United States Navy: Pre-1900 Ships

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I'm thinking the miscellaneous weight of the DD's and TB's includes torpedo tubes and torpedoes?

Correct. I am waiting to see if there are any modifications to the rules regarding those before fleshing out the description of miscellaneous weight. It would also be safe to assume that the below waterline weight on larger designs included torpedoes and there tubes.

[Walter]

Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.34

"Captain! Our seaboat rating it very low!!"

"Shut up, sailor! This ain't no friggin' cruise ship! If you have problems with that, then you should have joined the Army!"

:)

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Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.34

"Captain! Our seaboat rating it very low!!"

"Shut up, sailor! This ain't no friggin' cruise ship! If you have problems with that, then you should have joined the Army!"

:)

Its a TB, need I say more?

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Brandywine, United State Frigate laid down 1899 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   13,124 t light; 13,640 t standard; 14,800 t normal; 15,728 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (504.50 ft / 502.00 ft) x 72.80 ft x (25.00 / 26.25 ft)
   (153.77 m / 153.01 m) x 22.19 m  x (7.62 / 8.00 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm 40.0 cal guns - 510.00lbs / 231.33kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 7.00" / 178 mm 45.0 cal guns - 165.00lbs / 74.84kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      14 - 5.00" / 127 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 175 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1899 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 350 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,530 lbs / 1,601 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   353.91 ft / 107.87 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   148.07 ft / 45.13 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   353.91 ft / 107.87 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      3.00" / 76 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,000 ihp / 19,396 Kw = 21.63 kts
   Range 6,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,087 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   670 - 872

Cost:
   £1.296 million / $5.184 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 808 tons, 5.5 %
      - Guns: 808 tons, 5.5 %
   Armour: 3,901 tons, 26.4 %
      - Belts: 1,659 tons, 11.2 %
      - Armament: 815 tons, 5.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,309 tons, 8.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 117 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 4,063 tons, 27.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,303 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,676 tons, 11.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 10 tons
      - Hull above water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,875 lbs / 7,201 Kg = 31.7 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 12.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.89

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.567 / 0.574
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.41 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 37
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   40.50 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   12.50 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,914 Square feet or 2,407 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 588 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 1.97
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Walter]

Wouldn't an 1899 ship of that size not be still under construction at the start of the sim?

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Wouldn't an 1899 ship of that size not be still under construction at the start of the sim?

She (and sisters) would still be under construction at the start of the sim.

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Princeton, United States Patrol Gunboat laid down 1896

Displacement:
   992 t light; 1,051 t standard; 1,200 t normal; 1,319 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (220.00 ft / 220.00 ft) x 38.00 ft x (9.00 / 9.71 ft)
   (67.06 m / 67.06 m) x 11.58 m  x (2.74 / 2.96 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.00" / 127 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 175 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 21.0 cal guns - 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 550 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 226 lbs / 103 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         0.50" / 13 mm

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 0.75" / 19 mm
   Forecastle: 0.50" / 13 mm  Quarter deck: 0.50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1,400 ihp / 1,044 Kw = 14.02 kts
   Range 3,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 268 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   101 - 132

Cost:
   £0.076 million / $0.305 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 29 tons, 2.4 %
      - Guns: 29 tons, 2.4 %
   Armour: 89 tons, 7.4 %
      - Armament: 11 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 77 tons, 6.4 %
   Machinery: 233 tons, 19.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 461 tons, 38.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 208 tons, 17.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 180 tons, 15.0 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,928 lbs / 1,328 Kg = 46.8 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.48
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 10.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.558 / 0.569
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   15.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.30 ft / 4.66 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 176.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 5,879 Square feet or 546 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 146 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 49 lbs/sq ft or 238 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.84
      - Longitudinal: 5.11
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Ok, time for some names. By Class in completion order, of course. Will be editing as time goes on to add more.

B1 Class:
Oregon
New York
Alabama

B4 Class:
Iowa
Pennsylvania
Massachusetts

B7 Class:
Wisconsin
Kentucky
Indiana

F1 Class
Saratoga
Lexington
Yorktown

F4 Class
Brandywine
Cowpens
Newtown

C3 Class
Olympia
Montgomery
Brooklyn

C6 Class
Richmond
Albany
Columbia
Detroit
Sacramento
San Antonio

C13 Class
Providence
New Orleans
Denver
Portland
Hanover
Galveston

D1 Class
Stringham
Fusilier
Porter

D4 Class
Chauncy
Bainbridge
Dale
Decatur
Hopkins
Hull
Lawrence
Macdonough
Paul Jones
Perry
Preble
Stewart

T3 Class
Winslow
Picardy
Tabernacle

T6 Class
Dahlgren
Ericsson
Farragut
Craven
Rowan
Talbot
Du Pont
Gwin
McKee

G1 Class
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
William and Mary
Brown
Rutgers 6
Dartmouth
Henricus
St. Johns
Moravian
Dickinson
Hampden-Sydney
(12 More)

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After some thought, I am going to redo the Iowa and Wisconsin classes to make them a bit faster. Given that they would be using compound as opposed to the Oregon's cast iron in their armor, the savings come from thinner belts.

Iowa, United States Battleship laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   9,998 t light; 10,514 t standard; 11,500 t normal; 12,289 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (362.50 ft / 357.50 ft) x 72.25 ft x (24.00 / 25.40 ft)
   (110.49 m / 108.97 m) x 22.02 m  x (7.32 / 7.74 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.00" / 330 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1,130.00lbs / 512.56kg shells, 75 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      14 - 5.00" / 127 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 175 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1894 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 550 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,316 lbs / 2,411 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   196.63 ft / 59.93 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   160.86 ft / 49.03 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   196.63 ft / 59.93 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   11.0" / 279 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,000 ihp / 7,460 Kw = 16.83 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,775 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   554 - 721

Cost:
   £0.948 million / $3.791 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 684 tons, 5.9 %
      - Guns: 684 tons, 5.9 %
   Armour: 3,912 tons, 34.0 %
      - Belts: 2,120 tons, 18.4 %
      - Armament: 1,088 tons, 9.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 638 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 66 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 1,852 tons, 16.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,520 tons, 30.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,502 tons, 13.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 20 tons
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 5 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,314 lbs / 6,493 Kg = 13.0 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.48

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.649 / 0.656
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.95 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   22.50 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Quarter deck:   22.50 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.64 ft / 4.46 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,774 Square feet or 1,837 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 675 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.46
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Wisconsin, United States Battleship laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   10,145 t light; 10,668 t standard; 11,500 t normal; 12,165 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (362.50 ft / 357.50 ft) x 72.25 ft x (24.00 / 25.18 ft)
   (110.49 m / 108.97 m) x 22.02 m  x (7.32 / 7.67 m)

Armament:
      4 - 13.00" / 330 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1,130.00lbs / 512.56kg shells, 75 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      14 - 5.00" / 127 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 175 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      20 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 550 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     20 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,340 lbs / 2,422 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   205.56 ft / 62.65 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   151.92 ft / 46.31 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   205.56 ft / 62.65 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   11.0" / 279 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,000 ihp / 7,460 Kw = 16.83 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,497 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   554 - 721

Cost:
   £0.913 million / $3.654 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 688 tons, 6.0 %
      - Guns: 688 tons, 6.0 %
   Armour: 4,459 tons, 38.8 %
      - Belts: 2,258 tons, 19.6 %
      - Armament: 1,088 tons, 9.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,015 tons, 8.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 99 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,563 tons, 13.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,366 tons, 29.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,355 tons, 11.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 0.6 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull above water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,534 lbs / 7,046 Kg = 14.1 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.49

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.649 / 0.655
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.95 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   22.50 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Aft deck:   27.50 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.64 ft / 4.46 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,774 Square feet or 1,837 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 648 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.51
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

No stacked turrets?  I am disappoint.

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No stacked turrets?  I am disappoint.

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I wonder what my battleships would look like with the 12"/35 as opposed to the 13"/35. Seeing as they have compatible characteristics according to NavWeaps.

Oregon Class, United States Battleship laid down 1891 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   9,141 t light; 9,571 t standard; 10,500 t normal; 11,244 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (351.00 ft / 346.00 ft) x 69.00 ft x (24.00 / 25.43 ft)
   (106.98 m / 105.46 m) x 21.03 m  x (7.32 / 7.75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 870.00lbs / 394.63kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 105.01lbs / 47.63kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      20 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     20 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,440 lbs / 2,014 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   16.0" / 406 mm   173.00 ft / 52.73 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   10.0" / 254 mm   172.98 ft / 52.72 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   173.00 ft / 52.73 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 77 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   11.0" / 279 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      6.00" / 152 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,000 ihp / 5,222 Kw = 15.55 kts
   Range 5,499nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,673 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   518 - 674

Cost:
   £0.778 million / $3.110 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 578 tons, 5.5 %
      - Guns: 578 tons, 5.5 %
   Armour: 4,126 tons, 39.3 %
      - Belts: 2,225 tons, 21.2 %
      - Armament: 847 tons, 8.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 910 tons, 8.7 %
      - Conning Towers: 145 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 1,296 tons, 12.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,050 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,359 tons, 12.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 0.9 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,636 lbs / 6,639 Kg = 16.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 13.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.38

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.641 / 0.648
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.01 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,145 Square feet or 1,686 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 646 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.07
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Iowa, United States Battleship laid down 1894 (Engine 1890)

Displacement:
   10,041 t light; 10,514 t standard; 11,500 t normal; 12,289 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (362.50 ft / 357.50 ft) x 72.25 ft x (24.00 / 25.40 ft)
   (110.49 m / 108.97 m) x 22.02 m  x (7.32 / 7.74 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 870.00lbs / 394.63kg shells, 75 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      14 - 5.00" / 127 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 175 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1894 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 550 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,276 lbs / 1,940 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   185.90 ft / 56.66 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   8.00" / 203 mm   171.58 ft / 52.30 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   185.90 ft / 56.66 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 80 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   11.0" / 279 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10,500 ihp / 7,833 Kw = 17.04 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,775 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   554 - 721

Cost:
   £0.899 million / $3.594 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 575 tons, 5.0 %
      - Guns: 575 tons, 5.0 %
   Armour: 4,168 tons, 36.2 %
      - Belts: 2,086 tons, 18.1 %
      - Armament: 984 tons, 8.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 999 tons, 8.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 99 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,944 tons, 16.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,323 tons, 28.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,459 tons, 12.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 20 tons
      - Hull above water: 5 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 5 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,943 lbs / 6,778 Kg = 17.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 12.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.44

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.649 / 0.656
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.95 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   26.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Aft deck:   22.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Quarter deck:   22.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.66 ft / 4.47 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,774 Square feet or 1,837 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 634 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.32
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Wisconsin, United States Battleship laid down 1898 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   10,189 t light; 10,668 t standard; 11,500 t normal; 12,165 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (362.50 ft / 357.50 ft) x 72.25 ft x (24.00 / 25.18 ft)
   (110.49 m / 108.97 m) x 22.02 m  x (7.32 / 7.67 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 870.01lbs / 394.63kg shells, 75 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      14 - 5.00" / 127 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 175 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1894 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      20 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 550 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     20 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,300 lbs / 1,950 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   193.05 ft / 58.84 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm   164.43 ft / 50.12 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   193.05 ft / 58.84 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   11.0" / 279 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12,500 ihp / 9,325 Kw = 17.81 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,497 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   554 - 721

Cost:
   £0.906 million / $3.624 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 579 tons, 5.0 %
      - Guns: 579 tons, 5.0 %
   Armour: 4,408 tons, 38.3 %
      - Belts: 2,319 tons, 20.2 %
      - Armament: 984 tons, 8.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,006 tons, 8.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 99 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,953 tons, 17.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,179 tons, 27.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,311 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 0.6 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - Hull above water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,669 lbs / 6,654 Kg = 17.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.649 / 0.655
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.95 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   26.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Aft deck:   24.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.66 ft / 4.47 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,774 Square feet or 1,837 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 609 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.31
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

What do you guys think, 13" or 12" guns?

[The Rock Doctor]

I thought the 13" guns were pleasingly different, myself. 

[snip]

I thought the 13" guns were pleasingly different, myself.

I like them to, the issue being I cannot go above a L35 until the mid 00's and I would like to keep a consistent main caliber at least through the beginning of the Dreadnought era. Not sure how content I would be with 13"/35s (of course I would have new ones to utilize slow-burning powder on the post 1899 ships as opposed to the historical guns) until the very end of the pre-dread era.

[snip]

One last little change to this. I am going to be moving to the historical 12"/40 for post-start ships as opposed to my original plan of ahistorical 13" guns, so I figured that the historical 12"/35 should show up on something. Enter the (ahistorical) Puritan. Its about as crappy as a monitor should be, but she packs a whalup. Prefect for the Great Lakes....disregard that.

Puritan, United States Monitor laid down 1893

Displacement:
   4,323 t light; 4,561 t standard; 5,000 t normal; 5,352 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (230.00 ft / 230.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (18.00 / 19.11 ft)
   (70.10 m / 70.10 m) x 18.29 m  x (5.49 / 5.82 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 35.0 cal guns - 870.00lbs / 394.63kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm 40.0 cal guns - 33.00lbs / 14.97kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      6 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 550 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,648 lbs / 1,655 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   149.50 ft / 45.57 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   9.00" / 229 mm     80.48 ft / 24.53 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      14.0" / 356 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,500 ihp / 1,865 Kw = 12.77 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 791 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   296 - 386

Cost:
   £0.455 million / $1.819 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 574 tons, 11.5 %
      - Guns: 574 tons, 11.5 %
   Armour: 1,974 tons, 39.5 %
      - Belts: 1,095 tons, 21.9 %
      - Armament: 339 tons, 6.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 414 tons, 8.3 %
      - Conning Towers: 126 tons, 2.5 %
   Machinery: 439 tons, 8.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,312 tons, 26.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 677 tons, 13.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 24 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull below water: 4 tons
      - Hull above water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,290 lbs / 1,946 Kg = 5.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 40 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.705 / 0.710
   Length to Beam Ratio: 3.83 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 91
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  5.00 ft / 1.52 m,  5.00 ft / 1.52 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  3.00 ft / 0.91 m,  3.00 ft / 0.91 m
      - Aft deck:   45.00 %,  3.00 ft / 0.91 m,  3.00 ft / 0.91 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  3.00 ft / 0.91 m,  3.00 ft / 0.91 m
      - Average freeboard:      3.20 ft / 0.98 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 21.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,105 Square feet or 1,032 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 596 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.64
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability