New French Battleships

[Guinness]

Ah, I see. Ok.

Still probably not nearly enough wine bunker space.  :P

[Borys]

All I can find ATM about the KGV is that the MB ran from the foremost to aftmost MG turret :)
Borys

[Guinness]

Looking at a couple of line drawings and photos from the side, I think the main belt on KGV was approx 416 feet, which is about 55% of total length. I'd say that my not terribly advanced ruler on book or virtual ruler on jpg measurement system is probably +/- 5%.

[maddox]

I'm not worried, it's not af she's in the French books.  Just a design.

With 10 tons of admirals quarters designated to a granite lined wine cellar . (only 500 bottles of good wines of the era)
And 10 tons of the crew comfort to Vinogel storage.  
Vinogel is distilled wine, so it is easier to transport and after transport, just ad water to get it into an acceptable alcohol %. (the strongest vinogel I ever have seen is 35%, so 1 liter of vinogel is 3 liters of reconstituted wine)

So 10 tons of vinogel storage is 9 tons of liquid. Means 27000 liter of restored alcoholic beverage.
1850 crew members, on sea for 21 days(7000nm @ 14 kts) have a ration of .71 liter, or 1 bottle.

[Guinness]

I think this data on wine storage needs to find it's way into the ship design guidelines....

[Tanthalas]

I think this data on wine storage needs to find it's way into the ship design guidelines....

IDK it only realy aplies to the French and Italians (us less Civilised types just haul beer)

[Guinness]

The CSN is, sadly, dry.

[P3D]

AON has nothing to do with protected flotation reserve - that is an US concept. Every other navies with AON (i.e. everyone but the Germans) had much shorter citadel length. Just armor what you really need to.The G/N/O3 which took it even further, neglecting machinery protection for magazines.

[maddox]

The length of belt means that at least 65% of the flotation reserve is contained behind that belt.

218 meters total waterline length, and 124.97m belt length.

Means 57% of the waterline length is protected by the belt. Combined with the shape of the hull -in the middle rather boxy- I see a floatation capacity of the armored citadel of 65% .

In the worst case, if both ends are flooded, and the ship rides very deep in the water (Seydlitz anyone?) there are the options to lighten her. I hear the badly wounded admiral ordering the granite plates of his winecellar overboard.

[Walter]

The best way to determine the coverage needed for your vessel is to draw a picture of your ship. Only then will you know if the 88% coverage of the main belt is enough...

... and I doubt that 0.71 liters per crew member is enough for the French. :D

[maddox]

Oh, that's easely solved, the amount of alcoholic beverage on board.

First of all, it could be seen as normal consumables ,and therefore fitting into the :

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.592 tons, 13,8%

Other solution is to take on stronger vinogel, after all it is just distilled wine. Just distil it up to 70% alcohol, and double the amount of restored wine. :) 

But a bottle of wine a day, is more than enough, I'm not having ships manned with drunken bums.

[Borys]

Other solution is to take on stonger vinogel, after all it is just distilled wine. Just distil it up to 70% alcohol, and double the amount of restored wine. :) 

Why not simply give them vodka instead?
Or is that my Central/North European background speaking ... ?

Borys

[maddox]

Vodka has 1 disadvantage. If you drink a bottle of that, you're out for the job you're supposed to be doing.

A  0.7 liter  10-12% alcohol volume drink, consumed during 2 meals shouldn't impare people that are used to drinking that.

[Jefgte]

Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (25%):   17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Mid (50%):      17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Quarterdeck (18%):   17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Stern:      17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,31 ft / 5,58 m

rectilign deck with just 1 break at 25%.

I think...not a good looking hull

;)

[Borys]

French ships are ALWAYS ugly.
Borys