belts: 835 tons, 7.4 %
      - Armament: 239 tons, 2.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 565 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 51 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 4 420 tons, 39.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 200 tons, 28.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 461 tons, 12.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6 893 lbs / 3 127 Kg = 16.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.59
   Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 11.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.57

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.618
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.40 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.04 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  19.69 ft / 6.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   34.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.64 ft / 5.07 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 142.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 23 521 Square feet or 2 185 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 498 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.36
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Valmy-Fontenoy-Jemappes-Wattignies

[snip]

On the Valmy did you mean for the last to have simple reciprocating steam engines? Seems like that would add to the ship's capabilities if they became VTEs. I would note that she and her sisters would still be under construction at the start of the sim. As compensation, with that laydown you would be able to use 1900 engines. [Note: Tolbiac needs to be corrected to 1890 engines] Also, that 240mm/45 is something we might have to talk about. Im not opposed to it out of hand, its just supper close on the legality. More then willing to come up with a way this can be built.

[Logi]

This is unrelated but Jefgte, do you intend to play France? I ask because you indicated a desire to play Germany previous but is now simming French ships.

[Jefgte]

This is unrelated but Jefgte, do you intend to play France? I ask because you indicated a desire to play Germany previous but is now simming French ships.

Finaly, I prefer France.
I reuse the 1895-1899 Plan & SS.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php/board,362.0.html

Jef

[Jefgte]

I have started a new plan - 1890-1899
For the moment, that give 168 ships for 532 000t (540 000t max)

Proportions:
1BB - 2AC - 4CP - 6AT - 8TB

BB => 10000 to 13000t
AC => 7000 to 10000t
CP => 4000t
AT => 2000t
TB => 250 to 400t

[Walter]

168?
... maybe I should be a little bit less modest with my numbers and be more aggressive...
*goes to quadruple the size of the Chinese fleet*
:)

[Jefgte]

AT1 to AT12, France Aviso Torpilleur - Station TB laid down 1891

Displacement:
   1 750 t light; 1 805 t standard; 1 996 t normal; 2 149 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (285.43 ft / 282.15 ft) x 39.37 ft x (10.48 / 11.14 ft)
   (87.00 m / 86.00 m) x 12.00 m  x (3.20 / 3.40 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 29.23lbs / 13.26kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.02lbs / 3.64kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 0.30" / 8.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      Weight of broadside 91 lbs / 41 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.7" / 400 mm, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m torpedoes - 0.323 t each, 0.647 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 000 ihp / 5 222 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 343 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   149 - 194

Cost:
   £0.221 million / $0.883 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 0.8 %
      - Guns: 14 tons, 0.7 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 7 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 7 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1 111 tons, 55.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 606 tons, 30.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 246 tons, 12.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     893 lbs / 405 Kg = 29.3 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.95
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  11.81 ft / 3.60 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Aft deck:   57.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.33 ft / 3.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 124 Square feet or 755 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 54 lbs/sq ft or 262 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.30
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[snip]

You need to check your engine years. If your laydown is pre 1898, the engine year should be 1890. If 1898 or 99, you can use 1900 engines.

[snip]

Also, my apologies for not catching this before you redid things for the engine year, we are going to be using misc weight to account for torps as opposed to the built-in SS3 bits. There are some rather glaring flaws with that bit of the program, so the misc weight is the chosen option.

[Jefgte]

TB1 to TB12, France 38m-125tonnes laid down 1892 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   125 t light; 128 t standard; 132 t normal; 135 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (124.67 ft / 124.67 ft) x 15.09 ft x (6.14 / 6.23 ft)
   (38.00 m / 38.00 m) x 4.60 m  x (1.87 / 1.90 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.56lbs / 0.71kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      Weight of broadside 3 lbs / 1 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedo - 0.280 t total
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.0" / 381 mm, 14.44 ft / 4.40 m torpedoes - 0.280 t each, 0.561 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 100 ihp / 1 567 Kw = 21.07 kts
   Range 250nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   19 - 25

Cost:
   £0.016 million / $0.064 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 tons, 1.8 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.7 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 1.1 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 82 tons, 61.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 38 tons, 28.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7 tons, 5.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 1.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     29 lbs / 13 Kg = 18.6 x 1.5 " / 37 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.403
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.26 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 11.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  9.19 ft / 2.80 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  6.56 ft / 2.00 m,  6.23 ft / 1.90 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.24 ft / 2.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 201.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 49.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 158 Square feet or 108 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 16 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 73 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 3.97
      - Overall: 0.61
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trial speed: 27.5kts
Bonus: 6.43