New French Battleships

[Jefgte]

Me too... ;)


Jef

[The Rock Doctor]

Named for a living politician?  How crass...

[Tanthalas]

No worse than Marius Naming a BB after himself in Italia ^.^ (sometimes you do things to convince the political machine to build it)

[maddox]

Somebody will have to answer for the project name.
But she's just a project on paper, signed to be build, commencing HY 01 1913, to be finished HY 01 1917

[Jefgte]

Could I suggest to name French BBs with Napoleon's victories...


Jef  ;)

[The Rock Doctor]

Has France developed triple 380 turrets?

[maddox]

At least on paper   

[Jefgte]

Rocky Doc wrote:

"Has France developed triple 380 turrets?"


As I know...no

The design of triple turret was just approved in april 1940 by Admiral Darlan for the Alsace BB project
3T3x380 - ABY - B superfiring


Jef  ;)

[ledeper]

cant stand the challenge ;D ;D
Paixhans-antidode, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1913

Displacement:
   35.707 t light; 37.868 t standard; 40.727 t normal; 43.015 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   720,91 ft / 716,86 ft x 108,27 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
   219,73 m / 218,50 m x 33,00 m  x 9,00 m

Armament:
      12 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1.674,25lbs / 759,43kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      16 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (8x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 21.746 lbs / 9.864 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   536,42 ft / 163,50 m   12,50 ft / 3,81 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   4,92" / 125 mm   536,42 ft / 163,50 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 115 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,97" / 50 mm   536,42 ft / 163,50 m   27,30 ft / 8,32 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   7,87" / 200 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 11,81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 78.428 shp / 58.507 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 7.500nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5.147 tons

Complement:
   1.433 - 1.863

Cost:
   £4,324 million / $17,295 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.718 tons, 6,7 %
   Armour: 12.858 tons, 31,6 %
      - Belts: 4.807 tons, 11,8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1.066 tons, 2,6 %
      - Armament: 3.518 tons, 8,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 3.165 tons, 7,8 %
      - Conning Tower: 301 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 3.073 tons, 7,5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 16.558 tons, 40,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.020 tons, 12,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     51.966 lbs / 23.571 Kg = 31,0 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 8,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
   Metacentric height 6,9 ft / 2,1 m
   Roll period: 17,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,73
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,622
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,62 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Mid (70 %):      21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,02 ft / 6,41 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 163,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 57.940 Square feet or 5.383 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 215 lbs/sq ft or 1.051 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,26
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

No, no, no.  The Baltic antidote should be a whole bunch of 11"-armed pre-dreadnoughts.  Then Glorious France can built a whole bunch of 12"- armed predreadnoughts, and name the whole lot after even more living politicians.

[Korpen]

I took a good look at DeCreme in the encyclopaedia, and she is not alright. The problem is similar to the one I pointed out on the design above, not enough deck space to mount the secondaries on deck.
I guess that the 5 centreline 14cm guns are on top of the turrets?

[Tanthalas]

I took a good look at DeCreme in the encyclopaedia, and she is not alright. The problem is similar to the one I pointed out on the design above, not enough deck space to mount the secondaries on deck.
I guess that the 5 centreline 14cm guns are on top of the turrets?

yes they were, and unless she changed after I drew the pic they actualy all fit (granted its tight in some places)

[Korpen]

I took a good look at DeCreme in the encyclopaedia, and she is not alright. The problem is similar to the one I pointed out on the design above, not enough deck space to mount the secondaries on deck.
I guess that the 5 centreline 14cm guns are on top of the turrets?

yes they were, and unless she changed after I drew the pic they actualy all fit (granted its tight in some places)

No picture.
But a problem with your drawings is that they lack a top view, and when looking at arcs and blast zones they are essential. From a pure side view it is easy to fit stuff, but then one start to take the training arcs from the main battery into account, it get much much harder.

[Tanthalas]

I took a good look at DeCreme in the encyclopaedia, and she is not alright. The problem is similar to the one I pointed out on the design above, not enough deck space to mount the secondaries on deck.
I guess that the 5 centreline 14cm guns are on top of the turrets?

yes they were, and unless she changed after I drew the pic they actualy all fit (granted its tight in some places)

No picture.
But a problem with your drawings is that they lack a top view, and when looking at arcs and blast zones they are essential. From a pure side view it is easy to fit stuff, but then one start to take the training arcs from the main battery into account, it get much much harder.

I know but I tend to have trouble geting the shape even close to correct on a top view, making them less than worthless ^.^ (and look like crap to boot)

[maddox]

DeCreme ain't a good BB.  
She was designed to be the biggest, heaviest armed most Glorious within the restrictions of the MN, like no superfiring.

And yes, the 140mm guns are mounted on top of the main gun turrets, in deck mounts, a very stupid thing to do, because the ammo transfer is a bitch, and gives a huge hazard.