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Jefgte

June 19, 2013, 06:01:15 PM
24 ships LD in 1897-1898

AT1-Lance, France-1897-98- Aviso Torpilleur - Station TB laid down 1897

Displacement:
   1 550 t light; 1 596 t standard; 1 804 t normal; 1 970 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.00 ft / 229.00 ft) x 32.15 ft x (14.29 / 15.37 ft)
   (69.80 m / 69.80 m) x 9.80 m  x (4.36 / 4.68 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.12lbs / 14.12kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.46lbs / 3.84kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 - 0.32" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      Weight of broadside 79 lbs / 36 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.513 t each, 1.025 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
      Mines
      20 - 1 102.31 lbs / 500.00 kg mines - 9.842 t total
   in Above water - Stern racks/rails

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 840 ihp / 6 595 Kw = 21.02 kts
   Range 4 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 373 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   137 - 179

Cost:
   £0.206 million / $0.823 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 30 tons, 1.7 %
      - Guns: 13 tons, 0.7 %
      - Weapons: 17 tons, 0.9 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1 054 tons, 58.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 435 tons, 24.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 253 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 1.4 %
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     601 lbs / 273 Kg = 19.5 x 4.0 " / 100 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.54
   Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 9.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.12 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.13 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  13.45 ft / 4.10 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  14.77 ft / 4.50 m,  14.77 ft / 4.50 m
      - Aft deck:   52.00 %,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.58 ft / 3.53 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 191.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 5 385 Square feet or 500 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 61 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 47 lbs/sq ft or 230 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.77
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Misc weight - 25 tons Marconi
Lance-Javelot-Epée-Francique-Bombe-Dague-Flèche-Pistolet-Mousquet-Pique-Fusil-Canon-Bombarde-Couleuvrine-Hallebarde-Rapière-Sarbacane-Sabre-Sarbacane Carabine-Catapulte-Arbalète-Glaive-Poignard
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

KWorld

#1
June 19, 2013, 06:36:16 PM
Too early for the wireless set, in 1897 once you're out of sight of shore, the captain is on his own.

Jefgte

#2
June 21, 2013, 01:32:21 AM
Your right the first use of Marconi in operations war was during Russo Jap war 1904-1905.

Little modif to do in the affectation of the misc weight.

Jef
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Jefgte

#3
June 21, 2013, 06:51:27 PM
Armored Gunboat, France Cannonière Blindée laid down 1895

Displacement:
   2 340 t light; 2 431 t standard; 2 853 t normal; 3 191 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (226.20 ft / 226.20 ft) x 39.37 ft x (17.63 / 19.39 ft)
   (68.95 m / 68.95 m) x 12.00 m  x (5.37 / 5.91 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.46lbs / 3.84kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 2 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 575 lbs / 261 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.550 t each, 1.100 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.550 t each, 1.100 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   193.57 ft / 59.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   1.77" / 45 mm     26.25 ft / 8.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     6.38 ft / 1.94 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.77" / 45 mm   193.57 ft / 59.00 m   5.90 ft / 1.80 m
     Main Belt covers 132 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.77" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   2nd:   0.99" / 25 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.95" / 100 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 506 ihp / 4 853 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 760 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   194 - 253

Cost:
   £0.259 million / $1.035 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 91 tons, 3.2 %
      - Guns: 86 tons, 3.0 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 583 tons, 20.4 %
      - Belts: 349 tons, 12.2 %
      - Armament: 37 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 180 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 1 069 tons, 37.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 577 tons, 20.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 513 tons, 18.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 648 lbs / 748 Kg = 12.3 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 11.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.647
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.04 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  14.10 ft / 4.30 m,  14.10 ft / 4.30 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.96 ft / 3.34 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 130.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 62.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 6 735 Square feet or 626 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 286 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.72
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

KWorld

#4
June 22, 2013, 04:41:48 AM
Hmmm.  I guess it's a ship for use overseas?  I'm scratching my head trying to figure out it's role.....

Jefgte

#5
June 25, 2013, 05:13:53 PM Last Edit: June 26, 2013, 03:12:56 AM by Jefgte
To be use in the next restart

T1 class, France 285t coastal TB laid down 1896

Displacement:
   285 t light; 295 t standard; 315 t normal; 331 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (188.97 ft / 188.97 ft) x 20.00 ft x (7.68 / 7.92 ft)
   (57.60 m / 57.60 m) x 6.10 m  x (2.34 / 2.41 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.47lbs / 3.84kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      1 raised mount
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 30 lbs / 13 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedo - 0.608 t total
   submerged stern tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.608 t each, 1.215 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 980 ihp / 3 715 Kw = 24.18 kts
   Range 1 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 35 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   36 - 48

Cost:
   £0.038 million / $0.153 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 10 tons, 3.1 %
      - Guns: 6 tons, 2.0 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 1.2 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 190 tons, 60.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 80 tons, 25.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 30 tons, 9.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3 tons, 1.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons
      - Above deck: 1 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     62 lbs / 28 Kg = 7.4 x 2.6 " / 65 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
   Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 11.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.387
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.75 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   22.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Aft deck:   28.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.40 ft / 2.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 200.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 27.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 2 296 Square feet or 213 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 19 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 91 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.02
      - Overall: 0.57
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

KWorld

#6
June 25, 2013, 07:27:17 PM
Trials speed?

A stern tube is a bit..... surprising, and I'd think hard to use.


Also, on the miscellaneous weight, what's it for?  Shouldn't need it for torpedoes.....


On a small TB like this, I'd be tempted to trade seakeeping for speed, certainly historically that was done.

Jefgte

#7
June 26, 2013, 03:12:40 AM
  :o  Oups...

Not stern but bow TT

Misc is for 2 bow TT reloads
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

KWorld

#8
June 26, 2013, 03:51:52 AM
Quote from: Jefgte on June 26, 2013, 03:12:40 AM
Misc is for 2 bow TT reloads

Gah, glad I'm not a crewman on those boats: being on one's going to be bad enough, let alone trying to reload a torpedo while underway.
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