Buying IC and BP with starting funds

Darman · September 06, 2013, 06:12:31 AM

Quote from: KWorld on September 06, 2013, 05:44:34 AM
Quote from: Darman on September 05, 2013, 07:49:43 PM
$10 for IC and $100 for BP doesn't sound unreasonable. My question is, will we do away with the IC requirements for BP? As in, do we need a certain number of IC before we can buy a BP and then we must maintain a certain minimum ratio? Because I feel like it wouldn't be a bad thing to allow any country that wanted to over-invest in heavy industry (BP) versus more commercially viable and income-producing industries (IC). Let the country over-invest and maybe they make it work and maybe they dont, but don't artificially punish them for it, let the market decide.

As I recall, last game the cap on BP relative to IC was done away with, so I see no reason to keep it this time around. I don't recall that there is a minimum number of IC needed to support a BP, is there?

There used to be one, I didn't know if it had been done away with in the last game.

KWorld · September 06, 2013, 06:20:20 AM

Quote from: Darman on September 06, 2013, 06:12:31 AM
Quote from: KWorld on September 06, 2013, 05:44:34 AM
Quote from: Darman on September 05, 2013, 07:49:43 PM
$10 for IC and $100 for BP doesn't sound unreasonable. My question is, will we do away with the IC requirements for BP? As in, do we need a certain number of IC before we can buy a BP and then we must maintain a certain minimum ratio? Because I feel like it wouldn't be a bad thing to allow any country that wanted to over-invest in heavy industry (BP) versus more commercially viable and income-producing industries (IC). Let the country over-invest and maybe they make it work and maybe they dont, but don't artificially punish them for it, let the market decide.

As I recall, last game the cap on BP relative to IC was done away with, so I see no reason to keep it this time around. I don't recall that there is a minimum number of IC needed to support a BP, is there?
There used to be one, I didn't know if it had been done away with in the last game.

In the current rules, there was no mention of a minimum number of IC to support a BP, but there was mention that no more than 1 BP per 4 IC would be operable. That mention has been removed, so if a country wants to go heavy on the BP (perhaps figuring to trade them to others), it's an option.

Darman · September 06, 2013, 06:29:23 AM

Sounds good to me.

miketr · September 06, 2013, 07:46:39 AM

Just to be clear, the $10 for IC and $100 for BP is for setup only? Its not to be the in game cost?

Michael

KWorld · September 06, 2013, 09:03:59 AM

Quote from: miketr on September 06, 2013, 07:46:39 AM
Just to be clear, the $10 for IC and $100 for BP is for setup only? Its not to be the in game cost?

Michael

Correct, that proposed rate would ONLY be for setup purchases, not for in-game.

Walter · September 20, 2013, 09:18:13 AM

Quote from: Walter on August 20, 2013, 01:29:33 PM
So what'll we do? Stick to the 200BP? Increase the number of BPs?
What of Jef's IC to BP & BP to IC suggestion?

Haven't seen anything here yet that answers this...

KWorld · September 20, 2013, 09:40:50 AM

Quote from: Walter on September 20, 2013, 09:18:13 AM
Quote from: Walter on August 20, 2013, 01:29:33 PM
So what'll we do? Stick to the 200BP? Increase the number of BPs?
What of Jef's IC to BP & BP to IC suggestion?
Haven't seen anything here yet that answers this...

Ah, OK. I believe we'll stick with the 200BPs, and allow purchases of future IC and BP at the rates of $10 per IC and $100 per BP.

Walter · September 20, 2013, 02:30:08 PM

What of Jef's suggestion of exchanging cash for BPs and vice versa for the start-up?

KWorld · September 21, 2013, 02:57:42 AM

Quote from: Walter on September 20, 2013, 02:30:08 PM
What of Jef's suggestion of exchanging cash for BPs and vice versa for the start-up?

Thinking about it, I don't think it's a good idea when combined with the ability to buy additional IC and BP production. Example: sell off 2 BP pre-start, for $100, and buy 1 BP production.

Walter · September 21, 2013, 06:02:50 AM

It's more about Jef's idea to exchange $$$ <=> BP than his proposed figure. I agree that Jef's $50 <=> 1BP is a bit too optimistic for the reason you gave though I wasn't looking at BPs (more at forts and mini bases). Looking at the $10 IC and $100 BP cost, $10 <=> 1BP would be better, or alternatively use our start-up numbers of $1000 and 200 BP, which would give you $5 <=> BP. That way if you want to exchange BPs for cash for an additional startup BP, it would have a serious impact on your startup forces. Alternatively you could say that for every BP you exchange to $50, the prices go up or you can only do that if you have leftovers that is less than 1 BP.

BTW, are we allowed to take the leftover BPs and $$$ from the setup to the first period of play? Don't think it has been mentioned somewhere...

KWorld · September 22, 2013, 04:16:43 AM

Quote from: Walter on September 21, 2013, 06:02:50 AM
It's more about Jef's idea to exchange $$$ <=> BP than his proposed figure. I agree that Jef's $50 <=> 1BP is a bit too optimistic for the reason you gave though I wasn't looking at BPs (more at forts and mini bases). Looking at the $10 IC and $100 BP cost, $10 <=> 1BP would be better, or alternatively use our start-up numbers of $1000 and 200 BP, which would give you $5 <=> BP. That way if you want to exchange BPs for cash for an additional startup BP, it would have a serious impact on your startup forces. Alternatively you could say that for every BP you exchange to $50, the prices go up or you can only do that if you have leftovers that is less than 1 BP.

BTW, are we allowed to take the leftover BPs and $$$ from the setup to the first period of play? Don't think it has been mentioned somewhere...

No carryover from pre-start, just like last time.

I'd be fine with buying additional BP during pre-start (say at $25 per additional BP), its selling them that gets me worried.

Walter · September 22, 2013, 04:59:38 AM

QuoteNo carryover from pre-start, just like last time.

Okay, so I know I need to juggle around a bit to spend my stuff... although right now it is a mere 0.01 BP and $0.52. :)

QuoteI'd be fine with buying additional BP during pre-start (say at $25 per additional BP), its selling them that gets me worried.

Like I said, an idea to counter a player from building those extra BPs from BP converted cash is to raise the price. I kind of like the idea of raising the BP price by $49 for every BP you convert to cash. ::)

Still I already managed to get my leftover BPs and cash down to an acceptable level. I wonder if I can get both down to 0. :)

Walter · September 22, 2013, 07:19:05 AM

QuotePope Pius IX has announced that the nation that manages to spend all it startup BPs and spends the most cash without reaching $0, shall receive a reward of 50 centesimi (= $0.0000005) and the blessings from the Pope.

;D

It actually surprises me that starting with the previous leftover values (0.01 BP and $0.52), I could shift things around a bit to get it down to 0.00 BP and $0.01. :)

... maybe I should spend that on a statue of Murat in my capital. :)