Rollcall and Other Misc. Statistics

[Walter]

You could remove a few BPs and replace them with ICs. Or maybe a kind of 'bank' where you could sell a limited number of BPs for cash.

[miketr]

Here is the math in simple terms.  Germany has $50 of income.

Half of that can be used for military budget so thats $25.  With 24 BP that means that if Germany were to make full use of its BP it can only have an upkeep of $1.  My military upkeep is looking like $20.  Maybe that is too high but even then its going to do nothing about the base income w/ 24 BP.  Best case I could use maybe half the BP by cutting back on active army and navy but whats the point of building stuff that I just have to put into reserve at once anyways.

If you just give Germany more IC then my budget will increase BUT.  Only half of that goes to military.  With the cost of IC so reduced a situation will quickly occur of where the economy grows rapidly fast. 

Well that is the situation from my point of view.

Michael

[Walter]

Adjusted starting figures for China...

Region ---------- Pop ---- IC --- BP --- Revenue -- Research --
Wei ------------ 129.4 ---- 2 ---- 2 ----- 16.94 ------ 0.00 --
--- Beijing ------ 3.7 ---- 1 ---- 0 ------ 2.37 ------ 0.00 --
--- Tianjin ------ 2.8 ---- 0 ---- 2 ------ 0.28 ------ 0.00 --
Wu ------------- 108.2 ---- 1 ---- 2 ----- 12.82 ------ 0.00 --
--- Guangzhou ---- 0.9 ---- 0 ---- 1 ------ 0.09 ------ 0.00 --
--- Hong Kong ---- 2.1 ---- 1 ---- 0 ------ 2.21 ------ 0.00 --
--- Shanghai ----- 4.8 ---- 1 ---- 2 ------ 2.48 ------ 0.00 --
Shu ------------- 87.8 ---- 1 ---- 3 ----- 10.78 ------ 0.00 --
Manchuria -------- 9.4 ---- 0 ---- 0 ------ 0.94 ------ 0.00 --
Mongolia --------- 1.8 ---- 0 ---- 0 ------ 0.18 ------ 0.00 --
Uyghur ----------- 3.3 ---- 0 ---- 0 ------ 0.33 ------ 0.00 --
Tibet ----------- 49.3 ---- 0 ---- 0 ------ 4.93 ------ 0.00 --
---------------------------------------------------------------
Total ---------- 403.5 ---- 7 --- 12 ----- 54.35 ------ 0.00 --

[Walter]

When I mess around with the fortified lines, I get the next...

If I take a 40km long 1880 line, I need to pay $12 and 0.25 BP.
If I take a 40km long 1895 line, I need to pay $4 and 1 BP.
If I take a 40km long 1905 line, I need to pay $4 and 1.5 BP.
If I take a 40km long 1915 line, I need to pay $4 and 2 BP.

I get the impression that something is off in the formula.

[Logi]

I think this is a question for Guinness, as the fortification rules were lifted mostly as is from N3.

[Walter]

Sorry I wasn't clear. I was referring to the spreadsheet. :-[

... at least I assume I would have to ask you since I took it from your example report...

[Walter]

Looking at it more closely, it looks like a piece of the formula refers to the wrong location. Using the Yalu line of the Japanese report, the $ cost line for building it says:

= (LOOKUP(C25, $Q$25:$Q$29, $R$25:$R$29) - IF(E11 = "y", 0, LOOKUP(LOOKUP(C25, $Q$25:$Q$29, $P$25:$P$29) - IF(C25 <> "", 1, 0), $P$25:$P$29, $R$25:$R$29))) * (B25/10) * IF(OR(D25 <> "n", E25 <> "n"), 1, 0)

It says 'E11' but I would assume that that has to be 'E25' because the Yalu line is on line 25 and not 11.

[Logi]

Doh!

[The Rock Doctor]

Is the spreadsheet required or merely recommended?

[Logi]

As in N3, merely recommended.

[The Rock Doctor]

Excellent.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Minor Powers Unfilled:
Italy
Netherlands

Countries not mentioned are probably extremely tiny (navy-wise).

So the major powers are taken,
which leads to some curiosity as to the minors and what they may "look like" for start up stats.

Italy actually managed a rather decent sized fleet.

The Dutch just never funded their military, but I've done the Netherlands already, and I wouldn't want to take them here without starting with Belgium & Luxembourg for size & industrial plant.

Spain, post colonies, still had a decent industrial base pre-civil war and is in a good place for the 'race to africa' - better than Italy, so I'd be curious about that.

Lastly, I keep wondering how Persia would play, but I'm guessing the starting economics aren't there. Just a lovely location. 

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Minor Powers Unfilled:
Italy
Netherlands

Countries not mentioned are probably extremely tiny (navy-wise).

So the major powers are taken,
which leads to some curiosity as to the minors and what they may "look like" for start up stats.

Italy actually managed a rather decent sized fleet.

The Dutch just never funded their military, but I've done the Netherlands already, and I wouldn't want to take them here without starting with Belgium & Luxembourg for size & industrial plant.

Spain, post colonies, still had a decent industrial base pre-civil war and is in a good place for the 'race to africa' - better than Italy, so I'd be curious about that.

Lastly, I keep wondering how Persia would play, but I'm guessing the starting economics aren't there. Just a lovely location.

I don't think we should really bundle the Dutch and Belgian together. Between Spain and Italy, Italy will probably start off better because we are rolling with that Spain got there butts kicked by the US and Japan and therefore has nothing large left afloat.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Just trying to get a feel for what's out there.
No worries.


Italy : For some reason just doesn't appeal. Despite my appreciating the lines of their ships.

Netherlands : I did the Dutch in Wesworld, so they lack some appeal to me. There they were oversized industrially and the challenges of securing such a large area with long supply lines were difficult enough. Belgium was one of the most industrialized nations until WWI Germany literally disassembled and shipped off big parts of it's industrial plant, so recombining (i.e. undoing the french intervention ~1838) the two nations gives one with ~1/3 the pop of a major.

Spain : While the navy would have been wiped out, starting from scratch always has some appeal. With a bigger domestic population, and average industrial base, it should be well positioned to push for Africa and "new colonies". Plus if the big boys are busy somewher, they could always make a push for Portugal and it's colonies. 

Anyhow, just wondering what the options will be when I finally get things in order here.

[Darman]

Spain : While the navy would have been wiped out, starting from scratch always has some appeal. With a bigger domestic population, and average industrial base, it should be well positioned to push for Africa and "new colonies". Plus if the big boys are busy somewher, they could always make a push for Portugal and it's colonies. 

Treaty of Windsor.