Rollcall and Other Misc. Statistics

[Walter]

BTW, looking at the map, what is that tiny grey speck between Nepal and Bhutan? The Principality of Sikkim? ;D

[Logi]

Yes :)

Side-Note: Currently accepted proposals edited into the OP.

[Logi]

Here is the latest iteration of the map:
Taiwan ........ JAP --> CHI
Philippines .. GER --> JAP
Guam .......... SPA --> USA

Japan color scheme changed to make more distinct from the orange palette of Spain, Netherlands, Chile, and Iran.
Walter... since you want no foreign influence in China, should I give back the Vladivostok etc. (Amur Region) back to China?

[Walter]

Yes :)

Good. A nation for a future player who wants something small. :D

Just hope it does not turn out to be a nation like the Duchy of Grand Fenwick and declare war on the US. Then we would be in real trouble. ;D

Japan color scheme changed to make more distinct from the orange palette of Spain, Netherlands, Chile, and Iran.

Yes. For a moment I thought the Japanese got their greedy hands on the East Indies... and then I found out they managed to get colonies in Europe and South America as well. ;D

Walter... since you want no foreign influence in China, should I give back the Vladivostok etc. (Amur Region) back to China?

You could if others have no problems with that. As that region is 'border' and not 'in' , I could live with it if others don't want it to happen (would have been different if it was surrounded on all sides by China).

Haven't heard Britain making any comments here regarding Nepal and Bhutan. Maybe we should assume that the Brits have no problem with it.  :)

[Darman]

Haven't heard Britain making any comments here regarding Nepal and Bhutan. Maybe we should assume that the Brits have no problem with it.  :)

Nope.  The Brits have many problems with those nations being subsumed into China. 

[Walter]

Name them! :)

(... and I was actually thinking the other way. Something like the Great Empire of Nepal...)

[Kaiser Kirk]

Note: After the roll-call closes, players can still join the restart attempt, however to prevent "too many cooks", I ask that they respectfully limit their involvement in the discussion of changes to the N3 rules.

After the ruleset modifications and POD discussion closes, please cease from further discussion. It is time to make a decision so we can proceed with the sim.

I'm glad I read this before commenting :)

[Darman]

Note: After the roll-call closes, players can still join the restart attempt, however to prevent "too many cooks", I ask that they respectfully limit their involvement in the discussion of changes to the N3 rules.

After the ruleset modifications and POD discussion closes, please cease from further discussion. It is time to make a decision so we can proceed with the sim.

I'm glad I read this before commenting :)

Does this mean you're interested in playing?

[Kaiser Kirk]

I do have some interest, but I have 3 months of training to get through, I certainly can't consider joining at this time. Once I get back I will evaluate my interest & available time prior to making a commitment.

However, that note means that I won't comment on nations/POD/etc but  I'll keep any comments I may have to changes in the N3 rules.

[snip]

I do have some interest

Despite your commitments, can we pencil you in somewhere? I cannot for sure say that any of the big nations will remain open, but if you have your eye on something making note cant hurt.

[Walter]

As currently indicated in the opening post, startup BP is this (with BP per turn added)

Country --- BP/turn ---- BP start
USA ------- 31 --------- 30  ------ = 0.97x turn output
ENG ------- 28 --------- 108 ------ = 3.85x turn output
GER ------- 24 --------- 36 ------- = 1.5x turn output
FRA ------- 15 --------- 54 ------- = 3.6x turn output
RUS ------- 12 --------- 36 ------- = 3x turn output
TUR -------- 9 --------- 30 ------- = 3.33x turn output
CHI ------- 12 --------- 12 ------- = 1x turn output
JAP -------- 6 --------- 18 ------- = 3x turn output

To me, startup BP is just all over the place. Why is it that the US and China only have 1 years worth of BPs to spend on a fleet and naval infrastructure while Japan and Ottomans with less BPs are allowed to spend 3 years or more worth of BPs? The difference between France and Germany also don't make sense to me.

[snip]

As currently indicated in the opening post, startup BP is this (with BP per turn added)

Country --- BP/turn ---- BP start
USA ------- 31 --------- 30  ------ = 0.97x turn output
ENG ------- 28 --------- 108 ------ = 3.85x turn output
GER ------- 24 --------- 36 ------- = 1.5x turn output
FRA ------- 15 --------- 54 ------- = 3.6x turn output
RUS ------- 12 --------- 36 ------- = 3x turn output
TUR -------- 9 --------- 30 ------- = 3.33x turn output
CHI ------- 12 --------- 12 ------- = 1x turn output
JAP -------- 6 --------- 18 ------- = 3x turn output

To me, startup BP is just all over the place. Why is it that the US and China only have 1 years worth of BPs to spend on a fleet and naval infrastructure while Japan and Ottomans with less BPs are allowed to spend 3 years or more worth of BPs? The difference between France and Germany also don't make sense to me.

I think the BP start thing got left in from before we did declared tonnage and such.

[Walter]

I thought so, but since that was there, I began to doubt it (right now it only indicates that the army is to be declared, not navy and navy infrastructure).

[snip]

I thought so, but since that was there, I began to doubt it (right now it only indicates that the army is to be declared, not navy and navy infrastructure).

We all have the tonnage quotas, that is what I was refering to.

[Logi]

The numbers were based on the historical fleet sizes of the various navies in 1900.

Only the Ottomans' number is conjectured out of thin air. The number for the ottomans is mostly so they ave a navy strong enough to balance the rest of the European powers. What you don't see is that the nations with less xBP to spend on their navy also historically spent much more on their army, like Germany and China for example.

I'm not sure about the whole same tonnage thing, given we have declared armies (which in effect cost nothing).