Economics Discussion

[Logi]

I like Snip's proposal.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Given that better developed regions can afford to devote more people to "luxury" roles like research, and that urbanized areas tend to draw talent from rural areas,  Snip's proposal gives a rough model of both.


The only two concerns I'd have are
(a) one annoyance I had as Bavaria is I concentrated on getting certain techs where I could be a leader, and so have stuff to sell/ trade.  And I achieved one early - wonderful !...and then by time I was allowed to research the next tier, everyone had caught up.
Solution....dunno. Allow early research at +100% cost for each tier ahead ? 

(b) replicating things like the USSR's 5 year plans, which other regimes have echoed. By disproportionate allocation of resources into narrow categories, nations have historically been able to exceed expected limits. Not sure if it's worth complicating matters further to try to shoehorn that in, but it might be again, allowing research over the cap, but at double the cost.

[snip]

(a) one annoyance I had as Bavaria is I concentrated on getting certain techs where I could be a leader, and so have stuff to sell/ trade.  And I achieved one early - wonderful !...and then by time I was allowed to research the next tier, everyone had caught up.
Solution....dunno. Allow early research at +100% cost for each tier ahead ? 

There is a proposal for something like this burred in the thread.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Sorry, missed it then.

[snip]

Sorry, missed it then.

It was actually hiding in the tech thread. I think the post below was the latest, and conditionally accepted idea.

c = cost
b = Base cost
y = number of year tech's being researched earlier/later than listed. Earlier being negative, 0 being the exact year and later being positive numbers.

If y<0: c=b*(y^2+1)
If y=0: c=b
If y>0: c=b*(1/y))

With techs being started earlier, the y^2 will make sure that any negative values will become positive. I added the +1 to it so that when you start 1 year earlier, it'll become c=b*2 instead of the original c=b*1.

I thought about adding +1 to the other formula as well, but I thought it would perhaps be better that when you start a year later with the tech, it still costs the same as when you start researching it at the listed year.

[Logi]

If there are no remaining objections, I will close this thread.

This is the current proposal:

Economics
Pop --> $0.1 / Pop
IC ----> $2/$1/$0.5 / Pop with the breaks being IC < Pop, .... Pop <= IC < 2*Pop, .... 2*Pop <= IC
BP ----> 1,000t War Materials.

In peacetime, a nation can spend no more than 50% of its revenue on military projects or civil projects for which there is likely no immediate economic justification.  The remainder may be spent on economic development projects, most typically new IC or BP.  If a nation is mobilized to a war economy, this restriction is lifted.
Like N3, but Admin can adjust up or down due to tax/tariff and other fluff. In war economy, which is equiv. to nationalizing, nations are subject to admin-induced malus, something like -10% IC next half.

IC costs $10 base, without increase in capital cost.
BP costs $50 base. Every 10 BP in existence increases base cost of BP by $10 (stacking). Every 100 BP in existence increase base cost of BP by $50 (stacking).
Population growth increases in increments: 2%/1%/0.5% for IC < Pop, .... Pop <= IC < 2*Pop, .... 2*Pop <= IC. Increases by 0.5% if at peace.

Research Budget Limit
National homelands (colonial regions are not included) are divided into at least but not limited to 4 regions.
Research budget limit is defined by one half IC over the regional Pop. This would be cumulative of all regions. No penalty for regions with Pop>IC.

Research Cost / Year Cap is dealt with in Technology Thread, not here!

You all have 24 hours from this post (7:00 AM UTC Tuesday) to object.

[snip]

Player usable Revenue is usually 50%.

My only question (which I forgot to raise earlier) is whether this refers to military spending or overall? Given N3 rules, I would presume up to 50% can be spent on military items and the remaining is for "civilian" items.

[Logi]

Sorry I meant 50% in the same way as N3 (Civilian, Military split).

[snip]

Sorry I meant 50% in the same way as N3 (Civilian, Military split).

I presumed as such, but the language should be edited to clarify that.

[Logi]

Inserted the N3 lingo for that specific section. Removed some lines as well.

It is now 12:29 AM UTC, this topic will close in 6 hours and 30 minutes. If there is something else to be said, say it quickly!

[Kaiser Kirk]

But .... what about .... ya know....that thing.... :P

[Logi]

It is 10:00 am UTC, 3 hours past deadline. Topic is now closed.